Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

by quietpal Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:21 am

albean99 wrote:I don't love the direction this discussion has taken. It seems to be criticizing some members for not believing that Josh was the f1. This board has always taken sleuthing seriously. I don't think it's a good thing for anyone to be laughed at for not buying into the spoilers or clues no matter how ridiculous anyone else finds it. It was only one Bachelorette season ago that the spoilers were wrong and some persistent sleuthers were right.

Thanks for this! I think that's why there was still sleuthing going on, even with clues, because of what happened last year. I think that's what makes this enjoyable, at least for me.

by albean99 Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:29 am

luvlady345 wrote:I don't know how the other Josh or Andi fans felt but I am just going to speak for myself, all season long it felt like if you believed that Josh was F1 and their fan you were called out by the MODS more than anything, it felt to me that most MODS didn't like Josh or Andi (which is ok) so it was hard for me to feel that it was fair and balanced just like in this thread it's the Josh/Andi fans who are constantly put on blast.... Don't mean to offend anyone but, just wow...

I'm sorry you feel that way but it's hard to know what you mean without specifics. We try to stick to what should or shouldn't be in a thread and also following the rules. The rules are very clear that criticizing or making fun of fellow members is off limits. Discussing or criticizing Nick here is fine and I don't believe anyone has been prevented from doing that. I've been busy a lot but know that the mods & GA have been kept very busy in all the threads.

Let me also add that it's impossible to keep track of everything so we rely on members reporting posts. Sometimes we can just give a warning and other times we have to delete posts. If you have questions please ask at the time. There will be times it feels more one sided if there's a thread getting out of control or if there are several reported posts.

by soccermom333 Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:38 am

SueSt wrote:
albean99 wrote:I don't love the direction this discussion has taken. It seems to be criticizing some members for not believing that Josh was the f1. This board has always taken sleuthing seriously. I don't think it's a good thing for anyone to be laughed at for not buying into the spoilers or clues no matter how ridiculous anyone else finds it. It was only one Bachelorette season ago that the spoilers were wrong and some persistent sleuthers were right.

Thanks for your comments Albean.
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I probably should stay away from this thread but here it goes.... "Jodi" fans are allowed to hang out in any thread they want as long as they are respectful and follow the rules. Yes, we are in the Jodi threads too "celebrating' as you say, but some also like a good discussion too. I also like to keep up with other couples, and other shows.

When someone states an opinion that is different from someone else, it is not meant to discredit any contestant or member of the board, simply state the opposing view. IMHO. Smiley

by albean99 Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:50 am

Ash2214 wrote:^ Well, in regards to luvlady345's comment, I would say there is a recent post just a couple of posts up essentially asking why Josh or "jodi" fans are posting in here.

You have to give us time to deal with things. That would have been a perfect post to report if a mod wasn't here. Sometimes better than to comment on it.

by Ash2214 Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:07 am

albean99 wrote:
Ash2214 wrote:^ Well, in regards to luvlady345's comment, I would say there is a recent post just a couple of posts up essentially asking why Josh or "jodi" fans are posting in here.

You have to give us time to deal with things. That would have been a perfect post to report if a mod wasn't here. Sometimes better than to comment on it.

Thanks for the heads up! There were quite a few of those today unfortunately. I'll remember that option for next time if needed. Thanks!

by emusha Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:48 am

http://digital.modernluxury.com/publication/?i=219714&ver=html5&p=54#{"page":54,"issue_id":219714}

worth looking on this article - interview with andi the first one ever where she talks about the finale and to compare it with Nick's misgivings about how she "explained away" her relationship with him

looks like she def changed tune by the AFTR - http://ow.ly/A4i5H

by soccermom333 Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:04 am

emusha wrote:http://digital.modernluxury.com/publication/?i=219714&ver=html5&p=54#{"page":54,"issue_id":219714}

worth looking on this article - interview with andi the first one ever where she talks about the finale and to compare it with Nick's misgivings about how she "explained away" her relationship with him

looks like she def changed tune by the AFTR - http://ow.ly/A4i5H

Josh and Andi posted this article on their twitters and instagrams. Both were very proud of it. It has been discussed before. Smiley

But of course you have the right bring it up again. Hugesmile

by happygolucky Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:58 am

Without wanting to add the fuel to the fire ... and I sincerely hope the awkward conversation has died ... I really have no problem with either fan coming here and join the discussion ... for what this thread is created - Nick (good & bad, positive & negative) ...

I do tho' sometimes feel like I need to "defend" Nick in regard to Josh and Andi relationship ... which to me is futile.

So speaking for myself (don't want to put words in everyone's mouth from team Nick):
Josh and Andi relationship during the show and Nick and Andi relationship during the show are 2 different and separate relationships.
If Nick's fans are discussing Andi and her conduct during the show and post show is because she was "Nick's girlfriend for a minute" and "a possible fiancee for a second" ... it has nothing to do with Josh or his relationship with Andi ...
it's Andi alone ... and her attitude and behavior in relation to Nick that is put in question, that is put under microscope (for the pleasure of discussion).

I don't feel the need to talk about Josh or defend Nick for how he made Josh feel with his declarations/comments ... because frankly, Josh is the other guy who got the girl out of this game, Nick is the loser who not only lost the girl, but has realized he never actually had her.
And as a Nick's fan ... I'm extremely happy that Nick didn't end up with Andi (so he can thanks his lucky star) and I'm happy for Josh to have a girlfriend he dreamed of (because people should find their happiness) and if I ever feel the need to discuss Josh and his feelings I would go in his thread ...but I don't, because I don't care, no matter how great of a guy he is ... doesn't ignite any particular interest in me to know more of what I've seen during the show.

