Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[Alanna]

I've asked this before on the Andi/Josh thread, but I'd be curious to know whether, if the situation had been reversed, and Nick was engaged to Andi now, and Josh had behaved the way Nick had, if people feel that Nick would now be treating Josh with such respect and graciousness?

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Gee - I think Nick already told us what he'd do - he'd be out walking his dog named Murray.

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LMAO!! Simply hilarious. Well played, Lucas.

[mindless]

I do think it's much easier for Nick to take the role of the "gracious loser" now, and say how much he wishes the best for the happy couple, because, really, what else could he say at this point?  The only alternative to how he is conducting himself would make him out to be a very obvious whiny sore loser.  He is certainly not stupid enough to go this route.

Yet Andi seems to have no trouble presenting herself as a sore winner. Maybe she is stupid enough.  :hidingchair 

[ironcat]

I do think it's much easier for Nick to take the role of the "gracious loser" now, and say how much he wishes the best for the happy couple, because, really, what else could he say at this point?  The only alternative to how he is conducting himself would make him out to be a very obvious whiny sore loser.  He is certainly not stupid enough to go this route.

Yet Andi seems to have no trouble presenting herself as a sore winner. Maybe she is stupid enough.  :hidingchair 

I doubt Andi's behavior is being viewed as being a "sore winner" by most of the fans out there. By people who already don't like her? Certainly. But since talking about Nick is only one of many topics that the interviewers have been discussing with her and Josh, whatever comments she is making about Nick, however derogatory, are just small insignificant blips. OTOH, the only reason that Nick got as much post show media interest as he did was because of the sex bomb, so of course it was the only subject all the interviewers were interested in discussing with him, and as such, had he taken an aggressively resentful attitude in his interviews about what happened, he would have come across as nothing more than a sore loser IMO. And therein lies the difference.

[mindless]

I doubt Andi's behavior is being viewed as being a "sore winner" by most of the fans out there.  By people who already don't like her?  Certainly.   But since talking about Nick is only one of many topics that the interviewers have been discussing with her and Josh, whatever comments she is making about Nick, however derogatory, are just small insignificant blips.  OTOH, the only reason that Nick got as much post show media interest as he did was because of the sex bomb, so of course it was the only subject all the interviewers were interested in discussing with him, and as such, had he taken an aggressively resentful attitude in his interviews about what happened, he would have come across as nothing more than a sore loser IMO.  And therein lies the difference.

Well of course fans of Andi don't mind her comments about Nick, since they agree with her, but for people on the fence, they do say something about her.

I'm not sure what your point is exactly. That Nick actually hates Andi and Josh, but can't admit to it, because he'd be seen as a sore loser? We can't know what he really thinks precisely because he's been smart about his comments regarding them. It's all assumptions. However, we don't need to assume what Andi thinks, since she's made it clear repeatedly and is still making it clear weeks later. That is the difference. And it is a bit contradictory that she claims they're over it and it's in the past, yet she's still making snippy comments. You would think he did something way worse than confirm something that was already heavily implied, and that she claims to not be ashamed of. He didn't break her heart or lead her on. Why all the hate?

[stuckinsc]

I doubt Andi's behavior is being viewed as being a "sore winner" by most of the fans out there.  By people who already don't like her?  Certainly.   But since talking about Nick is only one of many topics that the interviewers have been discussing with her and Josh, whatever comments she is making about Nick, however derogatory, are just small insignificant blips.  OTOH, the only reason that Nick got as much post show media interest as he did was because of the sex bomb, so of course it was the only subject all the interviewers were interested in discussing with him, and as such, had he taken an aggressively resentful attitude in his interviews about what happened, he would have come across as nothing more than a sore loser IMO.  And therein lies the difference.

Well of course fans of Andi don't mind her comments about Nick, since they agree with her, but for people on the fence, they do say something about her.

I'm not sure what your point is exactly. That Nick actually hates Andi and Josh, but can't admit to it, because he'd be seen as a sore loser? We can't know what he really thinks precisely because he's been smart about his comments regarding them. It's all assumptions. However, we don't need to assume what Andi thinks, since she's made it clear repeatedly and is still making it clear weeks later. That is the difference. And it is a bit contradictory that she claims they're over it and it's in the past, yet she's still making snippy comments. You would think he did something way worse than confirm something that was already heavily implied, and that she claims to not be ashamed of. He didn't break her heart or lead her on. Why all the hate?

Because as she showed us with JPG, Eric and now Nick.  If you dare to question Andi you get hate.  I find that immature and self-centered.  Others find it awesome.

