Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

CH is a well paid puppet who does what he is told to stir up interest and ratings. I rarely give any weight to what he says as a clue to ending because that's not the goal of his blogs\interviews. In this case- the character assassination of Nick- I am tempted to give his comments some weight but as pointing in the opposite direction. He's in overdrive painting Nick as the villain, stirring up interest, hinting that we're going to see Nick implode and another ATFR debacle. Makes me think it is possible that he's laying the groundwork for a shocker- we'll be led to believe Nick is a trouble making villain who K won't choose, will create all kinds of controversy at ATFR, then boom, the shocker, K does choose Nick as F1 and Nick appears at ATFR as happy F1.Hope what I am trying to say makes sense

This is going down just like Ali's season. According to RS, Chris L proposed to Ali and she rejected him. RS didn't know what happened with Roberto but Ali was single.

Ali let Chris go earlier. Roberto proposed to Ali and they lived happily for 1 1/2 yrs?  

The bolded was not true per Chris Lambton.  He was the one who wants out, but producers do not want Roberto to appear to be the hobson's choice.    

I cannot forget this kind of manipulation. What will stop them from asking Shawn Booth to propose (in exchange for the Bachelor gig, even if he really wants out)

 Something is up, if K didn't choose Nick when obviously he was the only choice.[/quote]

The fact that Shawn quit his job to do the show suggests to me he was told from the beginning he would be groomed\edited to be next Bach and to let himself get dragged to F2 as the price to be next Bach, no matter what happened along the way. He seemed to me to checkout when K said Nick might join. Now he gets 1 on 1 on next epi to build on love at first sight connection and get his relationship with K back on track.

IMO, the rest of the season will be building the Shawn vs. Nick competition with the rest of the guys being basically uncredited crowd shot extras in the Bachelorette movie.

That's very possible (2observe and KB)

I'm just going through possible scenarios of why K will not accept or reject Nick's proposal because right now,  I do not see any reason why she should turn him down.

Nick is not the top choice, he is the only choice.   People become very very close when they're texting everyday/frequently. There was already an emotional connection even before they've seen each other.   Plus, I already joined the pool in the office that Nick was the F1.  Maybe we should clarify F1 doesn't mean engaged?

charriotoffire wrote:

This is going down just like Ali's season. According to RS, Chris L proposed to Ali and she rejected him. RS didn't know what happened with Roberto but Ali was single.

Ali let Chris go earlier. Roberto proposed to Ali and they lived happily for 1 1/2 yrs?  

The bolded was not true per Chris Lambton.  He was the one who wants out, but producers do not want Roberto to appear to be the hobson's choice.    

I cannot forget this kind of manipulation.  What will stop them from asking Shawn Booth to propose (in exchange for the Bachelor gig, even if he really wants out)

 Something is up, if K didn't choose Nick when obviously he was the only choice.

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That is true, but Ali didn't know that. She never knew about the letter or the fact that he wanted out. I'm sure it was super obvious to both of them that it was just a friendship, but she did still let him go. It's different than Deanna/Graham, I think, where both knew that Graham was leaving on his own and it was just staged to appear like he was dumped.

I think it's going to be a lot more complicated than simply turning both Nick and Shawn down at the end. Maybe she says no to Nick first and then has second thoughts or strong enough feelings for him still that she can't say yes to Shawn either. Maybe the proposal was too much after too short of a time and spooked her. I do have a hard time buying that with all their chemistry and the friendship stuff they seem to have underlying it, that would just be the end for them.

emusha wrote:

Nick V Arrives on The Bachelorette
Nick V -- from Andi Dorfman's season of The Bachelorette -- shows up in New York at the rap battle date. It turns out he and Kaitlyn Bristowe had been chatting over social media and text messages, and their chats were cut short when she left to be The Bachelorette. Nick wants a chance to compete for her heart on this season...will Kaitlyn let him? From Week 4 of the 2015 season of The Bachelorette.

Kaitlyn Asks Nick V to Stay on The Bachelorette
Bachelorette Kaitlyn Bristowe meets Nick V -- who was on Andi Dorfman's season of The Bachelorette -- to talk about his recent arrival in New York City. She tells him the news: She wants him to stay. Kaitlyn feels they've got chemistry, and she wants to see where that goes. They already seem to be kissing a lot, so they're doing their best to make up for lost time. From Week 4 of the 2015 season of The Bachelorette.

