Re: Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

by ryvetted Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:17 am

northernviewer wrote:
anders wrote:I've seen plenty of instances where JP wears scuff. Even at some RCs

True but I think he'd shave for the FRC. Ryan would be more likely to leave the scruff ... so he could look more like Brad and hope it influenced Ashley

This just cracked me up!! Good one, northern! rofl

by Guest Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:54 am

JBF wrote:
albean99 wrote:
Babycakee wrote:I read thru this thread before I watched last nights episode and was expecting JP's jealousy to be horrible, but.... when I watched it I didn't quite get what everyone was harping on. IMO, it was almost hardly worth discussing. Hardly jealously, more hurt going on than anything.

Ben is so sweet but I noticed on their date when he was kissing Ash, it was all just little "pecks" and one arm/hand at all times was just hanging to the side or propped up on the bridge... he sure didn't seem totally invested (to me).

I think the clues all pointed to JP. Her "ILY" about Ben seemed just a friendly one. There certainly didn't seem to be any emotion behind it. At this point I name Jordan Paul F1. Of course, being a woman, my opinion is subject to change. :loveflower:

Really? I thought JP came across as a petulant child last night. Apparently he doesn't understand the concept of the show. I can understand not wanting to see Ashley kissing someone but he was so OTT with the F bombs and seething when Ben wasn't back yet.

I guess you didn't see all of Ben & Ashley's kisses. Looks to me like he's got 2 hands on her. I also think it's adorable that Ashley stands on something to kiss Ben. Looks like she wants to get as close as possible. :awesome:

I'm not trying to talk anyone into thinking it's not JP though. We all see things differently which is a good thing. :Nod:

Hey! Everybody here likes Benny Boy too! Maybe not for Ashley... but we are all banking on a brunette with "things going on" waiting in the wings for him.

No, we don't see all of the heat without the aid of those burning flames nearby. I do see here... to be perfectly frank... a certain "line" these two don't cross. Ben was quick on the trigger stating "We did not share a room" when Jordan left the room. Jordan wasn't as upset at Ben as much as he was upset at the "idea" of not knowing... the whole mindf***. Now, I don't know how far he "falls for her" or how dramatic things get in the finale... will he be crying as much as Ryan? When he's crying in the hometown previews, it looks like he's thinking of his dad rather than Ashley.

This relationship reminds me of Trista and Charlie. They were great friends who somehow knew something was "off" but had to continue this for the show. However, Charlie was still somewhat shocked getting dumped... didn't he compare the experience to being hit by a bus? Obviously he got caught up in the moment... and, maybe, like Ben thought there was still a chance she and the other would have a "lovers quarrel" that would end abruptly, giving him a second chance. Heck, EVERYBODY on this show is banking on the unexpected... like... another Bentley departure?

At this point, I have no clue what will happen. I think Ashley is crying in the previews because she really, really, really likes Ben so much and can't deal with seeing him hurt. It is the show that is unfair... not anything somebody does. Yes, I could be wrong here. I just think, thanks to Fleissenstein, that the FRC hints at all of this "chase-after" drama that probably won't happen. If she can cry over dumping Ryan and Lucas... and Ames probably... maybe Dino too, I can certainly see her upset dumping Ben... like Dorothy Judy Garland saying to Scarecrow Ray Bolger: "I think I'll miss you most of all..."

Some good thoughts, JBF.... LOVE the Dorothy/Scarecrow analogy. Ben does have a similarly quirky, endearing quality!!

I was VERY impressed by how quickly Ben clarified that they'd slept apart.... very gentlemanly of him. I could name countless other TB alumni who would've lied just for their own egos...

by LibbyBell Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:59 am

cfck2222 wrote:I agree with both of you. Though Ryan's return is being hyped in the previews, Ashley's comments in the People blog made it clear she didn't have strong enough feelings for him. She sent him home so as to not lead him on and the way she talks about him in her blog sure doesn't make it seem like he's very relevant to the rest of her journey on the show. She cares for him as a person, obviously. But I'd even say this line from Ashley: "Knowing that he had a successful business back home, and such a desire to find someone, I couldn't possibly keep him away from that." is a possible hint about Ryan being the next Bachelor.

As far as what Ryan's role winds up being, I think it's related to that head/heart line Ashley speaks at one point. She knows Ryan is a good guy, sincere, and he's what her head is telling her she should want in a guy. But her heart pulls her in a different direction. It sounds like she'll have another emotional mini crisis because she hated hurting Ryan in the 1st place but I don't think he'll make her question her feelings for either F2 guy.

