Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Discussion

Samantharose wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

pbmax wrote:

jelle wrote:JP has talked several times about the relationship that didnt work out that was so devastating. He first spoke of it on their first 1:1 date. There is another time he talks about it when she asks him when was the last time he cried. Not sure how you can say he is keeping secrets, especially since his whole family discussed it on the HTD.

He says he has had a series of short term dates from 22 - 30. Then he had a two year relationship that ended badly.

Yet haven't heard what was so heart-broken about it. How can you be so heart-broken when you broke off the relationship. Ashley is wondering if he won't do the same to her.

Ashley's a smart girl. I'm sure she asked him to explain further but we weren't shown on camera. TPTB carefully chose what to show us to further build JP's broken-heart edit.

JP said the ex did things to make him question the relationship. Vague enough not to get sued or ratted out to the tabloids! LOL

You got that right. Enough to insinuate she cheated. But can always say I didn't say that.

Harrison: Right now if you had to rank them, you'd start with J.P. ... but I will say the exotic dates really change that. There are some bumpy roads ahead for J.P. and
Ashley. I don't know the whole story [about his ex], but apparently he was devastated. For your mom to say, "I don't want to see you like that again," he must've been a mess. I think you saw Ashley a bit taken back about how serious he was with the last girlfriend and that put some question marks in Ashley's mind. I don't think J.P. is completely ready to let go yet and all of that really comes to a head next week.

Harrison: [/b]It doesn't go as smooth and orchestrated as it always does. She has a visitor come back next week [Spoiler Alert: It's Ryan] which really doesn't throw her for a loop; it's almost a positive visit. But with the three guys she has left, things aren't quite as smooth. By the end of next week, the order of who's on top will change.

1) CH always says what is going to happen.It is up to us to believe him or not. But, invariably, what CH says is what really takes place.
2) CH insinuates, JP's edit is going downhill.
3) CH says, right now it looks like JP is F1, but that WILL change.
4) CH says Ashley is taken aback by hearing JP's last relationship was serious. (means she did not know beforehand).
5) CH says, after HTD, Ashley has some question marks about JP and his readiness for another relationship. (We know in the past, when Ashley has had such doubt, she sent the men home).

Note: except the italics in point 5, everything is by CH not me. We need to give credit to CH as HE at least REALLY knows the outcome and who the real F1 is and talks to Ashley.

but the fact is Ashley told us that she knew her final 1 by going to home town dates and if Chris Harisson ranked JP final 1 at that moment so can i assume that he's her final 1 even though his edit goes "downhill" ? (i put downhill in brakets because i don't think so)
do you agree with me ?

bilolo wrote:but the fact is Ashley told us that she knew her final 1 by going to home town dates and if Chris Harisson ranked JP final 1 at that moment so can i assume that he's her final 1 even though his edit goes "downhill" ? (i put downhill in brakets because i don't think so)
do you agree with me ?

Not saying JP is or isn't F1...but re: what you said......
What Ashley says and what is shown in the edit are 2 different things. The edit had JP in the lead at that moment, for the viewers to see. Maybe Ben is her F1, and the edit just didn't show it. Just using that as an example to make a point. What is really happening isn't always what is shown.

bilolo wrote:but the fact is Ashley told us that she knew her final 1 by going to home town dates and if Chris Harisson ranked JP final 1 at that moment so can i assume that he's her final 1 even though his edit goes "downhill" ? (i put downhill in brakets because i don't think so)
do you agree with me ?

1) Ashley says she knew her final 1, means Ashley KNOWS her F1. not necessarily that the viewers know Ashley's F1. The viewers know who TPTB have edited/pushed on screen to LOOK LIKE the F1. Ashley made a point of telling us a couple of weeks back that she was going to start a journal. (just as Ali did), In the previews we see her writing in her journal. She knows and writes in her journal concerning her F1 irregardless of the edit TPTB are putting out. So far, not once has the edit showed a love story with the F1, so Ashley is writing hers so the F1 can read it later.
2) CH is speaking to the viewers and what the viewers see. By gently given this warning like softening the blow gently till the edit and the reality become one at FRC.
3) Yes, downhill is just an expression. Nothing negative on JP's part. Just to say, TPTB fronted him as F1 through the edits. That from now on, he will not be getting those edits and will be looking less like F1 as the show goes on.

but if Chris H Ranked JP as final one at that moment and Ashley said she knew her final one at the same time, is it safe to say that it's JP ?

