Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[mindless]

 
Mindless, your sharp intellect brings me to my knees.
You are awesome!!    

Aww, thanks. And no I'm not a lawyer.   More of a scientist.

We can't know what he really thinks precisely because he's been smart about his comments regarding them.

Nick hasn't always been smart about his comments. He said this about Josh:

he’ll do whatever she wants. He’s not that…he didn’t open up, he just kinda…he just eats, sleeps, and sh*ts and like, has a bad temper, and…you know, and…I mean, he’s really competitive yeah…he’s super emotional, he’s really insecure, and…he’s incredibly set in his ways

And this about Andi:

The only great thing she's done is kept me around
she’s incredibly stubborn and if someone is passive aggressive and bottles it up …

So I guess when he thinks no one is listening, this is what he thinks about them.

I'm not sure many people are thinking all that clearly after just getting their heart broken. And what he said about Josh is probably what he saw while on the show with him. Josh said himself that Nick tried to be his friend but no one really liked him, so I suppose Josh kept things to himself at least when Nick was around. Nick didn't get to see the Josh Andi got to see, and I'm sure he's realized that after watching the show.

What he said about Andi is all true. Doesn't mean he can't love a person with such characteristics, just means he's not blind.

[stuckinsc]

To add to this discussion. Josh said no one liked Nick in the house. Not true, since we know at least JJ and Marquel liked him.

But after the show only Josh, Marcus and Cody seem to have a problem with Nick.

Many have thought it was because Nick got dumped too.

I propose another theory. The guys watched the show. They saw Andi respond and encourage Nick every time he did something they thought made him a jerk. They began to see that truly, except for Josh, Nick was the only guy she really opened herself too. None of the rest of them. So maybe after seeing that Nick might have acted like what they thought was a jerk, but in the end, he was doing what Andi wanted.

Why don't Cody and Marcus feel that way? No idea. I think Marcus spent three weeks of the season on BiP and who knows how much of the rest he actually watched. Cody? Seriously, I am just not even going there.

So maybe, if Josh could watch without Andi piping in his ear about her hurt feelings, he might not hate Nick so much either. I kind of wish he would, because maybe it would help Andi to move on and get over needing to comment about Nick.

[Sable]

We can't know what he really thinks precisely because he's been smart about his comments regarding them.

Nick hasn't always been smart about his comments. He said this about Josh:

he’ll do whatever she wants. He’s not that…he didn’t open up, he just kinda…he just eats, sleeps, and sh*ts and like, has a bad temper, and…you know, and…I mean, he’s really competitive yeah…he’s super emotional, he’s really insecure, and…he’s incredibly set in his ways

And this about Andi:

The only great thing she's done is kept me around
she’s incredibly stubborn and if someone is passive aggressive and bottles it up …

So I guess when he thinks no one is listening, this is what he thinks about them.

When that plane video was taken, Nick had just let go by Andi and at that time he was very devastated. Honestly, what he said was not that bad considering what had just happened. Some things that Josh and Andi publicly said about Nick were a lot worse, imo, than what Nick said about them when he thought he was having a private conversation with his parents. For me personally, I always cut the F2 a little bit of slack for what they might say at the FRC or immediately after the show. I know that Clare took some flack for things she said to JP at the FRC after he rejected her, and I did not fault her for that because being the F2 she was extremely hurt. Similarly, I guess we know how Josh and Andi feel about Nick because they keep taking every opportunity to bash him in their interviews instead of simply saying 'no comment'.

[ironcat]

I doubt Andi's behavior is being viewed as being a "sore winner" by most of the fans out there.  By people who already don't like her?  Certainly.   But since talking about Nick is only one of many topics that the interviewers have been discussing with her and Josh, whatever comments she is making about Nick, however derogatory, are just small insignificant blips.  OTOH, the only reason that Nick got as much post show media interest as he did was because of the sex bomb, so of course it was the only subject all the interviewers were interested in discussing with him, and as such, had he taken an aggressively resentful attitude in his interviews about what happened, he would have come across as nothing more than a sore loser IMO.  And therein lies the difference.

Well of course fans of Andi don't mind her comments about Nick, since they agree with her, but for people on the fence, they do say something about her.

I'm not sure what your point is exactly. That Nick actually hates Andi and Josh, but can't admit to it, because he'd be seen as a sore loser? We can't know what he really thinks precisely because he's been smart about his comments regarding them. It's all assumptions. However, we don't need to assume what Andi thinks, since she's made it clear repeatedly and is still making it clear weeks later. That is the difference. And it is a bit contradictory that she claims they're over it and it's in the past, yet she's still making snippy comments. You would think he did something way worse than confirm something that was already heavily implied, and that she claims to not be ashamed of. He didn't break her heart or lead her on. Why all the hate?

