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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
Ita. He'll satisfy her bros by showing how much he cares , show them an eyeful of makeout sessions, and use the L word . He just might not choose her in the end. Hope they'll be satisfied .
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
This is great, VO. Some valid points, as always.veg_out wrote:A few weeks back, I posted about conflict resolution as the key to identifying the final one.In the past, where the contestants' conflicts intersect with the lead's determines the outcome. The lead and the F1 resolve each other's conflicts.
The show has told us that Ben's conflict is "Am I loved back?" In the past, Ben has given more to relationships than he has received. In episode 1, we also heard Ben say, "I want to find the woman that I can say “I love you” and I know that it’s true and that it’s real." This statement, IMO, might explain the gazillion "I love yous:" Ben's testing.
Jo's conflict has been "Can I let myself fall?" She's been hung up on her ex and holding back most of the season. From the cap that we see of Jo saying that she's completely fallen for Ben, it seems like she has overcome her obstacle.
Lauren's conflict has been "Can I trust Ben with my heart?" She's picky, she's a little guarded, but she's been all in really since Jamaica. I imagine that we will see rising action again with Lauren now that we have the "I love you" fiasco in place. If Ben tells Lauren on her FSD about JoJo, or on her LCD, Lauren's trust could be wobbly going into the FRC.
At this point, now, this season is Ben's story (though Jo's telling it!). If we look at the way that Ben and Lauren and Jo resolve the obstacles in their respective relationships, we might know more about the finale. JoJo and Ben have had several roadblocks all along: her ex, her concern about falling again, her brothers, etc. She and Ben do a good job of talking through their challenges. At the same time, we hear Ben tells us things that indicate that he doesn't feel particularly loved: The ex boyfriend's letter and roses trigger an old memory of feeling unwanted/rejected; the brothers make him feel unwelcome. He's uneasy right now with JoJo and a viable future.
With Lauren, he had doubts after Leah. They talked it out, a talk which he told her he needed to have. Ben comments that he feels "accepted and welcomed" with Lauren's family. When the two sets of brothers are juxtaposed, Lauren's brothers make him smirk. Conversation with her sister makes Ben emotional about his feelings for her. At this point, Lauren, IMO, is in the lead to resolve Ben's conflict. She gives him what he needs to feel loved and accepted.
The "I love yous" and the FSDs could change things immensely.
It seems BenJo have kind of the same obstacle: not having their level of love reciprocated. Could they be the answer to one another's challenge in love? We shall see.
But right now, I admit, most signs point to Lauren.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
ForeverLove wrote:Ita. He'll satisfy her bros by showing how much he cares , show them an eyeful of makeout sessions, and use the L word . He just might not choose her in the end. Hope they'll be satisfied .
Remember they know the outcome and are watching now with "jaded" eyes. I actually think it will be worse if he says "I love you," and Ben and JoJo have a major make-out session. Yikes!
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
Ben mentions not wanting to blindsided . Is it because his ex did it to him?
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“Ben offered to give up his life and move with me, but I said no,” Shaelin reveals. “I was young, and I wanted to be selfish and not have Ben tied to me. It was pretty cold turkey, and I don’t think there was any closure on his side.”
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Also why making a final decision was hard for him...
“He would still tell me he loved me; it was hard for him to let go.”
I do believe wants a forever love.
http://starmagazine.com/2015/06/30/bachelorette-exclusive-kaitlyn-bristowe-is-contestant-ben-higgins-rebound-romance/
http://www.wetpaint.com/bachelor-ben-higgins-shaelin-adams-breakup-1464673/
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“Ben offered to give up his life and move with me, but I said no,” Shaelin reveals. “I was young, and I wanted to be selfish and not have Ben tied to me. It was pretty cold turkey, and I don’t think there was any closure on his side.”
*********
Also why making a final decision was hard for him...
“He would still tell me he loved me; it was hard for him to let go.”
I do believe wants a forever love.
http://starmagazine.com/2015/06/30/bachelorette-exclusive-kaitlyn-bristowe-is-contestant-ben-higgins-rebound-romance/
http://www.wetpaint.com/bachelor-ben-higgins-shaelin-adams-breakup-1464673/
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
Since there was so much LauBen material and footage to work with this season and she was easily the early front runner and continued onwards for much of it, say Ben did have a slight change of heart that tipped the balance in JoJo's favor come FD/LCD-time , this might've been a very easy spoiler to foil. Probably not, but we will see.
I don't think the distance between Lauren & JoJo's love stories with Ben is quite as big as TPTB want us to believe.
I don't think the distance between Lauren & JoJo's love stories with Ben is quite as big as TPTB want us to believe.
