Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Discussion

Titou wrote:

bilolo wrote:i need some help english is not my first langage guys
what i want to say is sometimes here we take into the sleuthing elements what CH says or said and now you are telling me that we can't take that into account because he's a company man ?

i just made a deduction by the informations i get from CH and Ashley which are "i know from home town date who the final one was" and "JP is final one by CH at that moment" maybe it's not pertinent but that's how i take it

this is so funny

hello bilodo

it is difficult to be sure because CH is the master of playing with words in his blogs. He always play to say the truth mixed with lies. This is his job (thank G his pay is justified somehow) to send different message so the audience kept interested to watch the episodes.

However, some recent interviews made by Ashley are way more interesting because it seems that 2 weeks before the finale, the leads tend to forget to hide anything as well as they must. So yes, we can assume that at the hometown dates, she knew her F1

Sometimes I don't think Chris Harrison realizes how transparent he is. Like I didn't know what he was really asking in his blog when he wanted to know what his readers thought of Ben. Please, Chris. You totally gave it away there.

with the three guys she has left, things aren't quite as smooth. By the end of next week, the order of who's on top will change.

This statement, which of course is meant to make us believe that Ben goes ahead of JP could also mean (since CH is talking about all 3) that because of what Constantine does, Ben goes "on top". Prior to the FD, JP and Constantine were "on top", now JP and Ben are "on top".
After the htd I definitely got the impression that Constantine was her 2nd choice. My unspoiled friend actually was surprised that Ben did not go home last week. Just a thought.

I really don't think CH would give away the ending with a week or so to go.... Much as I wish the "ranking" would stay the same all the way to the end, if JP "slips" a bit now, he's likely to reclaim his position in the final epi, jmho.

One things that seems to be clear to me.... Ben was pretty darned well-liked by TPTB....

bluwavz wrote:

Titou wrote:

bilolo wrote:i need some help english is not my first langage guys
what i want to say is sometimes here we take into the sleuthing elements what CH says or said and now you are telling me that we can't take that into account because he's a company man ?

i just made a deduction by the informations i get from CH and Ashley which are "i know from home town date who the final one was" and "JP is final one by CH at that moment" maybe it's not pertinent but that's how i take it

this is so funny

hello bilodo

it is difficult to be sure because CH is the master of playing with words in his blogs. He always play to say the truth mixed with lies. This is his job (thank G his pay is justified somehow) to send different message so the audience kept interested to watch the episodes.

However, some recent interviews made by Ashley are way more interesting because it seems that 2 weeks before the finale, the leads tend to forget to hide anything as well as they must. So yes, we can assume that at the hometown dates, she knew her F1

Sometimes I don't think Chris Harrison realizes how transparent he is. Like I didn't know what he was really asking in his blog when he wanted to know what his readers thought of Ben. Please, Chris. You totally gave it away there.

I think CH does know exactly what he's saying. There's nothing he puts in that blog that doesn't fit what they're going for. So why does he want Ben to be thought of as a potential Bachelor? Because he is or because they want to hide him as f1? Ditto with the JP trouble coming up. To cast doubt on JP because he is f1 or to show why she doesn't pick him if he's f2? I do think other things are pointing more to JP but not what CH is saying.

Welcome Tnmom!
We were posting at the same time.... Hmmm, I know Ash reacted well at Dino's HTD.... but he seems even further behind Ben in the physical component, which makes it hard for me to imagine he was F2. But you might be right....

oh gosh we are not on the same page
some take what CH says as a clue others not

alsoaktchr wrote:Welcome Tnmom!
We were posting at the same time.... Hmmm, I know Ash reacted well at Dino's HTD.... but he seems even further behind Ben in the physical component, which makes it hard for me to imagine he was F2. But you might be right....

i agree with you here i don't see Constantine as final 2 but who knows because there's someone here who think JP was final 3

albean99 wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

Titou wrote:

bilolo wrote:i need some help english is not my first langage guys
what i want to say is sometimes here we take into the sleuthing elements what CH says or said and now you are telling me that we can't take that into account because he's a company man ?

i just made a deduction by the informations i get from CH and Ashley which are "i know from home town date who the final one was" and "JP is final one by CH at that moment" maybe it's not pertinent but that's how i take it

this is so funny

hello bilodo

it is difficult to be sure because CH is the master of playing with words in his blogs. He always play to say the truth mixed with lies. This is his job (thank G his pay is justified somehow) to send different message so the audience kept interested to watch the episodes.

