Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[Catdwoman50]

How many months has it been since the release of that video?  I just can't believe it's still a major point of discussion by Jodi fans.  Some just don't seem to want to give it up and move on.  I'm just not sure what the point is.  Are we now "discussing" who really spoiled the season?  And how many months old is that discussion?  Does anyone really care at this point?

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[Ash2214]

^ It was brought up, because if you read a few pages back, you can see there's an ongoing discussion about clues and spoilers that we all received throughout the season that involved both Josh and Nick fans. Not just one or the other. Some people are stating that the Murray's, Andi and Josh were the ones who really declared the outcome and others are stating that Nick's plane videos are what declared the outcome. Simple as that.

Trust me, I would gladly enjoy not having to write about Nick or his plane videos, but if there are comments that state SM clues were more at fault than videos that were recorded two days after the finale took place with the F2 guy sharing his thoughts and comments about how everything went down, well, of course I'm going to state my opinion.

[luvlady345]

How many months has it been since the release of that video?  I just can't believe it's still a major point of discussion by Jodi fans.  Some just don't seem to want to give it up and move on.  I'm just not sure what the point is.  Are we now "discussing" who really spoiled the season?  And how many months old is that discussion?  Does anyone really care at this point?

Evidently some do an I like how every discussion on this thread are the Jodi fans, let's get real and be honest it's both...

[ironcat]

Regarding the post about still waiting/hoping for a happy ending, my interpretation was that the poster was referring to what would be a happy ending for her personally, which I assume would be a Mesnick, a Jodi breakup, or some other form of Nick validation/triumph. But only the original poster knows.

[GuardianAngel]

I totally respect your opinion! But I have a question. With the bolded, wasn't the video, other than the RS spoiler, the first thing that truly, 100% confirmed the outcome of the season? While we all assumed Andi would pick Josh, we didn't know 100%. The second the videos were released, which was pretty soon after the finale was filmed, most people were confident of the spoiled outcome. Nick is certainly not stupid, while he might not have known someone would record his words, he probably knew people were hearing his conversation. That didn't stop him from saying a few things that if I was behind him, I would have known what he was talking about too. Just like the woman who sent RS the videos who had no preconceived notion of Nick said Nick was "broadcasting" everything he said on the plane. This woman said the whole plane could hear him. The woman next to him even had to tell him to be quiet and he didn't listen. I don't have an issue with him calling a loved one to vent, I would do the same, but he could have been way more discreet. He knowingly spoke on the phone extremely loud. He apparently didn't care if people heard what he was saying. I think it's a bit of a contradiction to allude to the SM clues as what confirmed the outcome of the show, when in reality, Nick's video did just that.

In the end, the videos of Nick were the first confirmation of the spoiled outcome. Heck, it was recorded two days after the finale was filmed and completed. We got them on the very first day of the season airing.

For sure, I certainly agree with you. It was the first confirmation of the outcome other than RS spoiling the ending before that. Other than the ones that thought it might be a foiler, which when analyzing everything, it could have been a possibility. Considering the other foilers of past season, nothing is discounted when sleuthing, whether its obvious to some and not others.

I meant the outcome of the drama at ATFR wouldn't have changed regardless of the plane vid. Also if the plane vid didn't happen, there still would have been IMO the same amount of SM clues. Andi and Josh favouring tweets left right and centre. Dawg nation congratulating him, and on and on. I don't think they did all this because the plane vid existed.

I'm one of those that agree, Nick shouldn't have spoken on the phone in a plane, but I also don't think he did it intentionally to spoil the season. Did Andi favouriting FD pics of Josh and not Nick, or MM and sis posting pics of Andi and Josh or lake pics or sushi pics tweeted by both of them, there are too numerous to mention. Did they do it on purpose? They still would have done all that regardless of the plane vid, so therefore that's why I say whether the plane vid existed or not, the outcome would have been the same.

Once this thread is inactive for 30 days or so, then we'll archive it, until then, as long as a discussion is going on, whether it may be fruitless to some, to be fair to others, it will remain open.  :Nod:

[stuckinsc]

So, I am a fan of the Murrays as a whole. I defended MM for the social media, but many felt she was spoiling. It confirmed nothing, but was suspect.

