Re: Bachelor 19 - Chris Soules - Episode - 11 - LCD - FRC - ATFR #3 *Spoilers - Sleuthing*- Discussion

iamreal2u wrote:

sfrank wrote:

Pia1 wrote:

Thank you! This was hilarious!

I know so funny!  This may be my favorite part...

"the place was decorated like someone had had a stroke in an Anthropologie, all candles and stained glass windows and hanging lanterns and empty mason jars. Props to the set dressers for giving it their all, but sometimes you cannot put lipstick on a pig barn. Because it's a pig barn."

Comments like the bolded is why Chris is with Whitney and it would not have worked with Becca.

cindebugg wrote:

sfrank wrote:And isn't CH out there saying he thinks Whitney was the front runner?! Does it make sense to have  the host of show saying one thing and Chris saying something else?!  If anything we know that CH is one full of you know what. It only helps the show if the lead is in the media saying Whitney was the one all along - People mag says "soulmates" because that what people want to believe in.

CH said in an article I read yesterday that Britt was the front runner for awhile.  He also said that he felt from Bali that Chris was leaning towards Whitney.  He went on to say that Whitney was never an option to be sent home at F3.  It was between Kaitlyn and Becca.

 I admire Becca for the choices she's made but IMO Chris was never going to choose the virgin.

Ladybug82 wrote:It posted it in the last full, locked thread, but here it is   :

Cosmo - Cringe Worthy Moments from the Bachelor Finale

sfrank wrote:^^^i didn't see an agrument. What I saw was real emotion and heartbreak. I saw a man desperately trying to get the woman he loves to say yes to moving to Iowa and a proposal and a woman falling in love for the first time and wanting a future but not willing to make those promises after a collective 72hrs of alone time. It was really sad to watch actually because of the pressure they were under by the constrains of the show.

Columbia, MD wrote:I don't think Whitney cared where the FRC was held or how the place was decorated.  Her goal from day 1 was to get engaged to Chris and that was all that mattered to her.  She got what she wanted, and I think she just went along with the barn atmosphere and probably never noticed it.  JMHO.  

mindless wrote:Ugh, I just lost a long post.

Anyway, IMO the reason that Whitney's rose was never in question during rose ceremonies, was that Chris didn't have any questions about her. He knew she was there for him, she was wife material and she was gonna accept a proposal no matter what. It made all the sense in the world to take her to F2, because she was the sure bet and he did enjoy her company and admired her as a person. That doesn't mean she was the frontrunner in his heart. I think he had more of a spark with Britt, then Jade and finally Becca. The first two just turned out to be something else than he thought they were, and Becca didn't fall as fast as he and the show needed her to. Kaitlyn was never an option IMO, at least after HTD's. If anyone was dragged along for the sake of becoming the next lead, it was her. I saw no chemistry during their HTD and FD. The chemistry between Chris and Becca was undeniable though, and most obvious during their two 1-on-1's. The edit for the rest of the season focused mostly on her inexperience, so many may have missed that effortless connection they had since early on. I'm sure we would've seen more of it during the day portion of their LCD, but they conveniently cut that out in order to make Whitney seem like the only choice.

People have been saying that Chris was just doing his job and comparing them to other couples, but I really don't see why. I can't remember a single season where I felt the lead missed out by choosing his F1. Well I did think Nick could've been better for Andi than Josh, but we saw how that "love story" turned out. I never bought Sean with Lindsay. Their relationship actually reminded me of Chris and Whitney. He really liked and admired her as a person and she was perfect for him on paper. The problem is that he never fell for her, he fell for Cat. Much like Chris did with Becca IMHO. Des and Brooks was a one-sided love story all the way. He just wasn't feeling it and didn't see a future with her, so he was never a true option. Becca, however, was falling for Chris and wanted to keep dating him to see where it can go, so she was a legitimate option. Just too risky for wimpy Chris. He didn't want to end up with nothing and have his sisters tell him "we told you so" for the rest of his life. Not an edit. JMO.

Lievta wrote:

Columbia, MD wrote:I don't think Whitney cared where the FRC was held or how the place was decorated.  Her goal from day 1 was to get engaged to Chris and that was all that mattered to her.  She got what she wanted, and I think she just went along with the barn atmosphere and probably never noticed it.  JMHO.  

BINGO!!

sfrank wrote:

cindebugg wrote:

sfrank wrote:And isn't CH out there saying he thinks Whitney was the front runner?! Does it make sense to have  the host of show saying one thing and Chris saying something else?!  If anything we know that CH is one full of you know what. It only helps the show if the lead is in the media saying Whitney was the one all along - People mag says "soulmates" because that what people want to believe in.

CH said in an article I read yesterday that Britt was the front runner for awhile.  He also said that he felt from Bali that Chris was leaning towards Whitney.  He went on to say that Whitney was never an option to be sent home at F3.  It was between Kaitlyn and Becca.

 I admire Becca for the choices she's made but IMO Chris was never going to choose the virgin.

I think you missed my point because ^^^^ comments was the latter piece in a larger commentary I wrote (this is missing the first paragraph)

The poster was saying that Chris' struggle was manufactured by TPTB and he is still under contract to say that he had feelings for Becca and didn't decide until shortly before the FRC (per an interview he gave yesterday here: http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/the-bachelor-star-chris-soules-interview-i-still-question-how-whitney-bischoff-will-adapt-in-iowa-17597.php)

My point was that Chris' contract requires that he show up and make appearences on behalf of the show.
It does not require him to keep telling people he didn't decide until shortly before the FRC that it was going to be Whitney, or to say that he told his family certain things about his feelings for Becca that made them think he would pick her.  And post show continue to vigioursly defend his feelings and the connection he had with Becca when asked if it was just "the chase".

