Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

Ash2214 wrote:I truly don't understand it. We all sit here judging who is good or bad and we don't even know these people. Andi had almost two months worth of experiences with Juan Pablo and Nikki is her close friend. Josh has heard all of that.

You're all asking Josh who does he think he is to judge who is good or bad, technically, aren't we all doing the same? At least Josh has real life experiences to go off of in regards to Juan Pablo. We all sit here judging people that we don't even know.

Just like you all don't like Josh or Andi, Josh doesn't like Juan Pablo.

I agree we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, so you are right Josh may have every right to say what he is saying and he and Andi may have every right to not liking JP, we don't know the full store, HOWEVER what rubs me the wrong way is:

1. Publicly making a negative statement about someone's character
2. That statement being about your fiance's friend, who may or may not be in your wedding, and who may or may not still be dating that person you are making the statement about

I have no idea if Andi has justification for not liking JP, but what I really don't like is her saying these things (and now Josh) about JP when he was dating one of your supposed closest friends. True friends support you even when you are dating someone they don't like. If I were a public figure and any of my friends were bashing my boyfriend to media outlets, they would no longer be my friend. You just don't do that to true friends. IMO.

Laudergirl wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I think if these quotes are false, it will come out in the wash very soon and be refuted.

I actually don't think it will be refuted, even if false.  These tabloids state quotes all the time that aren't real. They never refute them unless legal action is taken and I doubt Josh or Andi would go to the trouble over this since it's pretty trivial stuff. This is how trash tabloids work, but they certainly have people talking here don't they? I take anything out of the rag mags with a grain of salt. "People" is the only one I even consider somewhat truthful.

And from what I've actually heard Josh say in radio interviews, he doesn't pay attention to the tabloids. He laughs them off. I doubt he gives any of this stuff a second thought or feels the need to defend himself. It's probably the same with the rumors and speculation about his family. He knows the real deal, as do those close to him, and that's all that really matters.  

I'm just so surprised at how people took this tabloid article as gospel.

Yes these magazines can mis-quote people or make people think they are reading a direct quote by saying: "according to an inside source Josh has said..." so in that case I don't really believe what the tabloid is saying. But if it said: "in speaking with Josh at such and such event he said: QUOTE" then IMO there is definitely some truth to what he said, and the magazine didn't completely make it up..

sbolduc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:I truly don't understand it. We all sit here judging who is good or bad and we don't even know these people. Andi had almost two months worth of experiences with Juan Pablo and Nikki is her close friend. Josh has heard all of that.

You're all asking Josh who does he think he is to judge who is good or bad, technically, aren't we all doing the same? At least Josh has real life experiences to go off of in regards to Juan Pablo. We all sit here judging people that we don't even know.

Just like you all don't like Josh or Andi, Josh doesn't like Juan Pablo.

I agree we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, so you are right Josh may have every right to say what he is saying and he and Andi may have every right to not liking JP, we don't know the full store, HOWEVER what rubs me the wrong way is:

1. Publicly making a negative statement about someone's character
2. That statement being about your fiance's friend, who may or may not be in your wedding, and who may or may not still be dating that person you are making the statement about

I have no idea if Andi has justification for not liking JP, but what I really don't like is her saying these things (and now Josh) about JP when he was dating one of your supposed closest friends. True friends support you even when you are dating someone they don't like. If I were a public figure and any of my friends were bashing my boyfriend to media outlets, they would no longer be my friend. You just don't do that to true friends. IMO.

I hear what you are saying re bashing your friend's boyfriend etc. But remember as well, this is a very natural situation. Because in this case, two now close friends dated the same guy! How many of us share that experience with our closest friends? Furthermore, Andi was very vocal about her disdain for JP before so I guess she's being true to herself by doing the same now. I hear you that perhaps a bit more tact was needed, but ...to thine own self be true.

Laudergirl wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I think if these quotes are false, it will come out in the wash very soon and be refuted.

I actually don't think it will be refuted, even if false.  These tabloids state quotes all the time that aren't real. They never refute them unless legal action is taken and I doubt Josh or Andi would go to the trouble over this since it's pretty trivial stuff. This is how trash tabloids work, but they certainly have people talking here don't they? I take anything out of the rag mags with a grain of salt. "People" is the only one I even consider somewhat truthful.

