Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[Guest]

For crying out loud. I told myself I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore, but I just need to respond to this. I'm also going to take Andi out of this equation as best as I can too.

Nick told millions of people that Andi had sex with him. Their family and friends were watching. For goodness sake, Lauren was holding a charity event where every single person there heard that. For almost three months, Nick was holding on to the relationship he had with Andi. He tried to get into contact with her more than once. Nick wrote her a letter where he told her how much he loved her and his relationship with her. In that letter he also essentially called Josh the easy route and questioned her decision and basically asked for a second chance. I'm sure that deleted scene of Nick trashing Josh and basically mocking the Murray name didn't sit well with Josh either. Heck, two days after Josh got engaged to Andi Nick was on a plane spoiling the whole season and telling someone some pretty mean things about Josh. Saying he has a bad temper, only "eats, shits and sleeps" is mean. No way around that.

Should Josh really be saying kind and sweet things about Nick? No. No way. Also, in every single interview I have seen and heard from Josh he really hasn't said anything awful. He said he doesn't associate himself with Nick or people like him. He called Nick's comments unclassy, which they 100% were no matter which way you spin it. In the latest interview, he was asked who the biggest douche bag was in the house. Josh's response? I don't need to say his name. Wow! That's so horrendous! Considering what Nick did and not just on the ATFR, but during the almost three month period where Josh was trying to build a life and a relationship with his new fiancee and Nick was holding onto the past and trying to get Josh's fiancee back, I would say Josh has handled himself pretty damn well.  

When Nick did his media rounds, some people here said Nick should have just avoided some of the questions, particularly when he appeared to be bragging that he had sex with Andi and that it was "effortless" and they weren't "lacking any chemistry" while others thought there was no way he could possibly do that in an interview. You apparently can't avoid answering questions the way the interviewers want you to. Well, Andi and Josh are the ones being asked in the interviews about their experiences with Nick. So they should get the same pass right?

Ya, of course Nick can say he wishes them well now. He must feel better knowing he was able to embarrass and hurt both Josh and Andi on more than one occasion.

    Wonderful Ash and I agree as do others.    Thanks for defending Josh and Andi...  They are having way too much fun with each other and I am sure don't give "it" a second thought.  I only came in here to support you and your post.  All IMHO of course.      

You said perfectly what I tried to say in my last two posts! Totally agree!   

[umngirl]

I'm not someone who has followed Nick post-show really at all, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. But has Nick ever apologized for all the crappy things he's said about Josh both on the show and post-show, how he tried to track down Josh's fiance repeatedly and even went so far as to basically ask Andi for a second chance, and not to mention the now infamous question? Perhaps Josh doesn't see forgiveness and kindness as necessary because he doesn't feel like he's received that from Nick. And Nick simply wishing them well doesn't make up for all the crappy things Nick did/said.

[soccermom333]

I'm not someone who has followed Nick post-show really at all, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. But has Nick ever apologized for all the crappy things he's said about Josh both on the show and post-show, how he tried to track down Josh's fiance repeatedly and even went so far as to basically ask Andi for a second chance, and not to mention the now infamous question? Perhaps Josh doesn't see forgiveness and kindness as necessary because he doesn't feel like he's received that from Nick. And Nick simply wishing them well doesn't make up for all the crappy things Nick did/said.

Nice post and not a stupid question at all.... and no he never apologized for ALL the "crappy" things he said about Josh. I agree simply wishing them well doesn't make up for all the "crappy" things he did/said. All IMHO

[Kashathediva]

Agreed. I think it is one of the most important lessons in life, that when you have done something or someone wrong to own up to it and make a sincere apology.

[sbolduc]

As for the future, I have some questions about Nick for those of you who are keeping up with him.  

Has he hired a PR firm or agent to assist him going forward? 

It sounds like he loves Chicago and wants to stay there.  Has he said he enjoys his current work and want to continue in it? 

Has he been in contact with other male veterans of the show who live in Chicago, e.g. Frank and Ed, who might give him perspective about their experience?