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Ben's blindside: Maybe.ForeverLove wrote:Ben mentions not wanting to blindsided . Is it because his ex did it to him?
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“Ben offered to give up his life and move with me, but I said no,” Shaelin reveals. “I was young, and I wanted to be selfish and not have Ben tied to me. It was pretty cold turkey, and I don’t think there was any closure on his side.”
*********
Also why making a final decision was hard for him...
“He would still tell me he loved me; it was hard for him to let go.”
I do believe wants a forever love.
http://starmagazine.com/2015/06/30/bachelorette-exclusive-kaitlyn-bristowe-is-contestant-ben-higgins-rebound-romance/
http://www.wetpaint.com/bachelor-ben-higgins-shaelin-adams-breakup-1464673/
I don't see why JoJo, like Lauren, can't provide that "forever love' he seeks.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
agentcurls wrote:Since there was so much LauBen material and footage to work with this season and she was easily the early front runner and continued onwards for much of it, say Ben did have a slight change of heart that tipped the balance in JoJo's favor come FD/LCD-time , this might've been a very easy spoiler to foil. Probably not, but we will see.
I don't think the distance between Lauren & JoJo's love stories with Ben is quite as big as TPTB want us to believe.
Totally agree with this post. Makes for an easy job in the editing room though! They knew Ben loved both or at least was torn and told both he loved them. Their job was done for them! ;)
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
soccermom333 wrote:ForeverLove wrote:Ita. He'll satisfy her bros by showing how much he cares , show them an eyeful of makeout sessions, and use the L word . He just might not choose her in the end. Hope they'll be satisfied .
Remember they know the outcome and are watching now with "jaded" eyes. I actually think it will be worse if he says "I love you," and Ben and JoJo have a major make-out session. Yikes!
Oh to be a fly on their wall. If they had given Ben a better atmosphere to let his guard down. Who knows what would have happened. Jojo said her family's opinion means so much to her. Her bros didn't care for Ben and got a bad vibe from him, yet she's going to dive in.
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agentcurls wrote:Ben's blindside: Maybe.ForeverLove wrote:Ben mentions not wanting to blindsided . Is it because his ex did it to him?
**********
“Ben offered to give up his life and move with me, but I said no,” Shaelin reveals. “I was young, and I wanted to be selfish and not have Ben tied to me. It was pretty cold turkey, and I don’t think there was any closure on his side.”
*********
Also why making a final decision was hard for him...
“He would still tell me he loved me; it was hard for him to let go.”
I do believe wants a forever love.
http://starmagazine.com/2015/06/30/bachelorette-exclusive-kaitlyn-bristowe-is-contestant-ben-higgins-rebound-romance/
http://www.wetpaint.com/bachelor-ben-higgins-shaelin-adams-breakup-1464673/
I don't see why JoJo, like Lauren, can't provide that "forever love' he seeks.
I agree somewhat. So it'll be interesting how Ben decides.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
JoJo has been so supportive with Ben, checking in with him, nurturing him through this difficult process. And Ben has done the same at times with JoJo. She has been (edited as) his sounding board. I haven't really seen Lauren doing these things (in edit, anyway). So collectively, once he gets the ILY from both, he may take these things into consideration. Especially if he doesn't want to be "blindsided" and choose someone who might not be able to love him as much as he loves her.
But maybe his love for Lauren will over-ride all that.
But maybe his love for Lauren will over-ride all that.
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Lauren has been very supportive of Ben .. Wasn't her last question to him at her HTD .. How are you doing?? Just one example
His comment/question to JoJo a couple episodes .. I thought you would understand...
They are both pretty supportive .. Can't rule either one out
His comment/question to JoJo a couple episodes .. I thought you would understand...
They are both pretty supportive .. Can't rule either one out
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
agentcurls wrote:
This is great, VO. Some valid points, as always.
It seems BenJo have kind of the same obstacle: not having their level of love reciprocated. Could they be the answer to one another's challenge in love? We shall see.
But right now, I admit, most signs point to Lauren.
AC, I am with you on the above point and am preparing for a surprise in case it happens. If the order of FSDs was Caila, Jo, then Lauren, and if Ben saw a side to Jo on the FSD previously unknown, I'd expect a change in behavior from him with Lauren.
Early in the season, there were a few camera pans and ITMs with Jo that left me scratching my head. One in particular: During the second RC when Ben lost his family friends, Ben said that he was looking for someone to (paraphrase) lean on, someone with whom he could talk about these types of things. Jo is someone who the camera focused on. We also hear her commenting that she's concerned for him. Then we see her pull him aside in Mexico after Jubilee leaves to assure him. She has become a rock for him in many ways.
Before FSDs, I do think that the F1 is Lauren, but Jo is giving her a run for her money.
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