Crazy thought here and I have absolutely nothing to back it up but, could it be that because she gets so emotional about letting guys go and feeling like she is leading them on that PERHAPS:
1) She lets F2 go prior to the RC because she just doesn't want to hurt him anymore . She also does this, like Ali, so that there is only 1 guy there and it's no longer a "competition". But then--
2) Ryan shows up at the RC-- and "ruins the day. It was supposed to be so special and now it's ruined" (paraphrasing) because she had set it up so that it would only be her F1.

I do agree that Ryan's body build would fit BSG...
Again, just trying to think out of the box and speculate on MF's OMG moment.

by sjcaligurl Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:17 am

I don't think Ryan shows up for the rose ceremony. I think he comes during the fantasy date rotation - LCDs at the latest.

by anders Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:19 am

agreed - I think he's completely out of the mix before FRC day, otherwise they wouldn't have given us SCs of him in Fiji, they would've done a Reid and not shown them to us and sprung it on us last minute for shock value. We have SCs of him in Namale, and talking to Ash - would seriously take away the shock value to give us those caps if he were at the FRC.

by mnmhughes Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:32 am

northernviewer wrote:
anders wrote:I've seen plenty of instances where JP wears scuff. Even at some RCs

True but I think he'd shave for the FRC. Ryan would be more likely to leave the scruff ... so he could look more like Brad and hope it influenced Ashley

Haha! Maybe he just has some scruff because he arrives later in the day. I'm sure they wake them up early to get lots of VO, PI, and such. Then they shave and get ready and sit around a stew for a bit until it's their turn to go. :P

by LibbyBell Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:36 am

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't think Ryan shows up for the rose ceremony. I think he comes during the fantasy date rotation - LCDs at the latest.

anders wrote:agreed - I think he's completely out of the mix before FRC day, otherwise they wouldn't have given us SCs of him in Fiji, they would've done a Reid and not shown them to us and sprung it on us last minute for shock value. We have SCs of him in Namale, and talking to Ash - would seriously take away the shock value to give us those caps if he were at the FRC.

That was what I've felt as well since we have actual SC evidence that he is in Fiji earlier and we would have to suspend belief that he would visit her and still not get the hint that she's just not that into him and still show up at the FRC. no idea

But I know that yesterday there was a lot of discussion that said Ryan played a bigger role in the RC-- I was just trying to think how this could possibly play out.

ETA-- mnm, love your avi!! :giggle:

by Bloomers Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:41 am

Hotmomma wrote:
albean99 wrote:
Babycakee wrote:I read thru this thread before I watched last nights episode and was expecting JP's jealousy to be horrible, but.... when I watched it I didn't quite get what everyone was harping on. IMO, it was almost hardly worth discussing. Hardly jealously, more hurt going on than anything.

Ben is so sweet but I noticed on their date when he was kissing Ash, it was all just little "pecks" and one arm/hand at all times was just hanging to the side or propped up on the bridge... he sure didn't seem totally invested (to me).

I think the clues all pointed to JP. Her "ILY" about Ben seemed just a friendly one. There certainly didn't seem to be any emotion behind it. At this point I name Jordan Paul F1. Of course, being a woman, my opinion is subject to change. :loveflower:

Really? I thought JP came across as a petulant child last night. Apparently he doesn't understand the concept of the show. I can understand not wanting to see Ashley kissing someone but he was so OTT with the F bombs and seething when Ben wasn't back yet.

I guess you didn't see all of Ben & Ashley's kisses. Looks to me like he's got 2 hands on her. I also think it's adorable that Ashley stands on something to kiss Ben. Looks like she wants to get as close as possible. :awesome:

I'm not trying to talk anyone into thinking it's not JP though. We all see things differently which is a good thing. :Nod:
That is how I feel..I think Ashley enjoyed this date the most of this week..Thanks for posting these..just so darn cute..I enjoyed seeing Ashley actually laughing having a good time..

At this point in the process, I am not at all convinced that Ashley is all that far physically gone on JP. I watched her with Dino on Monday night. She talked about holding hands, but the camera focused in on her hand on his bare thigh. While they were talking, Ashley's eyes were growing bigger with interest. Physically, she is interested in Dino.

Now, look at the two pictures above. Ashley has her arms wrapped tightly around Ben, and her body is as close to his as she can get it. Now in contrast, especially in the bottom picture his two hands are just resting at slightly past her waist. His arms are not wrapped around her tightly. Ashley is the one pressing into Ben - not the other way around. Physically, Ashley is more aggressive on the kissing.