I am not sure if anyone has replied to your post Tulips, I haven't been following him religiously but from what I gather on here and SM etc, it doesn't appear he has hired a PR firm or agent at this time, I could be wrong so please correct me if so. It also appears that he has returned to his job, he has been seen out with people from Salesforce.com frequently since returning home, including a VP (Vice President) from his office (this I believe was after the show was done). For the most part he seems to be hanging out mostly with friends he had prior to the show, with the exception of Nick S, who lives in Chi-town, and JJ came to see him for Lolla.

I have not seen him in contact with Frank or Ed or other big alums, at least not publicly.

[sbolduc]

Agreed. I think it is one of the most important lessons in life, that when you have done something or someone wrong to own up to it and make a sincere apology.

Absolutely, one thing I respect most is a person who can admit when they are wrong, put their ego aside and apologize. At this point I just want to be happy for all three parties, Andi and Josh as a couple and Nick as an individual, that is why I hope that all three of them just LET IT GO.

I hope they all learnt something from this experience. Not one of them is perfect or innocent in any of this.

[Ash2214]

Agreed. I think it is one of the most important lessons in life, that when you have done something or someone wrong to own up to it and make a sincere apology.

Absolutely, one thing I respect most is a person who can admit when they are wrong, put their ego aside and apologize. At this point I just want to be happy for all three parties, Andi and Josh as a couple and Nick as an individual, that is why I hope that all three of them just LET IT GO.

I hope they all learnt something from this experience. Not one of them is perfect or innocent in any of this.

I would say Josh is innocent, considering when you look at the roles Andi and Nick played in this scenario.

[Kashathediva]

The tricky part is knowing when and if you do a wrongdoing. We all have trouble and wrestle with this. I know I do at times. It's not something I'm proud of; it's a human issue I try to work through.
Yanno, Ash for me, I have enough difficulty on a daily basis taking care of me and my goof ups--I am not going to take what celebs on a reality show do seriously or attempt to interpret or judge them. At least I hope I won't/don't.
I'm even glad Emily found happiness. Now Effie---I can't go there yet. But I don't wish him ill!   

[sdmom]

I'm not someone who has followed Nick post-show really at all, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. But has Nick ever apologized for all the crappy things he's said about Josh both on the show and post-show, how he tried to track down Josh's fiance repeatedly and even went so far as to basically ask Andi for a second chance, and not to mention the now infamous question? Perhaps Josh doesn't see forgiveness and kindness as necessary because he doesn't feel like he's received that from Nick. And Nick simply wishing them well doesn't make up for all the crappy things Nick did/said.

Nice post and not a stupid question at all.... and no he never apologized for ALL the "crappy" things he said about Josh.  I agree simply wishing them well doesn't make up for all the "crappy" things he did/said.  All IMHO

He said he wished he could have taken back the things he said about Josh when being asked about the video. He said he didn't intend to hurt Andi and wished he could have asked the question more delicately. He said Josh is a great guy and Andi is a great girl.

[Acrunch]

For crying out loud. I told myself I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore, but I just need to respond to this. I'm also going to take Andi out of this equation as best as I can too.

Nick told millions of people that Andi had sex with him. Their family and friends were watching. For goodness sake, Lauren was holding a charity event where every single person there heard that. For almost three months, Nick was holding on to the relationship he had with Andi. He tried to get into contact with her more than once. Nick wrote her a letter where he told her how much he loved her and his relationship with her. In that letter he also essentially called Josh the easy route and questioned her decision and basically asked for a second chance. I'm sure that deleted scene of Nick trashing Josh and basically mocking the Murray name didn't sit well with Josh either. Heck, two days after Josh got engaged to Andi Nick was on a plane spoiling the whole season and telling someone some pretty mean things about Josh. Saying he has a bad temper, only "eats, shits and sleeps" is mean. No way around that.

