Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

To be honest I thought Andi would handle fan interactions much worse, but she seems happy and nice in almost all of them so I'm pleasantly surprised. I've seen the odd negative fan tweet not so nice things about meeting other couples too, and it is often dismissed as a bad day or them being rightfully tired or whatever.

If they keep in contact over the phone, they don't need to follow each other. I don't follow my closest family, even though they live far away. There is no need to, we keep in contact several times a week. We post MMS, SMS, snapchats and talk on the phone. Why would Josh first talk on the phone and then post messages online? To make the fans happy?
I think that they have other things to do than doing everything twice.

And IF there are some issues I think they are perfectly capable of sorting them out, without doing it publicly. I feel sorry for them if they would feel the need to express themselves publicly. IMO

umngirl wrote:

Laudergirl wrote:

umngirl wrote:

IMO, there is no good reason. You don't unfollow your own family, you just don't. Whatever issue(s) there are, there are ways to resolve them without being petty with social media activity.

Just to clarify, Kacie was the first to unfollow Josh and Andi. Fairly early on after the finale aired in fact, like around Josh's birthday. Aaron then also unfollowed Andi, but continues to follow Josh. Andi never followed Kacie to begin with, and still follows Aaron, Stephanie and Momma Murray. I'm not sure when Josh unfollowed Aaron or his mom, but it appears to be more recent than the rest. Stephanie still follows everyone and vice versa!

Let's call the kettle black. Josh didn't initiate the unfollowing, Kacie did. Was he involved too, absolutely , as was Aaron. Is Josh the oldest and should he be the mature one? Yes, I agree with this. But we don't know what went down here. I do just wish Josh would have publicly congratulated his brother and Kacie and wished his mom a happy birthday. Not for the sake of his family because I believe he did it privately.  But doing it would certainly have eliminated the scrutiny here about family drama.

Ironically, Andi hasn't unfollowed anyone.

Difference is, Kacie isn't family. Aaron didn't unfollow anyone from his family either. Josh is unfollowing his own family members and on multiple social media platforms. I would just tell Josh to grow up, suck it up, and make it right.

And hopefully he will! I want nothing more than for them to be a united family. But to your comment about Kacie not being family, I think the Murrays have very much treated her as a daughter long before this engagement. So for all intents and purposes, it's the same.

umngirl wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

Again, they aren't the first couple to have dealt with this. It comes with the territory. Other couples/contestants have been followed around too. It happens. You just ignore it. That's not difficult. And this is not just at "random little events" where they are paid to sit there and take photos with fans.

I for one am not surprised to see Andi called rude by friends. I expect it to continue. She just doesn't strike me as a warm, friendly person. I know I wouldn't approach her if I saw her because I think it's possible I would get attitude from her.

Again, out of all of the interactions and pictures from fans since she started doing this in May, she's been called rude twice and once was from an aggressive girl. That a six month time span. I take no issue with that.

That's all fine and dandy but I'd rather it be none. And for me, I'm glad my favorites have a number of zero and there are no comments about rude behavior.

Again, it's more about the vibe I get from Andi and if I was a fan I would think twice about asking for a picture because I might get rude Andi instead of nice Andi.

It's an Andi and Josh thread, so I don't want to bring up other couples, but I guess getting turned down for a picture in the airport can be excused because they were tired right? I have seen negative tweets about every couple in this franchise - which is normal. They're human.

Laudergirl wrote:

umngirl wrote:

Laudergirl wrote:

Just to clarify, Kacie was the first to unfollow Josh and Andi. Fairly early on after the finale aired in fact, like around Josh's birthday. Aaron then also unfollowed Andi, but continues to follow Josh. Andi never followed Kacie to begin with, and still follows Aaron, Stephanie and Momma Murray. I'm not sure when Josh unfollowed Aaron or his mom, but it appears to be more recent than the rest. Stephanie still follows everyone and vice versa!

Let's call the kettle black. Josh didn't initiate the unfollowing, Kacie did. Was he involved too, absolutely , as was Aaron. Is Josh the oldest and should he be the mature one? Yes, I agree with this. But we don't know what went down here. I do just wish Josh would have publicly congratulated his brother and Kacie and wished his mom a happy birthday. Not for the sake of his family because I believe he did it privately.  But doing it would certainly have eliminated the scrutiny here about family drama.

Ironically, Andi hasn't unfollowed anyone.

Difference is, Kacie isn't family. Aaron didn't unfollow anyone from his family either. Josh is unfollowing his own family members and on multiple social media platforms. I would just tell Josh to grow up, suck it up, and make it right.

And hopefully he will! I want nothing more than for them to be a united family. But to your comment about Kacie not being family, I think the Murrays have very much treated her as a daughter long before this engagement. So for all intents and purposes, it's the same.

But until it's legal, she ain't family even if some of the Murrays see her as such. Josh unfollowed his own MOM. That's a big deal. As is unfollowing his brother.

Again, this all feels so immature. If there is problems, I would have expected Josh to handle it like an adult and not lash out by taking these social media steps. Guess he's not as mature and levelheaded as I thought.

Ash2214 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

Again, out of all of the interactions and pictures from fans since she started doing this in May, she's been called rude twice and once was from an aggressive girl. That a six month time span. I take no issue with that.

