The Bachelor Australia - Season 2 - Blake Garvey - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers* - MEDIA & Social Media Discussion -

allforlove i think the fact that blake was raised as an only child with 3 women looking out for him might have indeed made him feel like he was entitled unconditional support and love... but most importantly that might be most emphasized due to his mom's demeanor...she seems like such a softy who simply lets him be who he is and shower love to him... vs. his gran/auntie who are a bit tougher. I think from what we've learned about him (via how he told his story and involvement with the stripping business and his ex) he could have very likey grown up learning to maneuver his mom's feelings to get his own way with anything we wants...for this - sam is the last girl he could have picked and i felt that hunch even during the show -- i think he got hooked to her for some reason (cos she's such a strong personality) but then she was the one challenging him the most...in the real world i dunno if that's the girl he is looking for...particularly based on what his ex said -- his ex put it very precisely - that sam would be his "type" cos of her personality but while he goes after the strong personalities in reality he's an only child used to getting his own way...making him not a good match for personalities like hers.

In other words, he wimped out and didn't want to face her.

atem wrote:In other words, he wimped out and didn't want to face her.  

sounds familiar -- his ex said he never broke off their relationship she even shared a text message sent right around the time filming began



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/bachelor-blake-garvey-no-match-for-online-girlfriend-reality-stars-past-shadowy-relationship/story-fni0cvc9-1226968149162

emusha wrote:allforlove i think the fact that blake was raised as an only child with 3 women looking out for him might have indeed made him feel like he was entitled unconditional support and love... but most importantly that might be most emphasized due to his mom's demeanor...she seems like such a softy who simply lets him be who he is and shower love to him... vs. his gran/auntie who are a bit tougher. I think from what we've learned about him he could have very like grown up learning to maneuver his mom's feelings to get his own way with anything we wants...for this - sam is the last girl he could have picked and i felt that hunch even during the show -- i think he got hooked to her for some reason (cos she's such a strong personality) but then she was the one challenging him the most...in the real world i dunno if that's the girl he is looking for...particularly based on what his ex said -- his ex put it very precisely - that sam would be his "type" cos of her personality but while he goes after the strong personalities in reality he's an only child used to getting his own way...making him not a good match for personalities like hers.

I concur. 

If you examine their relationship from the start, it was Blake having convince Sam all the way through. Even to their last date before the proposal he was convincing her she was the one (their picnic in South Africa he even says he needs to let her know).

So their relationship was all about him convincing her (he loved her, he really knew her, he wanted her, he had something more special with her, etc, etc.) and basically constantly reassuring her of her doubts. 

Well, I am sure that once post-proposal their relationship only heightened the whole "Blake convincing Sam" thing and he got tired of it since he had done it all along and thought proposal would be enough to stop him having to convince/support/validate her.

The proposal was time for Sam to support HIM. And he never got that since she always had doubts throughout. 

Always goes back to childhood/only child/absent father/women coddling him/etc... He is really, as I said in that photo I posted of him as a child, a damaged person. And damaged people usually damage others. 

He definitely has the mirroring/empathy with selfish/self-sabotage unbalanced mix. But at his core, it is only about him. He told Sam she sees him to his core. His core is that he needs to be supported 100%. He is all, you support me 100% right now Sam so you see me Sam... all of me... but the reality is that Sam didn't see him to his core.. she didn't support him 100% .. she questioned him at every turn on their journey.

Y'all this is such a roller coaster in terms of what really led to the break up. So as of 3 weeks ago, he was really happy according to the interviews, at what point then did he stop feeling the support. Then how come Sam didn't call off the engagement if all that Blake had done with the other girls bothered her that much, that part makes no sense to me. The precedence set in Brad 2.0 is that the girl is the one that can't deal after seeing all the displays of emotion with the other contestants.

To me it seems that Sam really loved Blake & was willing to continue to work on their relationship. However like AllAboutLove said, Blake had probably reached his limit of not feeling support from her. Therein lies immaturity on Blake's side though, relationships are 2 sided, it's not about one person getting support, he has to give it too which I actually thought he did well during filming.

