Re: Bachelor 19 - Chris Soules - Episode - 11 - LCD - FRC - ATFR #3 *Spoilers - Sleuthing*- Discussion

Lucas15 wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:And I think he was part of the reason she moved to California, but someone correct me if I'm remembering wrong.

ETA:  so yes, she dated a minor celeb, but he wasn't a celeb when they started dating.

My point was less whether he was a celebrity when they started dating and more that she has gotten a "taste" of the California fast lane through that experience and he was the catalyst. She has stayed in California, expressed an intent to go back to California and I think she is more likely than not to settle in California. Nothing at all is wrong with that unless you're a farmer from Iowa and have little interest in doing anything more than visiting California on your way back to Iowa.

Chris is doing DWTS and I wouldn't be surprised if he's got a reality farming show on HGTV in the next year as well..time will tell.

lurker11 wrote:The people said the same about Des and Chris - American culture is cyclical

Well, I actually found that while they got a lot of skepticism....the majority of people were supportive of Des and Chris because they could see how much he adored her.
I know this because as a Brooks fan I was extremely frustrated that more people weren't on my side about how wrong it was for her to accept Chris' proposal after the break up with Brooks. But looking back I think what helped is that at the ATFR they were clearly into each other and when Brooks came out, it was obvious she was over him.  

Not the case from what I saw from Chris on Monday night....if anything more people said it was AFTR that showed them that Chris was not over Becca and I agree.

lurker11 wrote:I think we're all over estimating this LA stint.....he's not lasting long. hahah

It will be fun to watch him and I will be rooting for him but I anticipate he'll leave somewhere in the middle. Wasn't that about where Sean left? There are always some people you know will be there in the end... the professional athletes. C and W seems to be looking at it as an adventure and she seems totally supportive. Pretty gutsy to do if you ask me, I admire him for giving it a shot.

sfrank wrote:

lurker11 wrote:The people said the same about Des and Chris - American culture is cyclical

Well, I actually found that while they got a lot of skepticism....the majority of people were supportive of Des and Chris because they could see how much he adored her.
I know this because as a Brooks fan I was extremely frustrated that more people weren't on my side about how wrong it was for her to accept Chris' proposal after the break up with Brooks. But looking back I think what helped is that at the ATFR they were clearly into each other and when Brooks came out, it was obvious she was over him.  

Not the case from what I saw from Chris on Monday night....if anything more people said it was AFTR that showed them that Chris was not over Becca and I agree.

Yeah, I remember raising an eyebrow when Des went from heartbroken to accepting a proposal from Chris, but Brooks wasn't an option anymore, so I couldn't fault her for continuing the relationship that was. And like you said, they seemed really happy at ATFR and were already moving in together, so it was clearly going well. Couldn't really help being happy for them.

That's not what I saw on Monday, but I'm always happy to be proven wrong, when it comes to these things. I guess we'll see after DWTS is over, if the move to Arlington is any nearer.

Considering the track record of this show, I'm surprised there aren't more doubters.

Gale1 wrote:

mindless wrote:

sfrank wrote:

Well, I actually found that while they got a lot of skepticism....the majority of people were supportive of Des and Chris because they could see how much he adored her.
I know this because as a Brooks fan I was extremely frustrated that more people weren't on my side about how wrong it was for her to accept Chris' proposal after the break up with Brooks. But looking back I think what helped is that at the ATFR they were clearly into each other and when Brooks came out, it was obvious she was over him.  

Not the case from what I saw from Chris on Monday night....if anything more people said it was AFTR that showed them that Chris was not over Becca and I agree.

Yeah, I remember raising an eyebrow when Des went from heartbroken to accepting a proposal from Chris, but Brooks wasn't an option anymore, so I couldn't fault her for continuing the relationship that was. And like you said, they seemed really happy at ATFR and were already moving in together, so it was clearly going well. Couldn't really help being happy for them.

That's not what I saw on Monday, but I'm always happy to be proven wrong, when it comes to these things. I guess we'll see after DWTS is over, if the move to Arlington is any nearer.

