Andi Dorfman - The Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - #2

Kashathediva wrote:

Laudergirl wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Andi is such a good friend of CH but didn't have a clue about what was happening in her life. He didn't congratulate her on her tshirt launch Advocare launch or anything else, that I could see. I understand that relationship problems is not going to be broadcasted by her, however if we knew something was up as early as October, than surely her good friend CH knew.

As Kasha said, he is preparing the viewers with using words like brutal and devastated. Of course it's to pull in more viewers, and IMO that's the way the whole sit down has been scripted. We can't have her all happy talking about her plans for the future, to which there doesn't seem to be any.

Emily was the F1, she did the interview. She went on and on about how much she loved Brad, and he supported her doing the interview. She kept it classy, although there were a lot of tears and at the time there were those including me who felt she was just to insecure. However, she did nothing but praise Brad.

We are already hearing rumours of the opposite.

When you say rumors of the opposite, are you referring to the spoilers we are receiving from CH and Eonline, or are you hearing of rumors from other sources? I think Andi can be heartbroken and devastated and still keep it classy, not blaming or criticizing Josh, especially if she claims they both came to the mutual decision that it just wasn't going to work after the premiere. CH ssemed to indicate that the Premiere was the final straw and that something about being part of that experience is what helped them make their decision.

I know this may seem irrelevant now but you mentioned "we" knew something was up as early as October. Besides the alleged Murray family feud that was timed around October, my impression was Andi and Josh as a couple appeared to still be doing fine at that point. I noticed a cool down between them in late November and December. Did I miss something that others saw that indicated they were having "couple" problems as far back as October? Looking back at interviews and appearances through Veterans Day they still seemed happy and in love.

I can't answer for GA, but I can tell you what I think I have or have posted.  :Nod:  I hope this clears some things up from my end.

The only thing that makes me question that MEandI could keep the interview "classy" and do a Nikki broken record reply to CH(we loved each other very much, we tried to work on our relationship, but realized it was not the best for either of us), is that she has not handled other interviews classy or polished. I know this is subjective from my POV. The way she dealt with Eric and the way she dealt with the ATFR, the red carpet and other things lead me to this POV. It is the all MEandI all the time channel. 
The way she relentlessly patted down Josh on the red carpet reminded me of an owner trying to discipline their antsy dog. "Down boy, down boy!" As if Josh was going to come out any minute and say something off the script, whatever weirdo script she had going in her head.
My personal opinion from listening to CH today: They were at the Red Carpet event and saw other couples that had "made it" and saw they did not have the "same stuff".  Very good politically correct statement! Kudos if that ends up being the "reported" case.
Per your last paragraph and the bolded: I knew this due to their Kleinfeld fiasco which took place late Oct--early Nov. I think you and I talked about this.  The bottom line was there was no way this was a couple in the slightest bit interested in wedding anything. They were there for the publicity.

eliza3 wrote:I can see where "traditional wife" roles, or the lack there of, and the need for intellectual compatibility are huge in a relationship.   While I hope Andi doesn't say that exactly I can see where that could create issues in this particular relationship.

GuardianAngel wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I can see where "traditional wife" roles, or the lack there of, and the need for intellectual compatibility are huge in a relationship.   While I hope Andi doesn't say that exactly I can see where that could create issues in this particular relationship.

IA eliza for sure, but you would know that right off the bat, and not talk about having 3-4 children in 5 yrs. After several months together you would know if they aren't intellectually compatible (I sort of find that alone so demeaning and difficult to say) so if that's the case why is she so devastated.

Kashathediva wrote:JMOAA: when one is devastated about something not working out whether it be a job or a relationship, it's because the dreams and expectations did not live up to the reality. I usually think of blindsiding. If you're blindsided, you are knocked off you're feet at least momentarily. 
Maybe in the long run, MEandI thought Josh would heel?

Laudergirl wrote:^^^^^
That's just it. If it were an issue of Andi not finding Josh to be intellectually challenging enough, or if their equally strong alpha personalities were a main reason for their problems, it would have presented itself a lot sooner IMO.
That's what I find so confusing about these theories people have. There are a lot of inconsistencies. For almost every theory I have heard about their breakup or why they have issues, I can tell you something that contradicts it. Things aren't adding up to me and I hope to get some clarity on Sunday night.

Laudergirl wrote:^^^^^
That's just it. If it were an issue of Andi not finding Josh to be intellectually challenging enough, or if their equally strong alpha personalities were a main reason for their problems, it would have presented itself a lot sooner IMO.
That's what I find so confusing about these theories people have. There are a lot of inconsistencies. For almost every theory I have heard about their breakup or why they have issues, I can tell you something that contradicts it. Things aren't adding up to me and I hope to get some clarity on Sunday night.

GuardianAngel wrote:You can't live in NYC making $15 dresses and no talent.

What happened to the 3-4 kids that she wanted? She's all over the map as far as her goals in life. She says what she thinks is the right thing to say in whatever situation she's in. This is just another example of who she is.

"She thinks New York City is the right place for her to find someone with an energy and intellectualism to match her own,"

Of course, you see, it wasn't her that was the problem. No one is smarter than her, maybe she should hook up with Kelsey.

Ash2214 wrote:The one that really annoys me is that she supposedly wants to find a guy that doesn't want a traditional wife. I suppose there are many different forms of traditionalism, but for me, you can still be a traditional wife in the sense that you support your family, provide for them, be family oriented, etc. but also still have your own goals and your own outlets for your creativity.

To me, if that quote is to be believed, it seems like she just wants a guy that will let her float around doing whatever she wants whenever she wants. Time to grow up, IMO and realize you can be a traditional wife and mother, but still be your own person and do your own things. It does a real disservice to women when stuff like that is said IMO.