One thing still bugs me though, Blake's character has taken a severe beating in the court of public opinion & media; how come we have not heard of no anyone stepping forward to vouch for him in the media? Does he not have friends that can give an interview to at least let folks know he is not this bad person with a shady past?

Also I have a theory on the switcheroo; what if the show producers in trying to salvage the season with a love story at all cost suggested a Meisnick to Blake....they could be like Louise still loves you, how about you reach out to her to see if she's still interested or even Lisa for that matter. Like Emusha said earlier, Lisa's posting of "sisters before misters" would make more sense then because it validates that Blake indeed may have even reached out to Lisa, gotten rebuffed & then onto Louise.

Because Mike Fleiss is very much involved with Bach AU, I will not be surprised if producers engineered the Meisnick & it will corroborate what Rosie said about Channel 10 being in chaos on finale day; they were planning an AFTR for sure but what maybe after the Meisnick attempt failed, then they had to force the media blackout. I am convinced the full story will come out soon, & I think for sure the Bachie girls will be the ones to give us the full download once they are able to talk.

^^ 

I don't think Sam knew the real Blake because he hid his salacious/sleazy/harem-date side from her. He was only vulnerable, reassuring Blake with Sam. The same Blake he is with his mom, aunty, and gran. 

Imagine Sam finding out that her fiance strips and owns Alpha Male? That is the sleazy/harem-date Blake Sam never saw while on the show. How can he justify that part of him to her? Love can blind one and since Sam never had that with Blake on the show, he could have used the reason that it was all just part of the rumour mill and others attacking them. But I think this explanation didn't work forever as more and more became evident...

It would explain why she seems more pi55ed off than sad in the upcoming The Project interview (though her eyes seem to be sad in her Instagram photos as was sleuthed prior to F3, still do). 

I always said there were two Blake's. 

Sam only met the one Blake. Post-show, she began to see the other. Given her history of accepting douche-like behavior to the point that she gets her heart broken (see her picnic date with Blake) I think sometimes love is so blind you try to justify anything in your head.

The Mesnick thing... while plausible, I don't think really is possible. 

I think the two Blake's caught up with him and after showing Sam the nice Blake during the show she saw the other Blake, the one who justs dumps her. Yup, Sam really does NOW see all of Blake.

AEF wrote:Louise did retweet about her being too good for Blake.

If Blake did turn to Louise (baking and whatnot) convincing her that things with Sam had soured (and who knows if Louise even knew there was a proposal until it was made known prior to F3 dates) then Louise could have fallen for his side of the story.

But watching the final episode herself, and Blake saying "only in love with one person/Sam" would make her backpeddle from any Mesnick opportunity. Maybe the whole Brisbane thing was to try to coerce Louise to be the fall-back girl (though not because he loved her as Jason/Molly but just to save his own skin) and then that backfired on him. I think if Blake had any backup plans they all fell through so he couldn't do ATFR with either one of them, Sam (she would bring up issues) and Louise?

Louise would then be caught in a quandary, because she can't let it be known she was seeing/communicating/baking with Blake post-show. That would make her look bad considering there was a proposal and Sam accepted it.  


If those close to Sam are unfollowing Louise then that can definitely play into Blake being with Louise post-show. She would have realised by the Final ep, that Blake was stringing her along. 


If she became aware of his sleazy past/behavior/stripclub stuff, I couldn't see Louise wanting to be with someone like that (her Stepford image and all) and makes sense why she retweeted she is glad she wasn't chosen. In some ways then, by Louise still following Sam on IG, she is playing both sides to protect her Stepford image. She may have had interludes with Blake post-show but by the final episode she realized she was just one of many and there was nothing to MESNICK about at all since it wasn't real. 

mercieme wrote:

One thing still bugs me though, Blake's character has taken a severe beating in the court of public opinion & media; how come we have not heard of  no anyone stepping forward to vouch for him in the media? Does he not have friends that can give an interview to at least let folks know he is not this bad person with a shady past?