Just want to know why are there always so many doubters out there? This is a reality show the participants have to listen to what the producers say - they cannot just go out there see the person they want early on in the show & hook up with them & that's that, there has to be some drama in it pitting the one against the other & saying it was a very difficult & hard decision to make & then make it look like they were undecided & not sure which one they should go for in the end.

If anyone had really watched this series properly they would of just seen the ease, chemistry, love & affection Chris had with Whitney almost right from the very beginning. Did not see this with Becca at all she seems not to be a very affectionate person & sometimes seems to be not in the moment at all - I for one definitely would not say a good fit for Chris. However any relationship no matter how good it is can go wrong in life so lets as you say just wait & see what happens.

This I presume is not a fan club at all?   GO CHRIS & WHIT

I watched Chris and Whitney and found all of their dates to be overly-produced and forced. The wedding crashing, mural, even the little moments like the garter and whiskey. Nothing looked authentic, IMO. I also thought she knew the correct things to do and say to "win" and had researched him heavily -- down to his favorite drink. I found Chris and Becca to be easy, natural, and genuine - notice how low-key and as close to real life their dates were. I think that kept them more grounded in that environment. It why I think they were able to have real and honest with each other.

I maintain that if Becca said even a quarter of Whitney said in all her declarations, he would have picked her.  But in the end, the sure thing was the safer choice to make -- she would move, she would get married and have babies, and she was head over heels in love with him. She checked all the boxes for him.
Only time will tell if it was the right choice. Will they make it? Flip a coin!

sfrank wrote:

lurker11 wrote:The people said the same about Des and Chris - American culture is cyclical

Well, I actually found that while they got a lot of skepticism....the majority of people were supportive of Des and Chris because they could see how much he adored her.
I know this because as a Brooks fan I was extremely frustrated that more people weren't on my side about how wrong it was for her to accept Chris' proposal after the break up with Brooks. But looking back I think what helped is that at the ATFR they were clearly into each other and when Brooks came out, it was obvious she was over him.  

Not the case from what I saw from Chris on Monday night....if anything more people said it was AFTR that showed them that Chris was not over Becca and I agree.

OMG!  This shows how out of touch I am...I had no clue Brooks came out.  Guess it all worked out right in the end, then.  It usually does.  Happy for all of them.

IrishGal wrote:

sfrank wrote:

lurker11 wrote:The people said the same about Des and Chris - American culture is cyclical

Well, I actually found that while they got a lot of skepticism....the majority of people were supportive of Des and Chris because they could see how much he adored her.
I know this because as a Brooks fan I was extremely frustrated that more people weren't on my side about how wrong it was for her to accept Chris' proposal after the break up with Brooks. But looking back I think what helped is that at the ATFR they were clearly into each other and when Brooks came out, it was obvious she was over him.  

Not the case from what I saw from Chris on Monday night....if anything more people said it was AFTR that showed them that Chris was not over Becca and I agree.

OMG!  This shows how out of touch I am...I had no clue Brooks came out.  Guess it all worked out right in the end, then.  It usually does.  Happy for all of them.

Haha, I think she just means came out to greet her at the AFRC. Not came out of the closet. I think he has a girlfriend!

To me it was crystal clear that Becca was not into Chris...not in any way, shape or form. She liked him well enough and in the bubble said all the things that needed to be said, but no way was she ever going to end up with Chris.

Whitney came in well prepared. She liked the Chris she saw on Andi's season. She knew JS who no doubt prepared her on how things work behind the scenes. Not that she didn't already know as she is a long time fan and it is all out there in cyber land...and she has admitted that she is a planner. Nothing wrong with that. I also like to have all my ducks in a row. Just because she was prepared does not mean that she wasn't genuine. She said that he lived up to her expectations and if he hadn't, well then she would have had an adventure.

Chris is a farmer....in case you missed it. He farms for a living. He is not a public speaker. I think that was pretty clear. The gift of gab is not his strong suit. He is practical and self aware and clearly no fool based on his business acumen. He knew what he wanted going in and unlike many, he actually picked someone who matched what he wanted. Shocking! Being a farmer does not necessarily foster your romantic side. Farmers need to be practical. He picked what was best for him...not what the audience thinks is best for him. He was there. He lived it....the unedited version.