I don't think it is only fans of Andi that aren't all bent out of shape about her disdain for Nick.  I wouldn't consider myself a fan of Andi, actually, she just doesn't bother me enough to dislike her.  I think she has some negative traits, but so does almost everyone out there, including Nick and Josh, and each one of us.  My point is that to the average viewer of the show, I don't believe their impression of Andi now, if they have heard some of her post show comments, has changed to finding her to be a sore winner.   Just like despite the heartbreak that Nick went through at the end, while it may have gained him some more compassion from some viewers, it still hasn't reversed the average fan's opinion of him as the "villain" of the piece.  (Compare this to what happened on Brad's first season, where he went, in one night, from being a very popular lead to the worst one in the average fan's mind because he dumped both women.)

So based on that, it wouldn't behoove Nick at all to start actively ragging on Andi in the media, as it will only make him look worse, and he surely knows this.   Whether that's the reason he's remaining gracious or it's because he is truly so wonderful a human being, I couldn't say, and neither can anyone else with any certainty, unless they know him personally.

[luvlady345]

To be fair, that was a point in time right after the show. All he knew at that point is she led him on all season, and slept with him then let him go.

Everything post show has been incredibly mature on Nick's part IMO.

Really? Trying to contact someone else's fiancee'? By writing her letters telling her she made a mistake, posting pictures of them on SM, saying that his sister couldn't watch the FS.... For me personally Nick is like the never ending breakup..... She broke up with him in DR, regardless if he knew that she was engaged to Josh or not she broke it off with him so what was the point? Even if she wasn't with Josh she didn't want him and that point was made after the times he tried to contact her.....

[luvlady345]

LOPL, Nick should have said "no comment" instead of continuing to talk about their night in the FS on his media spree, but he didn't he even added more detail...

[sdmom]

To add to this discussion.  Josh said no one liked Nick in the house.  Not true, since we know at least JJ and Marquel liked him.

But after the show only Josh, Marcus and Cody seem to have a problem with Nick.

About Marcus:
He sent a nice tweet to Nick when he lost his uncle. I have to say, that shows a lot of Marcus' maturity, kindness and empathy, regardless his feelings for Nick.

[stuckinsc]

To add to this discussion.  Josh said no one liked Nick in the house.  Not true, since we know at least JJ and Marquel liked him.

But after the show only Josh, Marcus and Cody seem to have a problem with Nick.

About Marcus:
He sent a nice tweet to Nick when he lost his uncle. I have to say, that shows a lot of Marcus' maturity, kindness and empathy, regardless his feelings for Nick.

I agree, funny thing, a lot of us are fans of both Marcus and Nick. They may not really like each other, but there is no need to dislike one for the other. Amazing isn't it?

[Lucas15]

To be fair, that was a point in time right after the show. All he knew at that point is she led him on all season, and slept with him then let him go.

Everything post show has been incredibly mature on Nick's part IMO.

Not all of the comments I quoted Nick as having said about Andi were at a point in time that was right after the show. One of them:

The only great thing she's done is kept me around.

Was something he said during filming when he was courting Andi, before the Fantasy Suite and before she broke up with him, at a time when I would have expected him to be singing her praises because that's the girl he wanted to marry. He knew there was a camera recording what he said because it was right in his face. IMHO that's a very demeaning thing to say about anyone, to say nothing about the ego required to express such a thought.

Though I don't really buy into the logic that Nick's heartbreak after being dumped requires some understanding and a "pass" for what he said, then why is it not equally fair to give Andi and / or Josh a pass after what Nick said to Andi on the ATFR? And BTW I don't give Andi a pass either, just saying that what's good for the goose should be equally good for the gander.

[MiaHawk]

To be fair, that was a point in time right after the show. All he knew at that point is she led him on all season, and slept with him then let him go.

Everything post show has been incredibly mature on Nick's part IMO.

Not all of the comments I quoted Nick as having said about Andi were at a point in time that was right after the show. One of them:

The only great thing she's done is kept me around.

Was something he said during filming when he was courting Andi, before the Fantasy Suite and before she broke up with him, at a time when I would have expected him to be singing her praises because that's the girl he wanted to marry. He knew there was a camera recording what he said because it was right in his face. IMHO that's a very demeaning thing to say about anyone, to say nothing about the ego required to express such a thought.

Though I don't really buy into the logic that Nick's heartbreak after being dumped requires some understanding and a "pass" for what he said, then why is it not equally fair to give Andi and / or Josh a pass after what Nick said to Andi on the ATFR? And BTW I don't give Andi a pass either, just saying that what's good for the goose should be equally good for the gander.

Lucas, you know and I know that the bolded line above was said ITM as a sarcastic joke. No way, no how, you will convince me otherwise.

As for giving all 3 of them a pass...I can give them all a pass on their show and post-show comments because IMO they are all young and immature. I can also watch this highly edited tv show and post show behavior and come to a conclusion on who I have more respect for and why.

[MiaHawk]

I'm very confused:

LOPL, Nick should have said "no comment" instead of continuing to talk about their night in the FS on his media spree, but he didn't he even added more detail...

“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.”

― Bernard M. Baruch

[Ash2214]

I'm very confused:

LOPL, Nick should have said "no comment" instead of continuing to talk about their night in the FS on his media spree, but he didn't he even added more detail...

“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.”

― Bernard M. Baruch

I agree. If people think this is fine for Nick, the same should be said for Josh and Andi.

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