Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #6

GuardianAngel wrote:

sdmom wrote:So, if that speculation was true, why did she sleep with Nick in Utah and tell him ily according to US? Because TPTB made her? Please not the same excuse! I feel that she was just using Nick if she did intend to pick Ben for f2

TY, this is my whole point. Whatever justifications we can think of, it still doesn't answer my question. Why did she have sex apparently multiple times, and after she told the F1 he was the one. Yes, if she intended Nick to be F3 all along, then she clearly used him. If the relationship went sideways after Dublin, then she used him, because she apparently went back for more.

jojo47 wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:If the relationship went backwards and she had sex with Nick, apparently more than once with the last time being in the FS when she knew Shawn was the F1, because?

ETA: I just realized the answer is, because after the FS with Nick, she realized she was in love with Shawn.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic here GA, but I'm going to piggyback your post on a serious note, even if you're not serious.  

The RC after the FD's was interesting to me. Kaitlyn is really fretting before she gives out the first rose, so much so that she has to leave to regroup. Of course, her hero CH jumps in for the rescue to supposedly calm her down.

At first I thought Kaitlyn was nervous & upset because she's letting Ben go. But when Kaitlyn goes back to the RC she's still struggling a bit & that first rose goes to Nick. She doesn't appear to struggle as much with the second rose and that's the rose not going to Ben. That's the rose she should've have so much trouble giving out, but it wasn't!

She barely shed a tear saying good bye to Ben (in contrast to Jared), and while I think she was fond of Ben, those two weren't in love. It wasn't as difficult to say good bye to Ben out on the bench afterwards as she made it appear before the RC.

This may not be a popular thing to say here, but I think Kaitlyn may have wanted to let Nick go at that RC, wasn't allowed to & CH was sent in to make sure she gave Nick that first rose & let Ben go. His words to her were "You know what you have to do."

GuardianAngel wrote:

sdmom wrote:So, if that speculation was true, why did she sleep with Nick in Utah and tell him ily according to US? Because TPTB made her? Please not the same excuse! I feel that she was just using Nick if she did intend to pick Ben for f2

TY, this is my whole point. Whatever justifications we can think of, it still doesn't answer my question. Why did she have sex apparently multiple times, and after she told the F1 he was the one. Yes, if she intended Nick to be F3 all along, then she clearly used him. If the relationship went sideways after Dublin, then she used him, because she apparently went back for more.

“He and Kaitlyn had sex more than people knew,” the insider said, adding that they even had sex when Viall’s mother and young siblings were visiting in Utah!

mindless wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

sdmom wrote:So, if that speculation was true, why did she sleep with Nick in Utah and tell him ily according to US? Because TPTB made her? Please not the same excuse! I feel that she was just using Nick if she did intend to pick Ben for f2

TY, this is my whole point. Whatever justifications we can think of, it still doesn't answer my question. Why did she have sex apparently multiple times, and after she told the F1 he was the one. Yes, if she intended Nick to be F3 all along, then she clearly used him. If the relationship went sideways after Dublin, then she used him, because she apparently went back for more.

Exactly. Any excuse other than "Kaitlyn was in love with both men" makes her a pretty awful person in my eyes. Yeah, she probably did view it as her last chance for "casual" sex and a roll in the sheets with someone not named Shawn, but that doesn't make it OK in my book, not when the other person was in love with her. If she was a man, we wouldn't even hesitate to call her a user, but since she's a cute little female it's her choice, barely a "bump in the road". Ugh.  

chasingpavements wrote:Maybe I'm just cynical but...Shawn and Kaitlyn went on 3-4 supervised dates (and a group date with Ben) before filming ended. They weren't in love; they were in lust. That's true for all couples on this show. If you were truly, truly in love, it would never even cross your mind to sleep with two other men a few weeks before your engagement. They (almost) all do, so I think it's just proof that they are all just living in the moment and having fun. I don't think it really matters if Nick/Kaitlyn had sex again in UT or "just" had sex in Cork. Does it really matter how many beds they did it on? If Kaitlyn was truly in love with Shawn, the thought of sleeping with another man even once would have disgusted her.