However, some recent interviews made by Ashley are way more interesting because it seems that 2 weeks before the finale, the leads tend to forget to hide anything as well as they must. So yes, we can assume that at the hometown dates, she knew her F1

Sometimes I don't think Chris Harrison realizes how transparent he is. Like I didn't know what he was really asking in his blog when he wanted to know what his readers thought of Ben. Please, Chris. You totally gave it away there.

I think CH does know exactly what he's saying. There's nothing he puts in that blog that doesn't fit what they're going for. So why does he want Ben to be thought of as a potential Bachelor? Because he is or because they want to hide him as f1? Ditto with the JP trouble coming up. To cast doubt on JP because he is f1 or to show why she doesn't pick him if he's f2? I do think other things are pointing more to JP but not what CH is saying.

At the time I read it, I felt he was asking everyone if they wanted Ben as the next Bachelor without actually coming out and asking it. If he's just saying that to throw everyone off, then he's doing a really good job at it because I almost completely gave up when I read that. One thing that makes me think he may just be throwing everyone off is that at first he said Ben was the dark horse and then he changed it to Constantine not too shortly after. I really don't know why he would just change it like that. I'm not as hopeful as some of the other Ben fans on here, but there is still a little sliver left in me. I'll keep an open mind for tonight's episode.

Welcome tnmomof4!

:heyyall:

bilolo wrote:

alsoaktchr wrote:Welcome Tnmom!
We were posting at the same time.... Hmmm, I know Ash reacted well at Dino's HTD.... but he seems even further behind Ben in the physical component, which makes it hard for me to imagine he was F2. But you might be right....

i agree with you here i don't see Constantine as final 2 but who knows because there's someone here who think JP was final 3

The only reason I can see that Ashley would ever consider taking Constantine to the F2 is to make it easier on herself and the guy she likes better and doesn't want to hurt further. There is no way Ashley liked Constantine better than JP or Ben. She didn't even kiss him until before HTD's and I think most of her attraction to him was physical. Even if Constantine hadn't left and even if she wanted to take him to F2, I doubt she would've been allowed. No one would believe he had a chance. He was done at F3.

alsoaktchr wrote:I really don't think CH would give away the ending with a week or so to go.... Much as I wish the "ranking" would stay the same all the way to the end, if JP "slips" a bit now, he's likely to reclaim his position in the final epi, jmho.

One things that seems to be clear to me.... Ben was pretty darned well-liked by TPTB....

Could be, but I'm still waiting, for me personally, on the "you will all fall in love with Ben", but I'm a patient gal and time's running down!

alsoaktchr wrote:Welcome Tnmom!
We were posting at the same time.... Hmmm, I know Ash reacted well at Dino's HTD.... but he seems even further behind Ben in the physical component, which makes it hard for me to imagine he was F2. But you might be right....

True, I never saw him as F2 either, but I don't know how much of that was because I was "spoiled" and how much of it was due to the fact that he just wasn't into Ashley. I did see Ashley being into him though. HTD, to me, showed more of a deep friendship connection with Ben. She seemed a tad more "giddy" around Constantine. After htd's possibly he moved ahead of Ben just because of the family situation. She loved his family. If JP was F1 already in her heart, it didn't really matter who was F2 anyway so who knows, she may have just thought, "take Constantine, he really isn't into me, we can have fun." If Jp is F1 I just really don't see him taking a backseat to anyone this far along, but of course tonight's episode will definitely make us think he did.