Why does Lauren Murray need to be defended? No one is calling her a bad person, and my post in particular said that she only had two posts that were questionable. Not everything is an attack.

I maybe odd here, but I like to see complete people, so I admit when Nick makes a mistake and I can admit that those two posts from MM were a bit spoilery. I still like both, those things don't make me dislike them.

How boring would people be if they were perfect?

[Lucas15]

I'm one of those that agree, Nick shouldn't have spoken on the phone in a plane, but I also don't think he did it intentionally to spoil the season. Did Andi favouriting FD pics of Josh and not Nick, or MM and sis posting pics of Andi and Josh or lake pics or sushi pics tweeted by both of them, there are too numerous to mention. Did they do it on purpose? They still would have done all that regardless of the plane vid, so therefore that's why I say whether the plane vid existed or not, the outcome would have been the same.

I completely agree. I could say a lot of other things about the plane video but I've already said most of them before and I think jlccaz said them better than I ever could, but it wasn't an intentional act to spoil the show. Why would he possibly want to do that anyway? What might he have gained by spoiling it? It doesn't make sense. The spoiler was released before the video so with or without it, the season was spoiled.

I don't think that the video changed the trajectory of the ATFR either, though there's a slight possibility that hearing some of the things Nick said in the video influenced Andi's decision not to meet with Nick beforehand. But even if she had met with Nick when he requested, it would have been filmed and shown and I don't have any reason to believe that anything would have been different, other than we would have been looking at a filmed meeting instead of a live one.

[Ash2214]

So, I am a fan of the Murrays as a whole.  I defended MM for the social media, but many felt she was spoiling.  It confirmed nothing, but was suspect.  

Why does Lauren Murray need to be defended?  No one is calling her a bad person, and my post in particular said that she only had two posts that were questionable.  Not everything is an attack.

I maybe odd here, but I like to see complete people, so I admit when Nick makes a mistake and I can admit that those two posts from MM were a bit spoilery.  I still like both, those things don't make me dislike them.

How boring would people be if they were perfect?

I didn't necessarily mean to word it as defending her. I just wanted to make sure that it was known she didn't post that her son was engaged, just that there was a possibility of it. Just with the way the post was worded it made it seem like she did say he was engaged and since we were on the topic of clues and who kind of declared the ending of the show, I didn't want anyone to think she posted the ending. All good

[stuckinsc]

Saw this on FB and thought it was a good message for everyone.

[Ash2214]

See for me, I can't hold a grudge for someone that I don't personally know. It's as simple as someone sharing an opinion and if I agree with it and I feel like responding, I'll respond if I have the free time. If I disagree and feel like responding, I'll respond if I have the free time. I don't know any of these people. What I post are simply my opinions on what I saw on my television. Posting here is just another fun aspect that ties in with watching the show. I liked what I saw from Josh and there were some things that I didn't like about Nick, but like I have repeatedly stated, I'm sure he's a good guy in real life and I wish him the best.

While I understand and appreciate the sentiment, I sincerely hope for everyone here that no one holds any grudges over any of the people involved with show. I would hate for anyone here to be that affected by these silly people on this silly television show. In my opinion, this should all be fun and games and people sharing opinions back and forth - whether they are positive or negative.

[albean99]

I don't love the direction this discussion has taken. It seems to be criticizing some members for not believing that Josh was the f1. This board has always taken sleuthing seriously. I don't think it's a good thing for anyone to be laughed at for not buying into the spoilers or clues no matter how ridiculous anyone else finds it. It was only one Bachelorette season ago that the spoilers were wrong and some persistent sleuthers were right.

[SueSt]

I don't love the direction this discussion has taken. It seems to be criticizing some members for not believing that Josh was the f1. This board has always taken sleuthing seriously. I don't think it's a good thing for anyone to be laughed at for not buying into the spoilers or clues no matter how ridiculous anyone else finds it. It was only one Bachelorette season ago that the spoilers were wrong and some persistent sleuthers were right.

Thanks for your comments Albean.  

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