The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

You just watch, and you'll see that we weren't shown the first time both Caila and Jojo (including lauren) said ILU to Ben in any of the previews. Neither have we seen Ben's immediate response to both confessions. I suspect Caila will say it, next week

This is my conclusion from putting 2 and 2 together.

agentcurls wrote:

sophienette wrote:

agentcurls wrote:If BenJo's love declarations are so mechanical, why is Ben so tore up by the end? Is it all out of guilt? Maybe. But I just remember this VO "saying goodbye to her doesn't feel right". I don't think this particular VO was a frankenbite. 
Maybe he is towing the company line and putting on a good act...but as we have seen, Ben is not a convincing actor, IMO (i.e.: Kaitlyn's season)

I think he is talking about his F1 there: Lucas (I think) rearranged what he says and bottom line is:

About/to F2: Normally I wouldnt want to ever say goodbye
BUT
About F1: I love another woman MORE  and "saying goodbye to her doesn't feel right"... where as saying goodbye to F2 sucks but isnt as bad as living without F1

Ok, I get that, but some are discounting the BenJo relationship, when it may have been more difficult to let her go than expected. That's what I was pointing out.

I for one do not discount BenJo. Feelings are real . I'm just focused on who the real F1 is and why. It has to be compared in the light of others because that's what Ben ultimately did too,

agentcurls wrote:

sophienette wrote:

agentcurls wrote:If BenJo's love declarations are so mechanical, why is Ben so tore up by the end? Is it all out of guilt? Maybe. But I just remember this VO "saying goodbye to her doesn't feel right". I don't think this particular VO was a frankenbite. 
Maybe he is towing the company line and putting on a good act...but as we have seen, Ben is not a convincing actor, IMO (i.e.: Kaitlyn's season)

I think he is talking about his F1 there: Lucas (I think) rearranged what he says and bottom line is:

About/to F2: Normally I wouldnt want to ever say goodbye
BUT
About F1: I love another woman MORE  and "saying goodbye to her doesn't feel right"... where as saying goodbye to F2 sucks but isnt as bad as living without F1

Ok, I get that, but some are discounting the BenJo relationship, when it may have been more difficult to let her go than expected. That's what I was pointing out.

I for one am not discounting it, but I do not hear anything from Ben that shows me he sees Jojo as his mate. Nothing @unusual@... like "this girl is changing me" "I want her to really know me" "I feel so lucky (several times)"... As much as i think it will blindside Jojo if she is F2, if he does pick Jojo at the end, Lauren will be one of the most blindsided woman in the history of the show IMO!

We know TPTB are leaving the serious BLau (my nickname for them... his dad calls him B ;) )convo on the floor to avoid making their relationship even more obvious than it is, and pushing the BenJo relationship to the front, so if he had said anything like that about/to Jojo, they would 100% have showed it IMO

The way they could have JoJo as the next lead is IMO if the bette announcement is postponed.

IMO Ben is not a hard guy to read, and he's been over everyone but JoJo and Lauren for a while. He just has had to keep them around. He's liked them as people but there's been no real spark. When I see how he acts with JoJo and Lauren, IMO it's clear there's more feeling and spark with Lauren. JMHO. TPBP can throw curve balls and edits, but imo it just simply boils down to him having more feelings for Lauren.

When is the AFTR filmed? Do spoilers get leaked after it usually?

Fingersandtoes wrote:The way they could have JoJo as the next lead is IMO if the bette announcement is postponed.

IMO Ben is not a hard guy to read, and he's been over everyone but JoJo and Lauren for a while. He just has had to keep them around. He's liked them as people but there's been no real spark. When I see how he acts with JoJo and Lauren, IMO it's clear there's more feeling and spark with Lauren. JMHO. TPBP can throw curve balls and edits, but imo it just simply boils down to him having more feelings for Lauren.

When is the AFTR filmed? Do spoilers get leaked after it usually?

or if the breakup is mutual... i.e. Jojo shows up in Limo but not in a FRC dress... she knows something isnt right and they part "amicably"...

Last few seasons, ATFR is live...

sophienette wrote:

agentcurls wrote:I'm still confused by this:
If JoJo is being seriously considered for the Ette role, I don't know that she could be F2 going by MF's consistent pattern. 
But I  also can't wrap my head around Ben being so torn about sending Caila home at F2. 
So, if JoJo is F2 then Caila (or Amanda or Becca) could get the Ette role. 
OR, Lauren is the real F2 & that's why he is so distraught by the end 
(I admit it's probably NOT the case, but yet...it's still not impossible, a'la puppet-master MF).

For every other foilers, there were hints pointing to the truth... Some we (I) discredited/ignored (Des/Chris) and some which were impossible to ignore (Brad/Emily). So far we havent seen anything that could point us to Lauren not being F1, or to Jojo or Caila being it. But we keep looking until the very end!

Great explanation .

Ok, Ben and F1 (whoever you are ) if your reading here.

We, or at least me, aren't asking for much, just a few bread crumbs to connect.  For example: SHV pic out by the pool or grilling, etc.,  or maybe a pic of a gift (jewlery, etc.) y'all gave each other during filming being caught on or in the possession of one you you in public now.  

Just something new to look at and sleuth until we get the final previews from WTA/HTD.  Please? That's not asking too much is it?  

Ladybug82 wrote:Ok, Ben and F1 (whoever you are ) if your reading here.

We, or at least me, aren't asking for much, just a few bread crumbs to connect.  For example: SHV pic out by the pool or grilling, etc.,  or maybe a pic of a gift (jewlery, etc.) y'all gave each other during filming being caught on or in the possession of one you you in public now.  

Just something new to look at and sleuth until we get the final previews from WTA/HTD.  Please? That's not asking too much is it?  

Remove gift/jewelry because Becca. They can do everything else.

julychild wrote:Remove gift/jewelry because Becca. They can do everything else.

how did I forget that!  Agreed!  Any other form of clues y'all want to give us, would be much appreciated!  

A pizza post by Lauren for example... ;)

sophienette wrote:A pizza post by Lauren for example... ;)

Lauren posts a lot of food pics and their HTD is centered around food. Is that's hint?

Lauren's piggy onesies?

Rdjbb wrote:I'm gonna throw something out there....  Could he have said I do love you to Amanda????  Look at his shirt on the beach with Amanda.  Is it the same as the one from the spoiler????

Yes same shirt. He did kiss her goodbye when he left in the evening. I'm not thinking the 2nd ily is Jojo. He says he loves 2 women like every other Lead about their F2. But the actual expressing to their face might not be Jojo imo. It's just another Flessian twist. Two obvious to make the finale promo showing two ILY's and refer it to F2. I just feel one is like a goodbye or validation statement, and not a romantic expression .