These are write ups to describe videos of N & K on the abc site. I am more and more convinced that his edit has softened significantly from last season. for what purpose? we'll yet see ...
they could have put a lot of thoughts in our heads about his intentions, how she's hurting the guys, how she's going on lust only etc. in these write ups and instead they're talking about "the one" "chance to compete for her heart" "lots of kissing to make up for lost time" etc.

sorry to quote myself but gathering evidence for a shifting edit for Nick haven't read anything from tbtb outside of CH that's throwing nick under the bus when they have the material to do so

All tweets from @bacheloretteABC twitter account
1 hour ago
.@kaitlynbristowe opens up about her relationship with Nick & why she let him join the show in her @people blog

retweeted:
@bradytoops Jun 8
Nick, you got a lot of courage doing that.. walking into a mine field. #TheBachelorette

‏@fleissmeister Jun 8
Always follow your heart, #BachelorNation

@BacheloretteABC Jun 8
We do not envy Nick right now. Imagine the sheer amount of stink eye he's going to receive. #TheBachelorette

@BacheloretteABC Jun 8
Here's to following your heart! ❤️ #TheBachelorette


‏@BacheloretteABC Jun 8
The guys aren't happy about it, but Nick and Kaitlyn look pretty cozy together. #TheBachelorette

There's a spark between Nick & Kaitlyn, but the guys aren't too happy about it. Take a peek at #TheBachelorette:

will be interesting to keep track of this "edit" as it evolves -- CH has questioned Nick's intentions and called him smug and alluded to him being a seducer

elyn wrote:I think it's going to be a lot more complicated than simply turning both Nick and Shawn down at the end. Maybe she says no to Nick first and then has second thoughts or strong enough feelings for him still that she can't say yes to Shawn either. Maybe the proposal was too much after too short of a time and spooked her. I do have a hard time buying that with all their chemistry and the friendship stuff they seem to have underlying it, that would just be the end for them.

I agree. She said "this is the closest I've felt to love at first sight" about Shawn and "I've never felt that type of chemistry after 2 seconds of meeting someone" about Nick. I know the Bachelor Bubble and editing are both very powerful, but I just don't see her walking away from both possibilities completely. Unless something dramatic goes down those final days, I feel like we're in for another surprise ending.

She said her heart skip a beat when she saw Nick, that is why I am saying how comes she did not choose him. I know someone whose heart skip a beat and sweaty palms now married to that person

I think it's kind of hilarious that we all read the spoilers and then hope that they are wrong so we are excited and have a "surprise ending." What's wrong with us?

Cecilia wrote:I think it's kind of hilarious that we all read the spoilers and then hope that they are wrong so we are excited and have a "surprise ending."  What's wrong with us?

Speaking only for myself, how long do you have for an answer to that question?

When RS said he would release spoilers on Monday, I was wishing the weekend would go faster so it would be Monday. Knowing he doesn't usually post until about 1pm EST, I nonetheless got on his site at 10 am and obsessively refreshed until he finally posted.Skipped all his usual introductory bs and went straight to F4... and felt immediately deflated. Have been avidly following the board since for any and all clues that he's wrong.

I do sometimes question my sanity ... so glad I am not alone in anticipating RS spoilers,then wanting them to be wrong.

Thanks Emusha for tweet roundup;

"All tweets from @bacheloretteABC twitter account
1 hour ago
.@kaitlynbristowe opens up about her relationship with Nick & why she let him join the show in her @people blog

retweeted:
@bradytoops Jun 8
Nick, you got a lot of courage doing that.. walking into a mine field. #TheBachelorette

‏@fleissmeister Jun 8
Always follow your heart, #BachelorNation

@BacheloretteABC Jun 8
We do not envy Nick right now. Imagine the sheer amount of stink eye he's going to receive. #TheBachelorette

@BacheloretteABC Jun 8
Here's to following your heart! ❤️ #TheBachelorette

So Nick followed his heart to go back to win Kaitlyn and Kaitlyn followed her heart to let him on show. Fleiss says always follow your heart they did but didn't end up together, Can't believe it till the fat lady sings!!!!!!!!!