Chris Soules - Whitney Bischoff - Bachelor 19 - Discussion

soccermom333 wrote:No, I don't think his parents knew.  JMO  I think he was torn and they knew it.  I think some of the girls knew also.  

I agree with you guys saying the way things are edited that can make things look a certain way. But ATFR and interviews after the show, that are not edited, do not show Chris head over heels in love. Im not sure if he has that solid foundation like Sean Lowe, to make a relationship work that is birthed out of the Bachelor.

Chrisbecca wrote:

soccermom333 wrote:No, I don't think his parents knew.  JMO  I think he was torn and they knew it.  I think some of the girls knew also.  

I agree with you guys saying the way things are edited that can make things look a certain way. But ATFR and interviews after the show, that are not edited, do not show Chris head over heels in love.  Im not sure if he has that solid foundation like Sean Lowe, to make a relationship work that is birthed out of the Bachelor.

I was SeanCat fan and had to worry about whether opposites would attract outside of Bachelor bubble. Would the Seattle vegan graphic designer sexuality active birkenstock wearing fall in real world love with born again virgin meat loving Texan? Sean had DWTS dance partner close to his age who oozes sexuality plus a sister who many on this forum questioned was on board. Catherine quit her job and had to find work. They did not share same bed. Sean had a distraught final 2 who he said I Love You too before proposal to Cat. SeanCat even had the Bachelor Canada couple coming out against them because of their lack of pda in ATFR plus post interview rounds. Even with all this I kept faith in SeanCat.

Considering that Whitney changed her career with full blessings of her employer based on today's Chicago Tribune article so she can work remotely from wherever and some days in lab says that their relationship is real deal. The employer is not going to put credibility on line like that. Chris and Whitney look far more solid than any couple I have seen come out of this crazy franchise. I wish both of them well and just hoping for the best.

How exactly is the employer putting credibility on the line either way? They'll use Whitney in any way they can to promote the lab. I mean they let the show film there as well. Then they worked out a position for her where she's more of a spokesperson. That's good for business and she can still continue with the job even if the relationship tanks, so they're not risking anything. Not saying I find anything fishy about her work trip, just that even if the relationship hits the rocks, it doesn't really impact her job.

If she had quit the job, which I totally don't think she should do, then I'd take it as a sign that this engagement is the real deal. But changing positions, or essentially accepting a promotion? Not a sacrifice, just smart no matter what happens.

Chris picked Whitney at the end and they are "happy". That's all that matters now but while its nice to have full fairy-tale version of things, that's not what happened, IMO.

I agree that the family knew at MTP where Chris was leaning and it was not towards Whitney, IMO. I believe a lot of things support this.

Yes, the show is edited but not to the point where I think we can completely begin to ignore of certain things...

For most of Whitney's MTP date is dedicated to Chris telling his family about Becca, in fact they all seem acutely aware of his feeling for her and they have not even meet her yet. The BIL asking if its the chase. And his sister having met and fallen in love with idea of Whitney as there future SIL -- are concerned enough to remind him at that point that he came for a wife and not a girlfriend.

His father says "I think he will take the riskier path" - which would not have been Whitney.  

But the most revealing thing is what his BIL says to the family as they are gathered together after both MTPs "This isn't an analytical decision. Its not picking a school or buying a car. I mean at the end of the day all the reasons to go "X" are analytical ones but the reason to go "Y" is love, chemistry."

IMO that comparison is pretty telling and sums up how Chris was looking at the two women and the decision.

I also think it hard to miss the relief and adulation from his parents when they see Whitney at barn at the FRC because they genuinely believe it would not be her at the end. In his post show interview with the media, Chris also admitted he was deeply torn between the two women and didn't make his decision until just a bit before the FRC - and he believes now that it was the right one. Only time will tell.

eirekay wrote:

soccermom333 wrote:^^^ I still disagree but respect your opinion.  Chris did not choose right imo and was way to conflicted to propose to someone after maybe spending 2-3 days with them.  I know it is the show, but he was too conflicted and should not have proposed.  JMHO, but he caved to TPTB pressure.  

I actually thought that on the LCD, Becca gave Chris the clarity that he needed to move forward with Whitney confidently.  Becca, rightly, expressed concerns about what would happen if she moved to Arlington and wasn't happy.  Whitney was able to get beyond that concern because she was already in love with Chris.  There were lots of scenes with Chris and Whitney that weren't shown - their time together on the two group dates in which he gave Whitney the GDR as an example - IMO, those scenes would have shown a relationship that was growing and deepening.

IA but to go back a little further IMO Chris made his decision in Bali even if he didn't recognize it. Just like Becca didn't recognize her own love behaviors, Chris didn't see that keeping Whitney off the dartboard was proof that he couldn't let her go. I believe this plays into Chris H's comments about the family being able to plainly see what he had with Whitney. Chris couldn't see the forest for the trees so to speak.

One thing that puzzles me about Chris/Becca and the FS is how frustrated they both were the next morning about how they left things. They had plenty of time alone to hash things out but couldn't. It makes me wonder if they even stayed in the FS all night. Something seems off about that. That being said, I'm in the camp that believes that Chris was never going to choose a virgin.

