Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

mercieme wrote:IMO CH's opinion does not count for much with regards to the weddings rather it's the powers that be at ABC...it's all about the Benjamin's that come from ratings for the network. And IMO that's the single determinant as to whether or not a wedding will be televised especially with the latest success rate of the franchise....nothing goes for nothing.

I agree and i dont see how the can paint a fairytale romance with Andi after the whole having sex with The other guy. IMO

see2love wrote:

mercieme wrote:IMO CH's opinion does not count for much with regards to the weddings rather it's the powers that be at ABC...it's all about the Benjamin's that come from ratings for the network. And IMO that's the single determinant as to whether or not a wedding will be televised especially with the latest success rate of the franchise....nothing goes for nothing.

I agree and i dont see how the can paint a fairytale romance with Andi after the whole having sex with The other guy. IMO

See, I totally disagree. I feel Josh and Andi have one of the best love stories, but they have been unfortunate this season in having a few firsts for the franchise that have taken the focus off of their love for each other as a couple. First, the tragic death of Eric, then Nick and the fact that he couldn't let go and his FS revelation. To me, it's more the fact that it was publicized to the world that they had sex that hurts the "fairytale" image. Not so much the fact that it happened, because we know that several leads before them have had sex with their F2 or F3 and still had a great love story with their F1 and even a TV wedding.

I, personally love the dynamic between these two. Their funny banter and obvious chemistry makes them more fun for me to watch and follow on SM and I think they would be very entertaining in a wedding special, especially if they filmed more of the family and friends interactions, because it seems like a very fun, lively group. I know there are plenty that don't like them as individuals or a couple, but that is just my opinion. I think this could be one of the more romantic and entertaining bachelor/ette weddings yet.

Laudergirl wrote:

see2love wrote:

mercieme wrote:IMO CH's opinion does not count for much with regards to the weddings rather it's the powers that be at ABC...it's all about the Benjamin's that come from ratings for the network. And IMO that's the single determinant as to whether or not a wedding will be televised especially with the latest success rate of the franchise....nothing goes for nothing.

I agree and i dont see how the can paint a fairytale romance with Andi after the whole having sex with The other guy. IMO

See, I totally disagree. I feel Josh and Andi have one of the best love stories, but they have been unfortunate this season in having a few firsts for the franchise that have taken the focus off of their love for each other as a couple. First, the tragic death of Eric, then Nick and the fact that he couldn't let go and his FS revelation. To me, it's more the fact that it was publicized to the world that they had sex that hurts the "fairytale" image. Not so much the fact that it happened, because we know that several leads before them have had sex with their F2 or F3 and still had a great love story with their F1 and even a TV wedding.

I, personally love the dynamic between these two. Their funny banter and obvious chemistry makes them more fun for me to watch and follow on SM and I think they would be very entertaining in a wedding special, especially if they filmed more of the family and friends interactions, because it seems like a very fun, lively group. I know there are plenty that don't like them as individuals or a couple, but that is just my opinion. I think this could be one of the more romantic and entertaining bachelor/ette weddings yet.

see2love wrote:

mercieme wrote:IMO CH's opinion does not count for much with regards to the weddings rather it's the powers that be at ABC...it's all about the Benjamin's that come from ratings for the network. And IMO that's the single determinant as to whether or not a wedding will be televised especially with the latest success rate of the franchise....nothing goes for nothing.

I agree and i dont see how the can paint a fairytale romance with Andi after the whole having sex with The other guy. IMO

This is just a question. Considering Juan Pablo certainly slept with Clare on his FD and she told everyone that on the finale and he most likely slept with Nikki and perhaps Andi, would you feel like that couple wouldn't be able to have a fairytale romance/wedding? Minus Sean, all the leads do it. Unfortunately for them, it was made public.

