Kaitlyn Bristowe - Shawn Booth - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion

chasingpavements wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:I am so sorry, but Shawn went on the same show as everyone else.  You gave Nick no slack last season for being a show rookie, so I find that excuse laughable.  He is where many others have been.  He is reacting poorly, that is all on him, no one else.  I am willing to admit that he is not just what I am seeing on my screen, but I always fall back to what Tiffany from the first Real World said, they can only use what you give them. Shawn acted this way on multiple occasions.  He acted this way because of Jared, but mostly Nick. He told Kaitlyn she wasn't being smart.  Those are all his actions and his words.  

Sorry, but I have lost patience for the excuses made for Shawn that have not been made for others in the past.  If I saw the same patience and excuses for all it would not bug me, but that is not what happens.

In the end what I think doesn't matter.  Kaitlyn and Shawn will either make it or not. I find them both very immature, especially given their age.  So if they survived, great, but much like the past two couples from this show, I won't be shocked if they fail.

ETA, Bean, he went on the same show that others have gone on for eleven seasons now.  So nope, sorry, it is on Shawn to own up to his own behavior.  I don't think he is going to beat Kaitlyn.  I do think he has control issues, and a large jealous streak.  He is possessive.  Kaitlyn likes it so good for them, but it doesn't change that it is what his actions are.  Now if you want to tell me he has TBI from the car accident, okay, that is an excuse to me.  Not he didn't know how hard this show would be.  We have never let that excuse work for a woman who acts like Shawn does, so nope it doesn't work for him either.  JMO.

Yeah, I agree. I just think that if you're going to excuse everyone's actions just because of producer manipulation and editing, there literally can't be anyone on reality TV we hate. That's saying that Bentley, Wes, Tierra, Kalon, Courtney, etc. were all wonderful, delightful people that were simply victims of the evil producers. The truth is that producers know what makes certain contestants tick and they know what personality traits are hidden underneath and how to get the worst ones to come out at the worst time. Shawn IS immature, hot-headed, jealous, possessive, and hypocritical. He probably also has many, many wonderful traits that most people see on a regular basis (and we're not), but that doesn't take away that his words and actions were his own.

stuckinsc wrote:

Maggenzm wrote:

Ariela wrote:Don't forget the first Shawn drunken freakout. It was not about Nick at all, it was about Jared and a GDR. So nope that pass is not completely accurate. Also it seems that he kind of "peed" on her early so the other guys would back off. When Jared didn't back off enough he did get mad and possessive and so nicely talked about her banging other guys. Really classy of him.
stuckinsc
I don't think that Shawn is dangerous, but I think he is possessive. But I also think that Kaitlyn likes that. As Alanna has pointed out, I think that his possessiveness makes Kaitlyn feel loved. To me it is a huge red flag that these two could be in for a rocky road, as they both seem pretty immature to me. But I do think he is the best match for her, so good luck to them. I am over this season. Watching her cry and Shawn throw hissy fits is exhausting and not fun at all. They deserve each other IMO.
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IMO, Shawn's hissy fit when Jared got the rose was not about jealousy per se. S was confused, and upset. He wanted TO CRY, not beat anybody up.

After K slept with Nick she started ignoring S. She was going hot and cold because she didn't know how to act. SHAWN COULD FEEL THAT.....Anyone who has been cheated on knows when something is wrong. It's a GUT feeling, no matter how hard the cheater tries to hide it. Cheaters do one of two things, they start giving excuses why they aren't around, or some are overly nice so you do not pick up on their infidelity.

Shawn needed super validation, not a cold shoulder. Because he felt that he was losing her since Nick came onto the horizon, he was watching every move  she made. Don't forget, her actions did not match her words.

Thank you Ariela!! IMHO, being told by Kait that he was "the one" made it more difficult for him. So, I give him a pass. Being told again she slept with Nick also drove him crazy, so I give him another pass. Shawn is very logical, so when things don't add up in his mind, he goes to the person that will give him the answer,  I LOVE THAT ABOUT HIM. SO, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERN, HE IS THE "BEST" AND THE BEST MATCH FOR KAITLYN.  #KAITBOO

Roberto was also told very early he was the one, Ali has admitted to telling him on their first 1:1.  Somehow Roberto got through the season without acting out like Shawn.  So nope again, no pass for Shawn.  I do think he and Kaitlyn are a good fit, but he is not going through anything any other contestants have not faced and handled much better than Shawn is.

Kaitlyn loves the hot headed behavior, so good for them.  I don't like that about Shawn, I personally appreciate having a husband who trusts me and whom I can trust.  JMO.

Maggenzm wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Maggenzm wrote:

Thank you Ariela!! IMHO, being told by Kait that he was "the one" made it more difficult for him. So, I give him a pass. Being told again she slept with Nick also drove him crazy, so I give him another pass. Shawn is very logical, so when things don't add up in his mind, he goes to the person that will give him the answer,  I LOVE THAT ABOUT HIM. SO, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERN, HE IS THE "BEST" AND THE BEST MATCH FOR KAITLYN.  #KAITBOO

Roberto was also told very early he was the one, Ali has admitted to telling him on their first 1:1.  Somehow Roberto got through the season without acting out like Shawn.  So nope again, no pass for Shawn.  I do think he and Kaitlyn are a good fit, but he is not going through anything any other contestants have not faced and handled much better than Shawn is.

Kaitlyn loves the hot headed behavior, so good for them.  I don't like that about Shawn, I personally appreciate having a husband who trusts me and whom I can trust.  JMO.

Well, he gets a pass from me until I see otherwise, that's my opinion and I sticking to it.

Bet2Win wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:Well again she banged the dude(s) after saying he was the one.  I guess two wrongs or rights however you look at it.

The term itself is disrespectful to all involved imo, including himself if that's the way he views having sex with someone.

peggy0221 wrote:I don't know if this is OT, but I think, some parts of the viewers rooting for Shawn maybe because they hate Nick to death? So they hope there is an Alpha to put Nick down?  

chasingpavements wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:I don't know if this is OT, but I think, some parts of the viewers rooting for Shawn maybe because they hate Nick to death? So they hope there is an Alpha to put Nick down?  

I think that has a lot to do with it. If Shawn's main competition was, say, Ben or Jared, would people be as cool with Shawn calling one of them the "other guy", calling them master manipulators and full of sh*t without even a conversation, saying things like "If she picks him, I wouldn't want her anyway", etc.?

Bet2Win wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:Well again she banged the dude(s) after saying he was the one.  I guess two wrongs or rights however you look at it.

The term itself is disrespectful to all involved imo, including himself if that's the way he views having sex with someone.

albean99 wrote:I just don't get the animosity for Shawn. He doesn't bother me and I don't see the violent temper, etc that others do. I certainly stuck up for Nick last season but now have more of a feel for why people are bothered by him. People have the right to dislike either guy but I just don't have the energy or inclination to feel strongly about either one, good or bad. All I care about is being entertained and hopefully a happy ending. I actually like K/S together. Now to get through the drama. :Nod:

JMHO