Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

stuckinsc wrote:

nannymargie wrote:The only time we are invited to my stepchildren's is when they are cooking or something special is going on.  Other than that if we want to visit we just go over.  We sure do not wait to be invited to visit them.

Has your in law child accused you of not cutting the cord and made fun of you as immature?  If they did would you feel free to go over whenever you wanted?  I am not trying to fight, I really am not.  But Andi in her words that she spoke at Josh's HTD made it abundantly clear that Josh need to separate himself and not be as close to the Murrays.  If I had heard those words, I would wait for an invitation.  

I just wonder if MM was showing up in ATL, would people be criticizing her for not letting him go and not cutting the cord.

We do know that if invited MM is happy to show up.  

I am not trying start any fights either just stating my point of view.  We have to remember that we saw 2 minutes of a longer conversation. IMO it was an extended conversation that Andi and Josh had at the baseball field that they were all going on their separate ways now. Josh wants to get married and have a family of his own and that would be his life.   Since Josh moved to Atl and Aaron trying to get in the NFL.  Andi was wondering if the cord would be cut between Aaron and Josh not his mom and dad because MM said she assumed that Josh would always want to go to Aaron's games. I would have to rewatch HTD but I think that is what I am remembering.

The more I think about it, there has to be a good reason for the unfollowing on twitter.  I agree it's strange but would love to hear some other theories besides Kacie vs. Andi or Murray Brothers fighting.  All we have to go by is SM habits and what we've seen on the show.  Lets not think the worst. This family is very close and have been thru a lot together.

From what I've seen on the show, Josh is the type of man who loves his family to death and is very protective of them.  He probably not let anything petty come between them. I think if he had an issue with Kacie, he would address directly with Aaron and Kacie.  We saw him on the show  address andrew directly in one episode to get Andrew's side of the story and move on from there..

I also believe if Josh did have problem with his family, Andi will do her best to help bring them together to work things out.  I know it would make her sad to see her man unhappy.  BTW: Josh does not look sad or unhappy in any of his recent pics..

It it possible??

-They've set up other private twitter accounts?  

-Is there a feature on twitter that blocks people from seeing who you follow?  

-Maybe they have accounts on another app...i.e snap chat and communicate that way?  Seems like Andi and Josh are really using twitter for business purposes and promoting etc... lately

Josh is very protective of his family, so I can see him unfollowing them to protect them from the SM crazies and negative comments.

Right now, it looks like Josh is only following his sister Steph.  I don't think that will change.  Maybe he wants to keep an eye on her since she's away in college.  

Any other theories besides family drama?

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Steel2009 wrote:The more I think about it, there has to be a good reason for the unfollowing on twitter.  I agree it's strange but would love to hear some other theories besides Kacie vs. Andi or Murray Brothers fighting.  All we have to go by is SM habits and what we've seen on the show.  Lets not think the worst. This family is very close and have been thru a lot together.

From what I've seen on the show, Josh is the type of man who loves his family to death and is very protective of them.  He probably not let anything petty come between them. I think if he had an issue with Kacie, he would address directly with Aaron and Kacie.  We saw him on the show  address andrew directly in one episode to get Andrew's side of the story and move on from there..

I also believe if Josh did have problem with his family, Andi will do her best to help bring them together to work things out.  I know it would make her sad to see her man unhappy.  BTW: Josh does not look sad or unhappy in any of his recent pics..

It it possible??

-They've set up other private twitter accounts?  

-Is there a feature on twitter that blocks people from seeing who you follow?  

-Maybe they have accounts on another app...i.e snap chat and communicate that way?  Seems like Andi and Josh are really using twitter for business purposes and promoting etc... lately

Josh is very protective of his family, so I can see him unfollowing them to protect them from the SM crazies and negative comments.

Right now, it looks like Josh is only following his sister Steph.  I don't think that will change.  Maybe he wants to keep an eye on her since she's away in college.  

Any other theories besides family drama?

Bringing this forward, as it's an excellent post IMO!

Just caught up reading this thread and smgate. If I were Josh's mother, there are several things that would cause me concern as his mother and I would discuss these things with him:

1. The way Andi spoke to JPG after the FD.
2. The way Andi spoke to Eric, and yelled at the rest of the guys.
3. Sleeping with another man within a few days of getting engaged to my son.
4. The hypocrisy she exhibited at the AFTR with Nick regarding what happens in the FS is private ~ she outed what happened in the FS with JPG.

If MM had this type of conversation with Josh, I could see it being problematic for Josh.

That's strange if I was MM none of those things would have been a concern for me.

Bet2Win wrote:Just caught up reading this thread and smgate.  If I were Josh's mother, there are several things that would cause me concern as his mother and I would discuss these things with him:

1.  The way Andi spoke to JPG after the FD.
2.  The way Andi spoke to Eric, and yelled at the rest of the guys.
3.  Sleeping with another man within a few days of getting engaged to my son.
4.  The hypocrisy she exhibited at the AFTR with Nick regarding what happens in the FS is private ~ she outed what happened in the FS with JPG.