Because we are including all the things (edit, interviews of CH, Ashley and contestants, twitter, pics etc), to determine who final one is so it's possible to do it here ?

bilolo wrote:but if Chris H Ranked JP as final one at that moment and Ashley said she knew her final one at the same time, is it safe to say that it's JP ?

Because we are including all the things (edit, interviews of CH, Ashley and contestants, twitter, pics etc), to determine who final one is so it's possible to do it here ?

CH says that will change. Until HTD, JP was ranked top (as per edit). During the HTD, something happened to change everything (so even the edit is no longer going to be portraying JP as F1).

At HTD, someone NOT JP became F1. Literally means JP is NOT F1. Edit or otherwise.

bilolo wrote:but if Chris H Ranked JP as final one at that moment and Ashley said she knew her final one at the same time, is it safe to say that it's JP ?

Because we are including all the things (edit, interviews of CH, Ashley and contestants, twitter, pics etc), to determine who final one is so it's possible to do it here ?

IMO, Chris ranked who was being edited as F1 the F1....does that make sense? LOL! Again, I am not saying it is not JP. Chris is a company guy......if they're showing us JP is in the lead in that epi, he will say it. Just like he told us how Ashley was dwelling over Bentely so long, when in reality, she wasn't.

bilolo wrote:but if Chris H Ranked JP as final one at that moment and Ashley said she knew her final one at the same time, is it safe to say that it's JP ?

Because we are including all the things (edit, interviews of CH, Ashley and contestants, twitter, pics etc), to determine who final one is so it's possible to do it here ?

F1, correct...............Maybe JP was the F1 BEFORE HTD's. and considering how JP's edit changes and makes him less like the F1, that means another emerges as the F1 and considering we do know that it is Ben and JP at the end..........the obvious option is that Ben is the F1 at the end.

i need some help english is not my first langage guys
what i want to say is sometimes here we take into the sleuthing elements what CH says or said and now you are telling me that we can't take that into account because he's a company man ?

i just made a deduction by the informations i get from CH and Ashley which are "i know from home town date who the final one was" and "JP is final one by CH at that moment" maybe it's not pertinent but that's how i take it

this is so funny

bilolo wrote:i need some help english is not my first langage guys
what i want to say is sometimes here we take into the sleuthing elements what CH says or said and now you are telling me that we can't take that into account because he's a company man ?

i just made a deduction by the informations i get from CH and Ashley which are "i know from home town date who the final one was" and "JP is final one by CH at that moment" maybe it's not pertinent but that's how i take it

this is so funny

First of all your English is just great! Second I agree with you, either we use CH information or we don't. Picking and choosing what CH information we want to use to fit our support of JP or Ben does not seem right.

bilolo wrote:i need some help english is not my first langage guys
what i want to say is sometimes here we take into the sleuthing elements what CH says or said and now you are telling me that we can't take that into account because he's a company man ?

i just made a deduction by the informations i get from CH and Ashley which are "i know from home town date who the final one was" and "JP is final one by CH at that moment" maybe it's not pertinent but that's how i take it

this is so funny

hello bilodo

it is difficult to be sure because CH is the master of playing with words in his blogs. He always play to say the truth mixed with lies. This is his job (thank G his pay is justified somehow) to send different message so the audience kept interested to watch the episodes.

However, some recent interviews made by Ashley are way more interesting because it seems that 2 weeks before the finale, the leads tend to forget to hide anything as well as they must. So yes, we can assume that at the hometown dates, she knew her F1