I was pointing that CH is saying the exact opposite and its strange to have the lead and host saying two things that are completely opposite. Chris S. could easily downplay his feelings or use the outs he has been giving him to make the woman at his side, his fiancé, feel special. He's not. He saying these things because it's the truth, IMO.

CH lies to us constantly but now we believe  his word is gossip? No. He does what is best for himself and the show. Period. The show benefits from the happy ending and People Magazine fairytale. That is my point.

albean99 wrote:

sfrank wrote:

cindebugg wrote:

CH said in an article I read yesterday that Britt was the front runner for awhile.  He also said that he felt from Bali that Chris was leaning towards Whitney.  He went on to say that Whitney was never an option to be sent home at F3.  It was between Kaitlyn and Becca.

 I admire Becca for the choices she's made but IMO Chris was never going to choose the virgin.

I think you missed my point because ^^^^ comments was the latter piece in a larger commentary I wrote (this is missing the first paragraph)

The poster was saying that Chris' struggle was manufactured by TPTB and he is still under contract to say that he had feelings for Becca and didn't decide until shortly before the FRC (per an interview he gave yesterday here: http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/the-bachelor-star-chris-soules-interview-i-still-question-how-whitney-bischoff-will-adapt-in-iowa-17597.php)

My point was that Chris' contract requires that he show up and make appearences on behalf of the show.
It does not require him to keep telling people he didn't decide until shortly before the FRC that it was going to be Whitney, or to say that he told his family certain things about his feelings for Becca that made them think he would pick her.  And post show continue to vigioursly defend his feelings and the connection he had with Becca when asked if it was just "the chase".

I was pointing that CH is saying the exact opposite and its strange to have the lead and host saying two things that are completely opposite. Chris S. could easily downplay his feelings or use the outs he has been giving him to make the woman at his side, his fiancé, feel special. He's not. He saying these things because it's the truth, IMO.

CH lies to us constantly but now we believe  his word is gossip? No. He does what is best for himself and the show. Period. The show benefits from the happy ending and People Magazine fairytale. That is my point.

Their contract is pretty tight and I think people would be surprised if we were able to read them. I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to say they were told to lead someone on. I remember way back in Meredith's season when Matthew her f2 asked her why she said she'd be honored if he gave her a ring (don't know the wording) and she just mumbled something about the show but never really answered. Clearly she couldn't say the truth which was she was forced to lead him on. She was gaga about Ian from the 3rd epi and didn't even want to go on the FD with Matt after Ian's. He had to talk her out of it. Interestingly Ian did an interview in Brazil post show where he was able to give out some secrets.

They also have to tell their family that they're confused. It's not just Chris. I'm sure the family are not allowed to tell us they were coached in any way because they're all under contract too.

I keep harping on this but it's all subjective what we believe and we're not likely to change anyone's opinion. It's my hope that sometime in the near future people can move on and hope for good things for their favorites. :Nod:

Lievta wrote:I wondered if a) Becca would have let herself fall (if she indeed was falling for him) if she didn't know Whitney was all in, and b) if Chris had said ILY and I'm willing to take this as slowly as you need (in the fantasy suite, for instance) to Becca, would that have made a difference.

Lucas15 wrote:

Lievta wrote:I wondered if a) Becca would have let herself fall (if she indeed was falling for him) if she didn't know Whitney was all in, and b) if Chris had said ILY and I'm willing to take this as slowly as you need (in the fantasy suite, for instance) to Becca, would that have made a difference.

I hate getting suckered into "what if" scenarios because the real answer almost has to be "I don't know - it never happened that way". That said ...

Re: what I bolded - Becca could have written an alternate script for the movie How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days because she did just about everything she could to keep Chris from picking her; she actually looked happy (and smiled) when he did break up with her. No tears - not even in the limo afterwards. The thing that most blew my mind was when she proposed a long distance romance if Chris picked her - to a guy who had spent 7 years with a girl that ended up in a long distance romance that didn't work out (they almost never do); talk about a red flag! It was completely weird in the context of this show, and I think she had absolutely zero interest in Chris or Arlington IA or anything that Chris could possibly offer. She's dated a (minor) celebrity in the past and I think she never had any intentions of being a farmer's wife and little interest in being a farmer's girlfriend - her sights are set higher than that.

I think had any of the things you suggested actually happened, she would have found some other excuse.

Lucas15 wrote:
Re: what I bolded - Becca could have written an alternate script for the movie How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days because she did just about everything she could to keep Chris from picking her; she actually looked happy (and smiled) when he did break up with her. No tears - not even in the limo afterwards. The thing that most blew my mind was when she proposed a long distance romance if Chris picked her - to a guy who had spent 7 years with a girl that ended up in a long distance romance that didn't work out (they almost never do); talk about a red flag! It was completely weird in the context of this show, and I think she had absolutely zero interest in Chris or Arlington IA or anything that Chris could possibly offer. She's dated a (minor) celebrity in the past and I think she never had any intentions of being a farmer's wife and little interest in being a farmer's girlfriend - her sights are set higher than that.