If MM had this type of conversation with Josh, I could see it being problematic for Josh.

Regarding #1 & #4: What hypocrisy? She didn't mention anything about whether she did or didn't have sex with JPG. Just the fact that she was hurt that he didn't ask her any questions or try to get to know her and that he said she was there by default and that he had brought up the fact that he had spent the night with Claire. How is that similar to her conversation with Nick and discussing their intimate time? Totally different. We're not comparing apples to apples here.

Regarding #2: She was dramatic, yes, and may have overreacted, but that conversation could have been interpreted different ways, with either party not handling it perfectly.

Regarding #3: Again, it's not unheard of for the lead to sleep with the ones they have feelings for and are considering ending up with. It's the process on this show. People keep forgetting that. She could have slept with three guys, but showed class in sending Chris home.

Josh gets it and gets Andi. He knows the process. Why would MM need to get involved here?

luvlady345 wrote:That's strange if I was MM none of those things would have been a concern for me.

ITA! Very delayed reaction as well. Mamma Murray doesn't strike me as someone who would be so judgmental.

Regarding the main topic being debated...so many accusations, so much judgement, so much unsubstantiated over the top speculation on things that we know nothing about and quite frankly is not any of our business. JMO. Carry on.

nannymargie wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

nannymargie wrote:The only time we are invited to my stepchildren's is when they are cooking or something special is going on.  Other than that if we want to visit we just go over.  We sure do not wait to be invited to visit them.

Has your in law child accused you of not cutting the cord and made fun of you as immature?  If they did would you feel free to go over whenever you wanted?  I am not trying to fight, I really am not.  But Andi in her words that she spoke at Josh's HTD made it abundantly clear that Josh need to separate himself and not be as close to the Murrays.  If I had heard those words, I would wait for an invitation.  

I just wonder if MM was showing up in ATL, would people be criticizing her for not letting him go and not cutting the cord.

We do know that if invited MM is happy to show up.  

I am not trying start any fights either just stating my point of view.  We have to remember that we saw 2 minutes of a longer conversation. IMO it was an extended conversation that Andi and Josh had at the baseball field that they were all going on their separate ways now. Josh wants to get married and have a family of his own and that would be his life.   Since Josh moved to Atl and Aaron trying to get in the NFL.  Andi was wondering if the cord would be cut between Aaron and Josh not his mom and dad because MM said she assumed that Josh would always want to go to Aaron's games. I would have to rewatch HTD but I think that is what I am remembering.

I went back and rewatched it! Andi said to MM:" Are you worried that the cord been cut, now that Aaron is goining of and play for a team, is that worry you at all! " She didnt say Josh have to cut the cord or accused MM nof not cutting the cord!!! IMO thas a huge diffrenz!!! Also, Andi didnt say they are all immature, she said that Steffi has the most mature prospectiv, that not all will be happy sunshine and fun, that there will be fights and that they have to work through it. Making fun about somebody in my family and with my friends is totaly diffrend!!!. IMO Andi attitude was not bad at all, in the end they played all footballe where happy and laughed a lot

I suppose it all depends on personal opinions. They would all be concerns of mine, and I don't even know them. If it were my son, and I had that conversation with him, he wouldn't be too happy with me. I would voice my opinion, so he knew how I felt, but at the end of the day, wish him well and move on.

There are many accusations and judgements in all of the other general discussion threads as well. It's all part of speculating and discussing opinions.

Laudergirl wrote:

Bet2Win wrote:Just caught up reading this thread and smgate.  If I were Josh's mother, there are several things that would cause me concern as his mother and I would discuss these things with him:

1.  The way Andi spoke to JPG after the FD.
2.  The way Andi spoke to Eric, and yelled at the rest of the guys.
3.  Sleeping with another man within a few days of getting engaged to my son.
4.  The hypocrisy she exhibited at the AFTR with Nick regarding what happens in the FS is private ~ she outed what happened in the FS with JPG.

If MM had this type of conversation with Josh, I could see it being problematic for Josh.

Regarding #1 & #4: What hypocrisy? She didn't mention anything about whether she did or didn't have sex with JPG. Just the fact that she was hurt that he didn't ask her any questions or try to get to know her and that he said she was there by default and that he had brought up the fact that he had spent the night with Claire. How is that similar to her conversation with Nick and discussing their intimate time? Totally different. We're not comparing apples to apples here.

Regarding #2: She was dramatic, yes, and may have overreacted, but that conversation could have been interpreted different ways, with either party not handling it perfectly.

Regarding #3: Again, it's not unheard of for the lead to sleep with the ones they have feelings for and are considering ending up with. It's the process on this show. People keep forgetting that. She could have slept with three guys, but showed class in sending Chris home.

Josh gets it and gets Andi. He knows the process. Why would MM need to get involved here?

Good question. And given that the whole reason Josh was on the show in the first place is that his mom "absolutely loved" Andi, I'm not sure Lauren would have much of a leg to stand on if she were suddenly to start expressing concerns about anything Andi said or did on JPG's season.

Well if it was a concern for any mother, the best advise would be to tell your son to not go on a reality dating show.