Also I have a theory on the switcheroo; what if the show producers in trying to salvage the season with a love story at all cost suggested a Meisnick to Blake....they could be like Louise still loves you, how about you reach out to her to see if she's still interested or even Lisa for that matter. Like Emusha said earlier, Lisa's posting of "sisters before misters" would make more sense then because it validates that Blake indeed may have even reached out to Lisa, gotten rebuffed & then onto Louise.

Because Mike Fleiss is very much involved with Bach AU, I will not be surprised if producers engineered the Meisnick & it will corroborate what Rosie said about Channel 10 being in chaos on finale day; they were planning an AFTR for sure but what maybe after the Meisnick attempt failed, then they had to force the media blackout. I am convinced the full story will come out soon, & I think for sure the Bachie girls will be the ones to give us the full download once they are able to talk.

that's a VERYYYYY intriguing question!! nothing is coming to the fore where people are defending blake -- it hasn't happened before in the beginning of the season either... i'm sure if sam's character came to question there will be many who will be jumping to defend her.

the only thing that is jarring in my opinion as i believe one of our fellow boardie has asked (sorry blanking on which one of us it was) it doesn't make sense for blake to cut things off so abruptly if he was indeed a man of questionable intentions... if he was playing the situation why didn't he let sam and everyone else believe he's in it for a few more weeks then found a way out...could it be cos sam isn't reacting it as he'd like it? i do think the girls are going to be bursting at the seams to go public about their opinions and this storm is only beginning...this is truly a mess -- i am still intruiged by what chloep said as well where with sam what she's portraying may not truly the full story

emusha wrote:

mercieme wrote:

One thing still bugs me though, Blake's character has taken a severe beating in the court of public opinion & media; how come we have not heard of  no anyone stepping forward to vouch for him in the media? Does he not have friends that can give an interview to at least let folks know he is not this bad person with a shady past?

Also I have a theory on the switcheroo; what if the show producers in trying to salvage the season with a love story at all cost suggested a Meisnick to Blake....they could be like Louise still loves you, how about you reach out to her to see if she's still interested or even Lisa for that matter. Like Emusha said earlier, Lisa's posting of "sisters before misters" would make more sense then because it validates that Blake indeed may have even reached out to Lisa, gotten rebuffed & then onto Louise.

Because Mike Fleiss is very much involved with Bach AU, I will not be surprised if producers engineered the Meisnick & it will corroborate what Rosie said about Channel 10 being in chaos on finale day; they were planning an AFTR for sure but what maybe after the Meisnick attempt failed, then they had to force the media blackout. I am convinced the full story will come out soon, & I think for sure the Bachie girls will be the ones to give us the full download once they are able to talk.

that's a VERYYYYY intriguing question!! nothing is coming to the fore where people are defending blake -- it hasn't happened before in the beginning of the season either... i'm sure if sam's character came to question there will be many who will be jumping to defend her.

the only thing that is jarring in my opinion as i believe one of our fellow boardie has asked (sorry blanking on which one of us it was) it doesn't make sense for blake to cut things off so abruptly if he was indeed a man of questionable intentions... if he was playing the situation why didn't he let sam and everyone else believe he's in it for a few more weeks then found a way out...could it be cos sam isn't reacting it as he'd like it? i do think the girls are going to be bursting at the seams to go public about their opinions and this storm is only beginning...this is truly a mess -- i am still intruiged by what chloep said as well where with sam what she's portraying may not truly the full story

I brought this up. I think that is exactly what he was doing... playing her and going to do the ATFR but Sam wasn't going to let it appear that it is all roses and fairy tales. He couldn't handle be challenged (again) from Sam as she did in Episode 8, so he bailed. I think he was in a lose-lose and it was easier for him to bail than be confronted on air by Sam... a la Emily/Brad... still love him.. engagement not so much.. working on it. 

If he was REALLy an honest person he would do the ATFR.. or media but I think he wanted it on his terms, painting the fairy tale as real, still engaged, but Sam wanted to let the world know they were working things out and there were issues to sort. 

