The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

sosleepy wrote:As a Ben/Lauren fan, I hope ILY-gate and JoJo's hurt (justified hurt) don't take over the ATFR like Nick did with Andi. JoJo deserves her time, obviously. But for me personally, I'm far more interested in seeing Ben and Lauren together.

The last several seasons (not sure if it's just been going on since they went live) seem to deal more with the F2 and lead than the happy couple. They don't show the couple their proposals which I always loved watching their faces or even a montage at the end.

Hi there. I came out of the lurkdom because I have a question. First off, I love BenLo because they had me at their first date when Lauren talked about how she loves simple things and working for what you have and dad doing yard work. I thought Ben saw himself in her at that moment given his facial expression.  

Lauren seems incredibly mature because she's the first child and must have grown up taking care of her siblings while Jojo comes off very immature because she's the baby in her combined family. Just my observation as I don't claim to know these people.

Anyway, I apologize if this has been asked but I just noticed this in the screen caps of the preview.  Ben put someone in the limo from the right side, which I assume is Jojo because you can still see the sun bright and shiny in the background and also there's a screen cap that was posted that you can see something inside the car where her pink gaudy dress is somewhat visible on the side.

Then Ben put another one on the left side, which I assume is Lauren because it's already somewhat darker.  Is it possible he sent Jojo home first then realized he made a mistake then sends Lauren home and he calls Jojo to come back.  I know they've flipped videos before to mislead us.

The voice over in the preview was also spliced. I think he said two goodbyes.  The first one you hear is "I have to say goodbye to a woman who doesn't deserve it" which I think is the 2nd goodbye (possibly to Lauren).

The first one was "saying goodbye to her doesn't feel right and this is the biggest mistake I have made. I want to keep her in my life. I don't want to say goodbye because that's how much I love her" - possibly to the woman he sent home first and that is Jojo because we've seen in the preview that she may come first as it is still sunny outside.

Blindside seems to be a big reference this season and it is possible the blindside is to the public.  Ugh...I'll be so heartbroken if he sends Lauren home.

I've been flipping back and forth because through the pig date it's always been Lauren but Jojo ramped up since then. I watched the FD objectively and he did seem more detached towards Lauren.  That heartfelt ILY to Jojo in the preview really throws me off. I'm guessing that will be from the LCD.

anyway, would love your thoughts.

^^^Good quest in! they flipped the same limo in the previews so it makes it appear he said goodbye twice but I think it's just once (IMHO).

You can tell as you should be able to see his pocket square in one but you can't because it's flipped. We have the analysis around here somewhere.

^^^ because I would like JoJo to be F1 I like the summary above. I would also like for an unpredictable ending (spoilers and RS wrong).

SarahD wrote:Hi there. I came out of the lurkdom because I have a question. First off, I love BenLo because they had me at their first date when Lauren talked about how she loves simple things and working for what you have and dad doing yard work. I thought Ben saw himself in her at that moment given his facial expression.  

Lauren seems incredibly mature because she's the first child and must have grown up taking care of her siblings while Jojo comes off very immature because she's the baby in her combined family. Just my observation as I don't claim to know these people.

Anyway, I apologize if this has been asked but I just noticed  this in the screen caps of the preview.  Ben put someone in the limo from the right side, which I assume is Jojo because you can still see the sun bright and shiny in the background and also there's a screen cap that was posted that you can see something inside the car where her pink gaudy dress is somewhat visible on the side.

Then Ben put another one on the left side, which I assume is Lauren because it's already somewhat darker.  Is it possible he sent Jojo home first then realized he made a mistake then sends Lauren home and he calls Jojo to come back.  I know they've flipped videos before to mislead us.

The voice over in the preview was also spliced. I think he said two goodbyes.  The first one you hear is "I have to say goodbye to a woman who doesn't deserve it" which I think is the 2nd goodbye (possibly to Lauren).

The first one was "saying goodbye to her doesn't feel right and this is the biggest mistake I have made. I want to keep her in my life. I don't want to say goodbye because that's how much I love her" - possibly to the woman he sent home first and that is Jojo because we've seen in the preview that she may come first as it is still sunny outside.

Blindside seems to be a big reference this season and it is possible the blindside is to the public.  Ugh...I'll be so heartbroken if he sends Lauren home.

I've been flipping back and forth because through the pig date it's always been Lauren but Jojo ramped up since then. I watched the FD objectively and he did seem more detached towards Lauren.  That heartfelt ILY to Jojo in the preview really throws me off. I'm guessing that will be from the LCD.

anyway, would love your thoughts.

Thank you SarahD for your post. You have stated so eloquently what I posted earlier on. I do believe that he let's Jojo go and then realizes that he can't live without her.

^^^imho if he changes his mind that quickly after letting her go I would hope she would tell him to go take a hike. I hope she has more self respect than to let that happen. But if it does we know she takes him back as Ben has said he is happily engaged. I really think we will see a normal FRC with all screen caps pointing to JoJo arriving first and leaving in limo and Lauren arriving later. All IMHO

I like both the F2 and really hope the F2 is happy now that they are out of the bubble.

I believe he answers a question regarding a switch in an interview after the women tell and indicates that there wasn't a switch at the end....who knows though. My idea of a switch and what the show would clarify as a switch may be two different things. Just mho....

clueless wrote:I believe he answers a question regarding a switch in an interview after the women tell and indicates that there wasn't a switch at the end....who knows though.  My idea of a switch and what the show would clarify as a switch may be two different things. Just mho....

There's no "switch" if he doesn't pick Lauren and doesn't offer her the rose at FRC.
IMO.

Why would JoJo even want to take him back  then and accept a proposal? She would look so pathetic JMO

Diana wrote:Why would JoJo even want to take him back  then and accept a proposal? She would look so pathetic JMO

Right, but that would classify as a Mesnick. Jason did that with Molly and Melissa: dumped Molly, cried his eyes out, proposed to Melissa, two weeks later they started struggling, he wanted Molly back, dumped Melissa at the ATFR, and started dating Molly. He fortunately had the wits to propose off camera later! Ben's would just be collapsed into hours! For what it's worth, if any Mesnick happens, it's likely Ben crying his eyes out after he lets go of his F2.

Anything is possible with this crazy show, but at the moment, I think that it's a normal FRC.

From what I could tell there was only one goodbye at a limo due to them flipping the 2nd one as Tiggerigh said. The other thing is that they seemed to mix in two comments to make it seem like he changed his mind. I think the first part about "saying goodbye doesn't seem right" seems to be about Jojo and the "I don't want to say goodbye because that's how much I love her" is about Lauren.  Ben has said something like he picked the one he couldn't say goodbye two or something like that. Now I heard a split in what he said but others may disagree.

Didn't CH at some point recently clarify his definition of the Mesnick as the emotional, melt down, wailing over the railing in despair, not the actual switch?  I can't remember the source, does anyone here remember?