Admittedly, watching last night was sometimes uncomfortable. I wish Chris was more articulate on the show, but then I re-watched the proposal...alone, on it's own merits, without all the scripted filler that was edited beforehand to confuse....and I watched a bunch of their post show interviews. Upon second viewing of the proposal I saw the genuine, sweet emotion. As I watched the interviews, I noticed that they seemed to be getting more comfortable with each other and opening up. And the more I listened to them, the more I saw a mature couple taking things seriously and planning for their future. No, they were not all over each other as some others have been, but they seemed very grounded and very respectful and caring about each other. Will they make it? We will all have to wait and see, but based on what I have been seeing it makes me very hopeful. That and the fact that apparently they are practicing baby making every chance they get!

mindless wrote:

sfrank wrote:

lurker11 wrote:The people said the same about Des and Chris - American culture is cyclical

Well, I actually found that while they got a lot of skepticism....the majority of people were supportive of Des and Chris because they could see how much he adored her.
I know this because as a Brooks fan I was extremely frustrated that more people weren't on my side about how wrong it was for her to accept Chris' proposal after the break up with Brooks. But looking back I think what helped is that at the ATFR they were clearly into each other and when Brooks came out, it was obvious she was over him.  

Not the case from what I saw from Chris on Monday night....if anything more people said it was AFTR that showed them that Chris was not over Becca and I agree.

Yeah, I remember raising an eyebrow when Des went from heartbroken to accepting a proposal from Chris, but Brooks wasn't an option anymore, so I couldn't fault her for continuing the relationship that was. And like you said, they seemed really happy at ATFR and were already moving in together, so it was clearly going well. Couldn't really help being happy for them.

That's not what I saw on Monday, but I'm always happy to be proven wrong, when it comes to these things. I guess we'll see after DWTS is over, if the move to Arlington is any nearer.

as a die hard Chres fan, i concur this . I really wished Chrisney would put the 'default' case to rest by immediately working out their relationship off public eyes and ride off into Chi/IA/wherever sunset together, ala Chres. But no way jose...another hectic show again. Things that make me go: hmmmmmmmm....Best of luck to them. I always love a Wedding that can come out of this cray2 show. I hope they can make the 5th record.

Sprite wrote:To me it was crystal clear that Becca was not into Chris...not in any way, shape or form. She liked him well enough and in the bubble said all the things that needed to be said, but no way was she ever going to end up with Chris.

Whitney came in well prepared. She liked the Chris she saw on Andi's season. She knew JS who no doubt prepared her on how things work behind the scenes. Not that she didn't already know as she is a long time fan and it is all out there in cyber land...and she has admitted that she is a planner. Nothing wrong with that. I also like to have all my ducks in a row. Just because she was prepared does not mean that she wasn't genuine. She said that he lived up to her expectations and if he hadn't, well then she would have had an adventure.

Chris is a farmer....in case you missed it. He farms for a living. He is not a public speaker. I think that was pretty clear. The gift of gab is not his strong suit. He is practical and self aware and clearly no fool based on his business acumen. He knew what he wanted going in and unlike many, he actually picked someone who matched what he wanted. Shocking! Being a farmer does not necessarily foster your romantic side. Farmers need to be practical. He picked what was best for him...not what the audience thinks is best for him. He was there. He lived it....the unedited version.

Admittedly, watching last night was sometimes uncomfortable. I wish Chris was more articulate on the show, but then I re-watched the proposal...alone, on it's own merits, without all the scripted filler that was edited beforehand to confuse....and I watched a bunch of their post show interviews. Upon second viewing of the proposal I saw the genuine, sweet emotion. As I watched the interviews, I noticed that they seemed to be getting more comfortable with each other and opening up. And the more I listened to them, the more I saw a mature couple taking things seriously and planning for their future. No, they were not all over each other as some others have been, but they seemed very grounded and very respectful and caring about each other. Will they make it? We will all have to wait and see, but based on what I have been seeing it makes me very hopeful. That and the fact that apparently they are practicing baby making every chance they get!