Maybe he pretended with Sam and production up until near the finale (thus just a storm in a teacup), that he would be okay with that, letting people know they are working through it, but last minute chickened out ... 

He may have planned it that way ahead of time, to convince production and Sam that they would appear on media/ATFR and talk about how they are working on things..... but in reality, Blake knew that he would, right before it would all happen, quickly change his mind and say, NO, no interviews, etc. Thus,  "Blake calling the shots".

joolsss So blake runs a male stripping company and has been diagnosed with depression after the show and also jess is an escort... All from a reliable source. This show has just been full of drama! 9h
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Not sure how credible this comment is, but that caller was POSITIVE that one of the F5 was an escort or something in 'the industry'. The caller said Blake knew this already. We know Blake has his own business in this industry. Part of this could be the caller making it known he knows Blake in also in industry and/or one of the girls. 

There has to be photos of one of the F5 doing something scandalous if there is merit to them being included in this (not just Blake). We've seen photos of Blake but yet to see evidence of anyone else. Also, no evidence via social media that Sam was doing anything other than hanging out with her family and her friends/bettes. 

Have no idea why Blake would imply that Sam wanted 'different things' when there is evidence that shows he wanted different things, many women, attention, sleaze. 

I guess wait to see what comes up. If it's there it will. No one has thus far defended Blake from his personal life and he is not active in social media so we only have his publicity rounds to draw from. If all his friends/mate are part of the industry then it is no wonder they haven't said anything... 

Outside of Blake's mom/gran/aunty who is his circle of friends? what type of people are they? 
And with Sam, who are her circle of friends? 

You are who you surround yourself with. 

Sam seems to surround herself with non-shady characters. The only real criticism she has had is age/maturity related not, not being real.  


Time will tell...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/jilted-the-bachelor-winner-sam-frost-tipped-to-star-in-the-bachelorette/story-fnn7ma1h-1227080376998

these photos of blake that are coming out make me gag primarily cos of his portrayed image...:vomit:  
also

Alpha Male Entertainment, which boasts of being Perth’s “premier, non-sleazy, male entertainment provider”. Its website says it offers ­“G-string and raunchy nude shows ”

these two words in bold are completely contradictory - and P.S. NUDE SHOWS = stripping. OK BLAKE??? JUST clarifying for you in case you're confused. however "modest" blake proclaims himself to be. ughhh :shootme:  the least he could do is be upfront, real and honest. he's anything but. i actually remember during the airing of this show finding it very bizarre/got a weird feeling that blake didn't relay that he's looking for a girl with good virtues like tim had said: "honesty, integrity"
blake seemed most attracted to someone who's real/genuine and who is humble -- in this new light that we're seeing him that would be the kind of person he'd be able to read easily...i think he knew that lisa is a woman with confidence and strength of character that wouldn't take any BS from a man whereas sam - she was a bit under his spell. maybe he admires strength of character in women but ultimately wouldn't want it to deal with constantly...maybe sam provided more spunk than he could handle /than he had predicted

i wouldn't be shocked if the network wants sam for the bette maybe that's what chloep was alluding to regarding sam wanting to appear in a positive light at blake's expense - we've seen many prospective bettes playing up their sob story ahead of their signing the deal -- like andi, ali, deanna etc.

honestly i'm getting a horrible bad taste in my mouth about bachau that's reminding me of bachus... had such high hopes for it!

sam kept saying "he's perfect" well too perfect is exactly the problem! he didn't expose his many sides and she was duped into believing the side he showed her when he had no intention of keeping on playing that role. I do think it was genuine for him on that end but from his ex and his past it seems he's someone in love with the idea of falling in love...as rosie put it he wanted to keep them all  if it wasn't for sandra suly's monogamy rules
sooo many guys would sign up if sam is the bette

i agree that sam surrounds herself with good people and looks for good people -- she also seems to be the kind of looks for the good in people... with blake's side that showed her this side being the first/main appeal of him