And from what I've actually heard Josh say in radio interviews, he doesn't pay attention to the tabloids. He laughs them off. I doubt he gives any of this stuff a second thought or feels the need to defend himself. It's probably the same with the rumors and speculation about his family. He knows the real deal, as do those close to him, and that's all that really matters.  

I'm just so surprised at how people took this tabloid article as gospel.

I mean the couple (JODI) will refute them and say the rag is false. Should it be the case. I somehow think it will not be.

whit90 wrote:In the Life and Style magazine Josh says :

“He’s not coming,” Josh tells Life & Style. “Just good people. No people whose character I just don’t like.”

I guess if they only want good people at their wedding then Josh and Andi will not be at their own wedding.

Based on what is on the Life & Style website, this is a direct quote from Josh obtained in an exclusive interview with the couple.  It isn't a pseudo-quote from an anonymous  source.  Andi attempts to soften the quote by stating they won't have any exes at the wedding.  That's confusing since several of the guys from her season are reportedly on the guest list?  Maybe she means real exes, not reality exes.  

Josh will find out soon enough that they have very little actual control over the wedding when TPTB are footing the bill.

I don't think there is anything in the works currently with TPTB.

Kashathediva wrote:I don't think there is anything in the works currently with TPTB.

Well it's hard to believe that TPTB passes on Des and chris's wedding and Josh and Andi's. According to CH they do like showing the weddings for the fans becuase they have followed the couples journey to finding love. He kinda acted that it would be shown. I bet if they ask CH to officiate the wedding it would be televised for sure.

CH is a front man for the show, albeit a successful one. Think puppet. He gets a salary. He makes no major decisions concerning the show, unless picking out a tie for filming counts. He will say whatever the show tells him to and has. This guy is a walking talking billboard for the show--clown.
TPTB were not even concerned about showing a decent ATFR for this couple.

Kashathediva wrote:CH is a front man for the show, albeit a successful one. Think puppet. He gets a salary. He makes no major decisions concerning the show, unless picking out a tie for filming counts. He will say whatever the show tells him to and has. This guy is a walking talking billboard for the show--clown.
TPTB were not even concerned about showing a decent ATFR for this couple.

I disagree. I don't think CH is a mere puppet. I do think he has some influence especially as he is the one that relates closest to the cast of the show. For example, the decision of Chris versus Arie, while I don't think he had the final say, I do believe that his opinion counted for much. CH even said that they had a heated debate after AFTR re the selection for the Bachelor. So I do think he holds weight. And given that CH loves Andi so much as he proclaimed in AFTR (something I don't recall him ever doing for any other Bachelorette, I do think he's a huge supporter of Andi and would push for their wedding being televised, IMO.

CH says this for every single 'ette. I can not recall him saying otherwise. It's part of his schtick. 
If he loved her so much, and had so much influence, the ATFR would have been far different that what it was.  The ATFR spoke volumes.

IMO CH's opinion does not count for much with regards to the weddings rather it's the powers that be at ABC...it's all about the Benjamin's that come from ratings for the network. And IMO that's the single determinant as to whether or not a wedding will be televised especially with the latest success rate of the franchise....nothing goes for nothing.

FLChica wrote:

whit90 wrote:In the Life and Style magazine Josh says :

“He’s not coming,” Josh tells Life & Style. “Just good people. No people whose character I just don’t like.”

I guess if they only want good people at their wedding then Josh and Andi will not be at their own wedding.

Based on what is on the Life & Style website, this is a direct quote from Josh obtained in an exclusive interview with the couple.  It isn't a pseudo-quote from an anonymous  source.  Andi attempts to soften the quote by stating they won't have any exes at the wedding.  That's confusing since several of the guys from her season are reportedly on the guest list?  Maybe she means real exes, not reality exes.  

Josh will find out soon enough that they have very little actual control over the wedding when TPTB are footing the bill.

I think by "exes" she means people she's had sex with. JMO.