Should Josh really be saying kind and sweet things about Nick? No. No way. Also, in every single interview I have seen and heard from Josh he really hasn't said anything awful. He said he doesn't associate himself with Nick or people like him. He called Nick's comments unclassy, which they 100% were no matter which way you spin it. In the latest interview, he was asked who the biggest douche bag was in the house. Josh's response? I don't need to say his name. Wow! That's so horrendous! Considering what Nick did and not just on the ATFR, but during the almost three month period where Josh was trying to build a life and a relationship with his new fiancee and Nick was holding onto the past and trying to get Josh's fiancee back, I would say Josh has handled himself pretty damn well.  

When Nick did his media rounds, some people here said Nick should have just avoided some of the questions, particularly when he appeared to be bragging that he had sex with Andi and that it was "effortless" and they weren't "lacking any chemistry" while others thought there was no way he could possibly do that in an interview. You apparently can't avoid answering questions the way the interviewers want you to. Well, Andi and Josh are the ones being asked in the interviews about their experiences with Nick. So they should get the same pass right?

Ya, of course Nick can say he wishes them well now. He must feel better knowing he was able to embarrass and hurt both Josh and Andi on more than one occasion.

Thank you! Very well said! Seems like when a Nick says hurtful things the sentiment is that he's entitled and perfectly in his right but Josh just has to forgive and take his insults, mocking and disrespect with a smile. There is zero reason why Josh should feel anything but extreme dislike for the F2 and that's because of Nick's actions, not anyone elses. If interviewers are referring to him with the d word it is because of what Nick did at the AFR, not because anything Josh or Andi have said.

I don't buy now and never have that Nick genuinely wishes them well. He's talked too much smack and been too consistent with his words and actions since the airplane video for me to believe he has changed his tune and is sincere in wishing them happiness. In my gut I feel that when Nick asked his question on national live television...a big and vindictive part of him was hoping the news came as surprise to Josh and that in learning about it, Josh would have dumped Andi on the spot.

[Cecilia]

I'm not someone who has followed Nick post-show really at all, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. But has Nick ever apologized for all the crappy things he's said about Josh both on the show and post-show, how he tried to track down Josh's fiance repeatedly and even went so far as to basically ask Andi for a second chance, and not to mention the now infamous question? Perhaps Josh doesn't see forgiveness and kindness as necessary because he doesn't feel like he's received that from Nick. And Nick simply wishing them well doesn't make up for all the crappy things Nick did/said.

Nice post and not a stupid question at all.... and no he never apologized for ALL the "crappy" things he said about Josh.  I agree simply wishing them well doesn't make up for all the "crappy" things he did/said.  All IMHO

Actually he did apologize and has been WAY more respectful in post show interviews than Andi and Josh.

[Ash2214]

The tricky part is knowing when and if you do a wrongdoing. We all have trouble and wrestle with this. I know I do at times. It's not something I'm proud of; it's a human issue I try to work through.
Yanno, Ash for me, I have enough difficulty on a daily basis taking care of me and my goof ups--I am not going to take what celebs on a reality show do seriously or attempt to interpret or judge them. At least I hope I won't/don't.  
I'm even glad Emily found happiness. Now Effie---I can't go there yet. But I don't wish him ill!   

I'm confused as to why this post is directed at me, especially since there are a few people involved with this discussion right now and given the words used, I'm not sure if you're trying to put words in my mouth or what. I've never wished ill will to any of the contestants, including Nick. I'm giving my thoughts on him, just like others here have given their thoughts on Andi...  

For me, it's as simple as Andi made mistakes. Nick made mistakes. I don't know where their heads were at when they did and said the things they did. Only they know. For me, all I know is, Andi shouldn't have slept with Nick, but she did for her own reasons. I don't think Nick should have said any of the sh*t things he said about numerous people, but he did for his own reasons. I'm not sure where I've wished any of them ill will, because I haven't. I don't know these people, but I'm sure in real life - outside of the bubble, they're all great. I'm in agreement though that maybe if there were sincere apologizes given, particularly on Nick's side, then none of us would be having this debate right now because it wouldn't be such a topic.

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