Sprite wrote:To me it was crystal clear that Becca was not into Chris...not in any way, shape or form. She liked him well enough and in the bubble said all the things that needed to be said, but no way was she ever going to end up with Chris.

Whitney came in well prepared. She liked the Chris she saw on Andi's season. She knew JS who no doubt prepared her on how things work behind the scenes. Not that she didn't already know as she is a long time fan and it is all out there in cyber land...and she has admitted that she is a planner. Nothing wrong with that. I also like to have all my ducks in a row. Just because she was prepared does not mean that she wasn't genuine. She said that he lived up to her expectations and if he hadn't, well then she would have had an adventure.

Chris is a farmer....in case you missed it. He farms for a living. He is not a public speaker. I think that was pretty clear. The gift of gab is not his strong suit. He is practical and self aware and clearly no fool based on his business acumen. He knew what he wanted going in and unlike many, he actually picked someone who matched what he wanted. Shocking! Being a farmer does not necessarily foster your romantic side. Farmers need to be practical. He picked what was best for him...not what the audience thinks is best for him. He was there. He lived it....the unedited version.

Admittedly, watching last night was sometimes uncomfortable. I wish Chris was more articulate on the show, but then I re-watched the proposal...alone, on it's own merits, without all the scripted filler that was edited beforehand to confuse....and I watched a bunch of their post show interviews. Upon second viewing of the proposal I saw the genuine, sweet emotion. As I watched the interviews, I noticed that they seemed to be getting more comfortable with each other and opening up. And the more I listened to them, the more I saw a mature couple taking things seriously and planning for their future. No, they were not all over each other as some others have been, but they seemed very grounded and very respectful and caring about each other. Will they make it? We will all have to wait and see, but based on what I have been seeing it makes me very hopeful. That and the fact that apparently they are practicing baby making every chance they get!

No offense, but since someone offered to send me the links, I watched too. I saw Whitney looking less happy than we saw all season. I saw her only speak when spoken to and only smile when spoken too. Once in all the interviews did I see any spontaneous touching and it quickly ended.

I may have liked Becca all season and still admire her. But, I have no desire for her and Chris to reunite. That ship has sailed and if they tried, I would lose respect for her.

I wanted to be happy for the couple. I learned with Chris and Des, so no matter who I felt about the season or the proposal or anything else, I was prepared to be happy for them on AFTR. But they weren't happy. Chris seemed to still touch Becca too long, he did this with Jade too and it is not appropriate for a newly engaged happy man. He leaned in and seemed to be waiting for Becca to say something to make him feel better.

But even then, once Whitney came out, their was an odd tension. They have spent a lot of their alone time, which was very limited with his parents? Then when JK came out and made the quip about Becca, they instead of laughing it off ad cuddling right back up, stayed very far apart.

I have no ill will to the couple, I think any couple that can make it from this show should be celebrated. After the finale, I found myself hoping Courtney and Ben might make it and Andi and Josh. It doesn't matter if they were my choice, if they can survive after the worst courtship ritual in the world then good for them.

I just don't see the happy with Whitney and since it is so very different then the Whitney we saw on the bachelor who everyone said was very genuine, it is odd to me. I hope that it gets better. I think DWTS is not a good step. I wish he was focusing on Whitney with an H not the one without an H. I also think if they survive his time on DWTS, they have a good chance.

I will say I am rather amazed that everyone wants to put anything Becca down to editing and TPTB, but then give Chris full credit for every Whitney date. Either he had nothing to do with most of it, or he was more involved in all of it. I don't think magically that Whitney's were the only dates that Chris had any say in. That just doesn't make sense.

I also hope someone smacks Chris in the head and tells him to back off on the how it wasn't Whitney until his family helped him chose or how he was certain once Becca didn't cry at FRC stuff. Whitney is your fiance, focus on telling us how much you love her and how wonderful the journey with her was. Becca isn't his concern anymore, Whitney is, so start focusing in your interviews and such on how much you enjoyed Whitney.

I want that for Whitney. She may have annoyed me on tv, but seeing that gone was sad and if that is the real her, then I am sad that this relationship seems to be quenching that part of her personality.