Once again, good for Nick.  He is going on with his life and doesn't need to make snippy comments or favor negative tweets about Andi.  Maybe she will get over him enough one day to do the same. IMO.

[SueSt]

I do think it's much easier for Nick to take the role of the "gracious loser" now, and say how much he wishes the best for the happy couple, because, really, what else could he say at this point?  The only alternative to how he is conducting himself would make him out to be a very obvious whiny sore loser.  He is certainly not stupid enough to go this route.

Yet Andi seems to have no trouble presenting herself as a sore winner. Maybe she is stupid enough.  :hidingchair 

  
Mindless, your sharp intellect brings me to my knees.
You are awesome!!   

[SueSt]

I doubt Andi's behavior is being viewed as being a "sore winner" by most of the fans out there.  By people who already don't like her?  Certainly.   But since talking about Nick is only one of many topics that the interviewers have been discussing with her and Josh, whatever comments she is making about Nick, however derogatory, are just small insignificant blips.  OTOH, the only reason that Nick got as much post show media interest as he did was because of the sex bomb, so of course it was the only subject all the interviewers were interested in discussing with him, and as such, had he taken an aggressively resentful attitude in his interviews about what happened, he would have come across as nothing more than a sore loser IMO.  And therein lies the difference.

Well of course fans of Andi don't mind her comments about Nick, since they agree with her, but for people on the fence, they do say something about her.

I'm not sure what your point is exactly. That Nick actually hates Andi and Josh, but can't admit to it, because he'd be seen as a sore loser? We can't know what he really thinks precisely because he's been smart about his comments regarding them. It's all assumptions. However, we don't need to assume what Andi thinks, since she's made it clear repeatedly and is still making it clear weeks later. That is the difference. And it is a bit contradictory that she claims they're over it and it's in the past, yet she's still making snippy comments. You would think he did something way worse than confirm something that was already heavily implied, and that she claims to not be ashamed of. He didn't break her heart or lead her on. Why all the hate?

Mindless, are you a lawyer??
Your ability to present a clear, concise and convincing argument are incredibly impressive.
True to the bolded; Andi can't let it go.
Like the lawyer she is, she still looking to win her argument, but the jury is definitely still hung...

Also want to respond to ironcat's comment....
I actually liked Andi throughtout the season (didn't see JPG's season) and definitely thought she was in love with Nick, despite her protests.
I have no problem with her choosing Josh or even saying she was not in love with Nick (although I personally wouldn't believe her).
My issue is with the way she treated Nick, a man that was in love with her... She slept with him and then proceeded to treat him with coldness and disdain. So, yeah, I'd call her a sore winner.

[Lucas15]

We can't know what he really thinks precisely because he's been smart about his comments regarding them.

Nick hasn't always been smart about his comments. He said this about Josh:

he’ll do whatever she wants. He’s not that…he didn’t open up, he just kinda…he just eats, sleeps, and sh*ts and like, has a bad temper, and…you know, and…I mean, he’s really competitive yeah…he’s super emotional, he’s really insecure, and…he’s incredibly set in his ways

And this about Andi:

The only great thing she's done is kept me around
she’s incredibly stubborn and if someone is passive aggressive and bottles it up …

So I guess when he thinks no one is listening, this is what he thinks about them.

[sbolduc]

I've asked this before on the Andi/Josh thread, but I'd be curious to know whether, if the situation had been reversed, and Nick was engaged to Andi now, and Josh had behaved the way Nick had, if people feel that Nick would now be treating Josh with such respect and graciousness?

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Gee - I think Nick already told us what he'd do - he'd be out walking his dog named Murray.

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Hahah well done Lucas well done   

[Kashathediva]

 I would hate for people to hear me on some of my "private rants".   :hidingchair  

[sdmom]

^^^ The phone conversation happened a day or 2 after he was dumped. The first time he got his phone back without his handler. He admitted he was a mess and wished he could have taken the things he said about Josh back.
Was Nick wrong to have a private conversation in a public place? Yes, definitely!! Has he shown regrets of what he'd said? Yes!! Did he pay the price for his mistakes? Yes!!!
Have I said/done things that I wish I would never said/done? 100%!!! I am just glad no one tapes me without my knowledge and even follows me to take more pictures of me.
I absolutely hope Nick's learned his lessons and not to make the same mistakes again.

ETA: GA, we posted at the same time  :cutesmile!: 
I am just glad Nick's been keeping quiet and used his fame for a charity since 8/7. (He also participated in another charity even 2 months ago)

[GuardianAngel]

To be fair, that was a point in time right after the show. All he knew at that point is she led him on all season, and slept with him then let him go.

Everything post show has been incredibly mature on Nick's part IMO.

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