Now she's taking kissy face selfies for promotion of hair clip ins in order to get paid. Ugh.

BachfanNY wrote:I hope she does come to NYC. Its not the glitz and glamour that she may be imagining. And the men... well, let's just say the experience might do her some good actually.

motheroffive wrote:Here is the blurb in US.

nannymargie wrote:

Laudergirl wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:
This ^^^ 
Exactly what I have been saying for almost a year. 
This was never a match for any of the men from her show.

Exactly to the bolded!

I think the only match for her was Josh because she always dated ball players and was use to going to games and she said she is an SEC girl.

MiaHawk wrote:Andi is a self-proclaimed spoiled little Daddy's girl.  She is the poster-child for why you should NOT spoil a child.

What, I ask, has Andi proven she is capable of doing on her own? I see nothing other than a piece of paper from law school which she has chosen not to utilize. I'm sure she did not pay for college or law school herself. If she did, she must have tons of student loans, yet she has chosen not to work for over a year. This tells me that she had little or no skin in the game as for as paying that bill.

I think there are many phases to life and many paths we can choose along the way. In the past, even though I was never a fan of Andi's, I was vocal about her right as a woman to choose what she wanted to do with her degree and employment status.  I support anyone's choice to change careers or take time off to raise a family or to continue working fulltime while raising a family.  Every family is different and people need to do what works for them.

This, however, seems to be a case of Andi misrepresenting herself and going on this show as someone who wanted a spouse and family. She went onto JPG season just for fun and travels, caught the eye of the producers, played her part in auditioning for 'ette, and went on to have another few months of not working and traveling the world (something she admits she had never done).  

So, after 4 months of "playing family" with Josh she appears "over" the concept of settling down. The phrase "Be careful what you wish for" comes to mind. She couldn't handle the reality that becoming part of Josh's family meant that she was going to have to make certain compromises. It was going to require a few selfless gestures and actions. She couldn't stand the fact that Josh (currently struggling himself to start off professionally) expected her to be a contributing half to their couple. He expected her to make more than she was spending, to want to bond with family, and to think of longterm goals rather than the shiny objects of today.

To me, Andi should stay single. She obviously is not in any hurry to raise children (the most selfless act on earth) or to put anyone else's needs on an even playing field as her own. What she does want is to find herself a successful, wealthy, "intellectual" sugar daddy in NYC, all under the guise of her be an aspiring designer.  

She really has an infantismal chance of breaking into any fashion business. More likely, she could work in sales at one of the many retail stores in NYC, but even those jobs are highly competitive to get. My friend's daughter has a degree in fashion design. She worked for years in NYC in sales at a large department store, then as a buyer in one of their departments, and finally has achieved a store manager position at a designer shoe store. I am having a difficult time imagining Andi being happy doing any of those jobs, especially with their pay grades and the cost of living in NYC area. She is going to the fashion capital of the US with NO training or experience. She is delusional!

The reality is that Andi is a spoiled little girl who has never grown up.  She is now looking for someone else to pamper her and cater to her every whim. She wants someone who will put a roof over her head, food in her belly, pay her credit cards, not mind her shopaholic ways, and not expect anything but sex in return. There are plenty of successful, wealthy, self-absorbed men in NYC. I'm sure she could find one of them and latch onto him. She is selfish and entitled in an adolescent kind of way. I'm sure that she'll run into a few male versions of herself there, and one of them would be willing to sip Blue Label Johnny Walker Scotch as her pays off Andi's credit card bills.  

Bet2Win wrote:CH is MF's front man.  MF would pimp out his mother for ratings.

eliza3 wrote:I can see where "traditional wife" roles, or the lack there of, and the need for intellectual compatibility are huge in a relationship.   While I hope Andi doesn't say that exactly I can see where that could create issues in this particular relationship.

GuardianAngel wrote:

Laudergirl wrote:^^^^^
That's just it. If it were an issue of Andi not finding Josh to be intellectually challenging enough, or if their equally strong alpha personalities were a main reason for their problems, it would have presented itself a lot sooner IMO.
That's what I find so confusing about these theories people have. There are a lot of inconsistencies. For almost every theory I have heard about their breakup or why they have issues, I can tell you something that contradicts it. Things aren't adding up to me and I hope to get some clarity on Sunday night.

It probably did, they tried for several months, it didn't work out. IMO it's not like they woke up on red carpet day and decided after that it's not going to work out. It was brewing for awhile.

Couples get together, they date, they get to know each other, they compromise and do all the things couples do. Sometimes they get married, thinking they could change the other.

It may be a shock to hear of a break up because all they saw was one side of the coin. Actually! That just happened to me. I was leaving a store, walking across the parking lot to my car the other day, and someone pulled up to me. It was an ex co worker, my Rod Stewart concert buddy that I've known for 20+ yrs. She tells me her and her husband split and we have to get together. What???  She was so happy, she has her own apartment, and can't believe she did it. I'm like, what??? They've been married over 20 yrs. We were very close for the 8 yrs we worked together. It happens, I'm looking forward to visiting her once she's settled. Talk about blindsided!

Laudergirl wrote:^^^^^
That's just it. If it were an issue of Andi not finding Josh to be intellectually challenging enough, or if their equally strong alpha personalities were a main reason for their problems, it would have presented itself a lot sooner IMO.
That's what I find so confusing about these theories people have. There are a lot of inconsistencies. For almost every theory I have heard about their breakup or why they have issues, I can tell you something that contradicts it. Things aren't adding up to me and I hope to get some clarity on Sunday night.