Now on the hometown picture coming up, we see a series of pictures where Ashley runs and physically throws herself into Ben's arms.

JP may well be F1. From the evidence, that is what it looks like; however, at this point, I don't think Ashley has physically dismissed the others. I just don't see any evidence of that. I personally think she is enjoying herself. :halo:

by Kashathediva Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:44 am

northernviewer wrote:
bambam64 wrote:I also think there may be more to he Ryan story that has been spoiled. I agree that he is in the works to be the next Bachelor at this point and his return is essentially his start to his season. I was a very casual viewer so maybe someone can help out with this but I hear people leave and return a lot on this show. I've also heard that sometimes someone will come back and warn the lead or cause doubt on their decision.. Like DeAnna did with Jason? Maybe Ryan comes back and tells her not to pick a certain person. Or maybe he does rejoin the running and is in attendance at the FRC. I admit that at certain glances Ryan does look like the guy Ashley is talking to.

The purpose of the return of a contestant is usually just for drama and is producer influenced. What Ryan says and does remains to be seen but I'm not seeing him play any other role for Ashley other than just being another guy that she let go. If she could get over Bentley that fast, I"m not seeing her stressing too much about letting Ryan go. I think Ash has been told that he's being considered for Bach and to just play along.... again, much like the whole Jake and Ali phone scene.

Thanks! I totally agree. SO much so I did not type ITA, but actually took the time to write the whole thing out longhand! :P

by Ayana Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:45 am

Bloomers wrote: however, at this point, I don't think Ashley has physically dismissed the others. I just don't see any evidence of that. I personally think she is enjoying herself. :halo:

by mnmhughes Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:46 am

Bloomers wrote:
Hotmomma wrote:
albean99 wrote:
Babycakee wrote:I read thru this thread before I watched last nights episode and was expecting JP's jealousy to be horrible, but.... when I watched it I didn't quite get what everyone was harping on. IMO, it was almost hardly worth discussing. Hardly jealously, more hurt going on than anything.

Ben is so sweet but I noticed on their date when he was kissing Ash, it was all just little "pecks" and one arm/hand at all times was just hanging to the side or propped up on the bridge... he sure didn't seem totally invested (to me).

I think the clues all pointed to JP. Her "ILY" about Ben seemed just a friendly one. There certainly didn't seem to be any emotion behind it. At this point I name Jordan Paul F1. Of course, being a woman, my opinion is subject to change. :loveflower:

Really? I thought JP came across as a petulant child last night. Apparently he doesn't understand the concept of the show. I can understand not wanting to see Ashley kissing someone but he was so OTT with the F bombs and seething when Ben wasn't back yet.

I guess you didn't see all of Ben & Ashley's kisses. Looks to me like he's got 2 hands on her. I also think it's adorable that Ashley stands on something to kiss Ben. Looks like she wants to get as close as possible. :awesome:

I'm not trying to talk anyone into thinking it's not JP though. We all see things differently which is a good thing. :Nod:
That is how I feel..I think Ashley enjoyed this date the most of this week..Thanks for posting these..just so darn cute..I enjoyed seeing Ashley actually laughing having a good time..

At this point in the process, I am not at all convinced that Ashley is all that far physically gone on JP. I watched her with Dino on Monday night. She talked about holding hands, but the camera focused in on her hand on his bare thigh. While they were talking, Ashley's eyes were growing bigger with interest. Physically, she is interested in Dino.

Now, look at the two pictures above. Ashley has her arms wrapped tightly around Ben, and her body is as close to his as she can get it. Now in contrast, especially in the bottom picture his two hands are just resting at slightly past her waist. His arms are not wrapped around her tightly. Ashley is the one pressing into Ben - not the other way around. Physically, Ashley is more aggressive on the kissing.

Now on the hometown picture coming up, we see a series of pictures where Ashley runs and physically throws herself into Ben's arms.

JP may well be F1. From the evidence, that is what it looks like; however, at this point, I don't think Ashley has physically dismissed the others. I just don't see any evidence of that. I personally think she is enjoying herself. :halo:

Yep, Ash is a little tiger who definitely has "touch" as her love language! Now, which guy can keep up with her stamina? :gotcha:

by Kelad9 Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:47 am

and I don't think she actually did stress over letting go Ryan. I think she was ready to let him go. IMO I think she was more "heartbroken" over letting Lucas go than Ryan. I quoted heartbroken because I don't think she really had much feelings for either guy but to me it looked like she was more upset about letting Lucas go than Ryan.

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