And therein is my point. I am not saying they are not in love and wont live happily ever after. Just saying the fact that it is out there that she had sex with Nick will make it difficult to paint as a fairytale. Especially to the public who see fairytales as "untainted"

Ashley could have slept with her F3, but no one knew. And that is the point. Andi saying her vows abput how she fell in love with him will give every news outlet and rag magazine A field day to ridicule them. It really isn't a pretty fairytale story.

see2love wrote:And therein is my point. I am not saying they are not in love and wont live happily ever after. Just saying the fact that it is out there that she had sex with Nick will make it difficult to paint as a fairytale. Especially to the public who see fairytales as "untainted"

I will politely disagree.  No fairytale was without obstacles in the journey.  This one had a very difficult obstacle because a certain someone could not take the rejection.  But to see she was completly honest with Josh and he knew this was a different process and loved her enough to get past that.  In my eyes this is a fairytale for Josh and Andi.

see2love wrote:And therein is my point. I am not saying they are not in love and wont live happily ever after. Just saying the fact that it is out there that she had sex with Nick will make it difficult to paint as a fairytale. Especially to the public who see fairytales as "untainted"

I disagree. If we judge off of their SM (the both of them are very popular in regards to followers) there are hardly any negative comments. The only negativity I see whatsoever in regards to them are articles from Celebrity Dirty Laundry, so it's not even from legitimate press. As sad as this is because I personally don't view sex this way, I think that for most people, they are in agreement that sex is just sex. It's sad that more people don't view it as more than that, but in our society, that's the way it goes. And again, regardless if it's told to the public or not, the "fantasy suite" is enough for the viewers to know that sexual acts happen in there. People aren't stupid.

Personally, I don't need to view a couple or their romance from this show as a "fairytale" in order to watch their wedding. I watched Ashley and JP's wedding and I never even watched their season. I watched Sean and Catherine's wedding and I certainly didn't think they had a "fairytale" love. I wanted to watch because I wanted to see the aesthetics of it all. Most people that watch this show do so for entertainment purposes on Monday nights. They don't get attached to the couples and therefore would just watch the wedding for the heck of it and not because of their love and story.

nannymargie wrote:

see2love wrote:And therein is my point. I am not saying they are not in love and wont live happily ever after. Just saying the fact that it is out there that she had sex with Nick will make it difficult to paint as a fairytale. Especially to the public who see fairytales as "untainted"

I will politely disagree.  No fairytale was without obstacles in the journey.  This one had a very difficult obstacle because a certain someone could not take the rejection.  But to see she was completly honest with Josh and he knew this was a different process and loved her enough to get past that.  In my eyes this is a fairytale for Josh and Andi.

Let's be honest here. There's absolutely no relationship on earth that is a fairytale. We need to get that utopic view of love out of our system. I do think however, that Andi and Josh have true lasting love - they were able to overcome - with relative ease (at least in the eyes of the public) something that was very disgraceful and disrespectful. That was one of the biggest tests of their relationship and Josh proved that he can be her rock and that he'd stand by her side for better or for worse. So to me, that's what I look forward to seeing in a TV wedding - a couple that is able to stand against all odds. I want to celebrate with them in their triumph.

Oh well, differing views and all. I know i will have a hard time believing the fairytale( not real life) TB like to portray when i know she slept with Nick just before the proposal. There is a distinction between real life and what the Bachelor francise tries to sell us. I agree with you all that there are challenges in real life situation and it makes couples stronger. But lets be honest here, this show and all the weddings like to feed the fairytale and romantic nature of the viewer and the fact that we all know what went down with Nick......that will be a hard sell to me.

By the same token, good luck to them and i hope it works out for them long term

aviej wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

see2love wrote:And therein is my point. I am not saying they are not in love and wont live happily ever after. Just saying the fact that it is out there that she had sex with Nick will make it difficult to paint as a fairytale. Especially to the public who see fairytales as "untainted"

I will politely disagree.  No fairytale was without obstacles in the journey.  This one had a very difficult obstacle because a certain someone could not take the rejection.  But to see she was completly honest with Josh and he knew this was a different process and loved her enough to get past that.  In my eyes this is a fairytale for Josh and Andi.

Let's be honest here. There's absolutely no relationship on earth that is a fairytale. We need to get that utopic view of love out of our system. I do think however, that Andi and Josh have true lasting love - they were able to overcome - with relative ease (at least in the eyes of the public) something that was very disgraceful and disrespectful. That was one of the biggest tests of their relationship and Josh proved that he can be her rock and that he'd stand by her side for better or for worse. So to me, that's what I look forward to seeing in a TV wedding - a couple that is able to stand against all odds. I want to celebrate with them in their triumph.

Love this! I so agree!!!