That's why it is fascinating how much of an interest Nick cumulates.
With every act, every word, every gesture, every attire, every tweet, retweet, favorites, every photo, every other relationship outside of the show.

by unknown82 Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:46 am

happygolucky wrote:Without wanting to add the fuel to the fire ... and I sincerely hope the awkward conversation has died ... I really have no problem with either fan coming here and join the discussion ... for what this thread is created - Nick (good & bad, positive & negative) ...

I do tho' sometimes feel like I need to "defend" Nick in regard to Josh and Andi relationship ... which to me is futile.

So speaking for myself (don't want to put words in everyone's mouth from team Nick):
Josh and Andi relationship during the show and Nick and Andi relationship during the show are 2 different and separate relationships.
If Nick's fans are discussing Andi and her conduct during the show and post show is because she was "Nick's girlfriend for a minute" and "a possible fiancee for a second" ... it has nothing to do with Josh or his relationship with Andi ...
it's Andi alone ... and her attitude and behavior in relation to Nick that is put in question, that is put under microscope (for the pleasure of discussion).

I don't feel the need to talk about Josh or defend Nick for how he made Josh feel with his declarations/comments ... because frankly, Josh is the other guy who got the girl out of this game, Nick is the loser who not only lost the girl, but has realized he never actually had her.
And as a Nick's fan ... I'm extremely happy that Nick didn't end up with Andi (so he can thanks his lucky star) and I'm happy for Josh to have a girlfriend he dreamed of (because people should find their happiness) and if I ever feel the need to discuss Josh and his feelings I would go in his thread ...but I don't, because I don't care, no matter how great of a guy he is ... doesn't ignite any particular interest in me to know more of what I've seen during the show.

That's why it is fascinating how much of an interest Nick cumulates.
With every act, every word, every gesture, every attire, every tweet, retweet, favorites, every photo, every other relationship outside of the show.

Nick in my book is a winner! Yes, he "lost" the girl and for a moment he has to deal with a little heartache but it sure beats spending a lifetime of anguish and pain if he ended up with Andi. Nick is better off without her, got the closure he needed, got his side of the story out there, and has been moving on from that chapter in his life. I am thankful he got to see her true colors so that if for some crazy reason he ever thinks what if in the future, he will always be reminded of her cold exterior towards him at ATFR. And I am pretty confident that Nick will not want to end up with somebody like that, IMHO.

by emusha Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:23 am

soccermom333 wrote:
emusha wrote:http://digital.modernluxury.com/publication/?i=219714&ver=html5&p=54#{"page":54,"issue_id":219714}

worth looking on this article - interview with andi the first one ever where she talks about the finale and to compare it with Nick's misgivings about how she "explained away" her relationship with him

looks like she def changed tune by the AFTR - http://ow.ly/A4i5H

Josh and Andi posted this article on their twitters and instagrams. Both were very proud of it. It has been discussed before. But of course you have the right bring it up again.

hu?? I'm making a point in the interview not to make josh and andi not be proud of the interview but point out how Andi changed tune significantly between this interview and what she said about Nick at the AFTR... the second link described how Nick saw her at AFTR and felt like she was explaining away his relationship ....this interview that andi gave substantiates and provides proof for that point...I haven't been keeping up with the thread and I don't really have much interest in rooting for someone over another I'm just saying what I see. Thx.

by Lucas15 Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:27 am

jlccaz wrote:Finally, US Weekly (which mostly has the facts straight over the years) and Life & Style basically also spoiled the season a few weeks out, by writing stories that left out the names Josh and Nick but otherwise completely spilled the beans. The tabloids spilled the season as they almost always do.

Quoting this because I think it's such an important lesson for sleuthers, at least near the air date of the finale. Not all tabloids are created equal; some are more "equal" than others even though tabloids in general are a part of generating "buzz" about the show and drawing viewers in. The upper echelon is US Weekly, Life & Style and People. People always seems to get the photoshoot spread and interview with the lead and F1, and this is done shortly before the finale airs so it can get through printing and distribution and on the newsstands while the finale is still news. People is a big part of generating interest for the media blitz that follows the finale.

US Weekly and / or Life & Style get inside information from the show so they can write an accurate article and publish it before the finale airs. They usually don't "spoil" the ending but they spoil the storyline and tell you what happened without using actual names. If you read what they publish before the finale you really have a very accurate idea of what's going to be shown and all you have to do is connect a name to the storyline and you will know the ending. Anytime we get withing about two weeks of the finale I always pay attention to what this one or two tabloids publish because I know it's going to be based on inside information.

by happygolucky Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:58 am

Lucas15 wrote:US Weekly and / or Life & Style get inside information from the show so they can write an accurate article and publish it before the finale airs. They usually don't "spoil" the ending but they spoil the storyline and tell you what happened without using actual names. If you read what they publish before the finale you really have a very accurate idea of what's going to be shown and all you have to do is connect a name to the storyline and you will know the ending. Anytime we get withing about two weeks of the finale I always pay attention to what this one or two tabloids publish because I know it's going to be based on inside information.

True.
Tho' that doesn't mean that's what actually happened or what people from the story really thought about - since the source is TPTB.
One of those articles was saying how the runner-up is bitter, wanting her back ... today we know that the F2 is Nick ... so that is attributed to him ... but I have big doubts that any of those magazines actually talked to Nick in person or got his side of the story. And that story fits perfectly well in the picture, so who wants to believe it, it's going to. Of course everyone can find the clues to support their theory once they are convinced to know the verdict. It's all about perception and conviction... and that's the beauty of grey area, so much room [feelings] to play with.

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