Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

ironcat wrote:Haven't we heard that the producers/handlers are MASTERS in the devious art of psychological manipulation?  I don't believe they ham-handedly threaten anybody to do anything, but rather, suggest, coerce, needle, bribe and whatnot, so by the end of it, the "victim" probably thinks it was really their only option, and sometimes even their own idea!  And on top of this, we have the whole "Stockholm Syndrome" thing going on, so they actually trust and rely on production and believe they are looking out for their best interests.

If Kaitlyn really did allow Nick to propose and then rejected him, I'm sure she was also given some BS reason why doing this would be good for Nick (who also may have been coerced into proposing when he really wasn't ready).  And after the fact, if they truly had been good friends previously, I could see her feeling bad, realizing how much she hurt him, and reaching out to him privately without the producers' knowledge/consent and explaining how she had been misled, resulting in them patching up their friendship.  That would explain why he is now so supportive of her on SM, because they realize they were BOTH victims of the big bad producers.

fabgirl wrote:I have been a long time fan of Nick and it is so sad that he is being portrayed in a negative light. I for some reason feel like he may be a smokescreen to shawn and kaitlyn relationship. Not sure yet were the edit will go.No denying their chemistry is off the charts thus far, is it love or lust is the question they are asking from bachelor perspective. I hope he gets his happy ending at least he pursued his look for love with kaitlyn and followed his heart.Nick seems to be a very kind and passionate person with strong attributes for any woman to desire. Kaitlyn will have a hard decision until the end and may be overwhelming for her at the final rose. I like kaitlyn when she is with nick being herself.Shawn's edit reminds me of JP, so it makes it hard to decide who will be f1. Wishing nick the best.With the editing of Nick right now and blogs overconfident CH comments game over, makes me think nick will be f2. Things may change throught as the episodes are shown. LOVE THEM TOGETHER.

Lucas15 wrote:

ironcat wrote:Haven't we heard that the producers/handlers are MASTERS in the devious art of psychological manipulation?  I don't believe they ham-handedly threaten anybody to do anything, but rather, suggest, coerce, needle, bribe and whatnot, so by the end of it, the "victim" probably thinks it was really their only option, and sometimes even their own idea!  And on top of this, we have the whole "Stockholm Syndrome" thing going on, so they actually trust and rely on production and believe they are looking out for their best interests.

If Kaitlyn really did allow Nick to propose and then rejected him, I'm sure she was also given some BS reason why doing this would be good for Nick (who also may have been coerced into proposing when he really wasn't ready).  And after the fact, if they truly had been good friends previously, I could see her feeling bad, realizing how much she hurt him, and reaching out to him privately without the producers' knowledge/consent and explaining how she had been misled, resulting in them patching up their friendship.  That would explain why he is now so supportive of her on SM, because they realize they were BOTH victims of the big bad producers.

I would agree with nearly 100% of all you've posted with one tiny exception - which is that they have also threatened - probably as a last resort - when suggestion and other less drastic methods haven't worked. I always approach the subject of producer manipulation with the mindset that there's almost nothing that they won't do, though physical torture is probably off the table.

ETA: Docnash14 I just read a synopsis of the Stanley Milgram experiment and concluded that I may have been wrong - physical torture may not be off the table (just kidding). It's a chilling experiment with chilling results to say the least.

sdmom wrote:Head to media thread! K is caught in bed with Shawn on snapchat. 
Game over.
I don't think I want to watch it anymore. Well, at least he can move on.