Bringing it back to Chris and Whitney, IMO he subconsciously made his decision in Bali, MTP solidified it which is why Whit went to the farm instead of bowling on the LCD.

eliza3 wrote:
She's back in Chicago for an interview.  He's dancing non stop, she's interviewing and possibly working a bit.  They are mature, career driven people.  It's work.  People travel for work, it doesn't mean their relationship is doomed.

Agree. Chris and Whitney have actual careers, not just jobs to pay the bills until they achieve "stardom" after being on reality tv. 

Evidently Whitney's new position will allow her to perform some duties remotely while other duties must be performed on-site. It's easy for me to comprehend that she must be physically present in order to perform IVF functions, but hey - that's just me. The on-site part will be easier once she and Chris are back in Arlington, but as you said people travel for work.

I'm so impressed with Whitney. It was joked that she must've read the How to Win the Bachelor Guide, but homegirl needs to write a guide on how to move from post show into the real world with your man, career, and class intact. I actually have more faith in Chris because of Whit.

bleuberry wrote:I'm so impressed with Whitney. It was joked that she must've read the How to Win the Bachelor Guide, but homegirl needs to write a guide on how to move from post show into the real world with your man, career, and class intact. I actually have more faith in Chris because of Whit.

Ha! I agree with this! I think Whitney would be the glue that holds these two together.
And whether they make it or not would be entirely up to her.

Don't want to beat a dead horse but just want to point out that the reason we saw his dad saying what he did about Becca was that they were trying to fool us into thinking he was favoring her. They always want us to think they'll pick or want to pick the f2 and/or that they're having a horrible time making a decision. There could have been a bunch of comments favoring the f1 but we seldom see those. If they don't get what they want from manipulation they just Frankenbyte. I've learned over the ridiculous number of seasons I've watched that you can't take what they show without a huge grain of salt. The result is that there's always those who don't believe the f1 is really their pick even when that's not the case. Not a good start in an already unreal situation. The way I look at it is that only Chris knows what was in his head & heart and he appears to be very happy with Whitney. That's all that really matters imo.

sfrank wrote:

bleuberry wrote:I'm so impressed with Whitney. It was joked that she must've read the How to Win the Bachelor Guide, but homegirl needs to write a guide on how to move from post show into the real world with your man, career, and class intact. I actually have more faith in Chris because of Whit.

Ha! I agree with this! I think Whitney would be the glue that holds these two together.
And whether they make it or not would be entirely up to her.

We'll he did pick her   I honestly never saw Chris going with the 'smart' choice pre season, and I think this is why they have a good shot. He nailed every elimination, picked a great f3, and picked the best f1 for him. Never thought the farmer had it in him! 

albean99 wrote:Don't want to beat a dead horse but just want to point out that the reason we saw his dad saying what he did about Becca was that they were trying to fool us into thinking he was favoring her. They always want us to think they'll pick or want to pick the f2 and/or that they're having a horrible time making a decision. There could have been a bunch of comments favoring the f1 but we seldom see those. If they don't get what they want from manipulation they just Frankenbyte. I've learned over the ridiculous number of seasons I've watched that you can't take what they show without a huge grain of salt. The result is that there's always those who don't believe the f1 is really their pick even when that's not the case. Not a good start in an already unreal situation. The way I look at it is that only Chris knows what was in his head & heart and he appears to be very happy with Whitney. That's all that really matters imo.

mindless wrote:How exactly is the employer putting credibility on the line either way? They'll use Whitney in any way they can to promote the lab. I mean they let the show film there as well. Then they worked out a position for her where she's more of a spokesperson. That's good for business and she can still continue with the job even if the relationship tanks, so they're not risking anything. Not saying I find anything fishy about her work trip, just that even if the relationship hits the rocks, it doesn't really impact her job.

If she had quit the job, which I totally don't think she should do, then I'd take it as a sign that this engagement is the real deal. But changing positions, or essentially accepting a promotion? Not a sacrifice, just smart no matter what happens.  

The on-air exposure certainly should have boosted awareness and interest.  But I am talking about what's happening 4 months later in real world: Chris and Whitney engaged.

Whitney's employer is a fertility lab ... she's not promoting hamburgers or mascara. It's absolutely critical that any spokesperson in the medical profession is considered trustworthy, knowledgeable, reliable and credible. Patients about to go though in vitro fertilization are incredibly vulnerable and are about to form a relationship with the business that could last a long time. Imagine how those patients would feel if they discover that the Bachelor gig and Whitney's relationship with Chris is purely a sham and that the patients were essentially lured into the business by a ruse. That would totally backfire on her employer.

And, now I am confused ... how would quitting her job make her engagement to Chris the "real deal"? Gosh, I must have missed that memo 21+ years ago when I got engaged. In fact, I kept right on working throughout my engagement, my marriage and the birth of two children. Does that make my marriage and family not the real deal because I am still working today?