That's all fine and dandy but I'd rather it be none. And for me, I'm glad my favorites have a number of zero and there are no comments about rude behavior.

Again, it's more about the vibe I get from Andi and if I was a fan I would think twice about asking for a picture because I might get rude Andi instead of nice Andi.

It's an Andi and Josh thread, so I don't want to bring up other couples, but I guess getting turned down for a picture in the airport can be excused because they were tired right? I have seen negative tweets about every couple in this franchise - which is normal. They're human.

Politely turning down picture requests when it's not appropriate, like rushing through an airport or during a church service (yes that happened) aren't rude. That's common sense. Being rude and turning down requests when you are just out on the town is totally different IMO.

Again, I realize my opinion isn't really that popular. I used to be a fan of these two. But it's been declining steadily since the finale aired. And that's a shame because I really wanted to like them.

Am I the only one who's super uncomfortable with this topic? and it has nothing to do with being a fan of Andi and Josh but I just think whatever issues they're having with their families are private, regardless of being a public figure or not. I only recently started coming to the forum after Andi's season so I don't know what kind of speculation other couples went through about their families but families are so complicated and personal and we'll probably never know what really went down, if something went down I think speculating and assigning blame is unfair.

I have an older brother who I am very close with and consider to be one of my best friends and I unfollowed him on twitter a few months back simply because his tweets cluttered my timeline. He's still one of my best friends and I still talk to him practically every day. Just not on SM. Just an example of how SM doesn't paint a complete picture

Some people don't like Andi, fine. Not a fan of Josh, also fine. But to put it in perspective, just remember we only see a small portion of what goes on off camera so think in this issue, we should tread carefully and reserve judgement.

umngirl wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

That's all fine and dandy but I'd rather it be none. And for me, I'm glad my favorites have a number of zero and there are no comments about rude behavior.

Again, it's more about the vibe I get from Andi and if I was a fan I would think twice about asking for a picture because I might get rude Andi instead of nice Andi.

It's an Andi and Josh thread, so I don't want to bring up other couples, but I guess getting turned down for a picture in the airport can be excused because they were tired right? I have seen negative tweets about every couple in this franchise - which is normal. They're human.

Politely turning down picture requests when it's not appropriate, like rushing through an airport or during a church service (yes that happened) aren't rude. That's common sense. Being rude and turning down requests when you are just out on the town is totally different IMO.

Again, I realize my opinion isn't really that popular. I used to be a fan of these two. But it's been declining steadily since the finale aired. And that's a shame because I really wanted to like them.

Considering I know the person who asked for the picture - they were leaving the airport. Their names were called out and they didn't turn around. The person then walked up to them, they barely cracked a smile and said "not today." I totally get your opinion and I respect it. I personally just thought it was foolish (not just you that stated it) to say that after two instances during a 6 month span, that Andi and Josh need to do a better job of interacting with fans because apparently getting annoyed twice out of many, many times is not okay.

Ash2214 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

It's an Andi and Josh thread, so I don't want to bring up other couples, but I guess getting turned down for a picture in the airport can be excused because they were tired right? I have seen negative tweets about every couple in this franchise - which is normal. They're human.

Politely turning down picture requests when it's not appropriate, like rushing through an airport or during a church service (yes that happened) aren't rude. That's common sense. Being rude and turning down requests when you are just out on the town is totally different IMO.

Again, I realize my opinion isn't really that popular. I used to be a fan of these two. But it's been declining steadily since the finale aired. And that's a shame because I really wanted to like them.

Considering I know the person who asked for the picture - they were leaving the airport. Their names were called out and they didn't turn around. The person then walked up to them, they barely cracked a smile and said "not today." I totally get your opinion and I respect it. I personally just thought it was foolish (not just you that stated it) to say that after two instances during a 6 month span, that Andi and Josh need to do a better job of interacting with fans because apparently getting annoyed twice out of many, many times is not okay.  

Again, smiling and saying "not today" sounds pretty polite to me, not rude. I don't think they need to do a better job interacting with fans if they don't want to. It's their right. I just think Andi especially gives off a vibe that isn't the most welcoming to fans who would want to approach them. And that's her own doing whether from previous fan interaction stories spreading or just because of her t.v. persona.

They are just probably tired of every were they go they have to stop to take pictures they are not actors or singers yes they appeared on tv but when does it stop maybe they figure if they say no sometimes people will stop asking then they can get on with living there life

umngirl wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

Politely turning down picture requests when it's not appropriate, like rushing through an airport or during a church service (yes that happened) aren't rude. That's common sense. Being rude and turning down requests when you are just out on the town is totally different IMO.

Again, I realize my opinion isn't really that popular. I used to be a fan of these two. But it's been declining steadily since the finale aired. And that's a shame because I really wanted to like them.

Considering I know the person who asked for the picture - they were leaving the airport. Their names were called out and they didn't turn around. The person then walked up to them, they barely cracked a smile and said "not today." I totally get your opinion and I respect it. I personally just thought it was foolish (not just you that stated it) to say that after two instances during a 6 month span, that Andi and Josh need to do a better job of interacting with fans because apparently getting annoyed twice out of many, many times is not okay.  

Again, smiling and saying "not today" sounds pretty polite to me, not rude. I don't think they need to do a better job interacting with fans if they don't want to. It's their right. I just think Andi especially gives off a vibe that isn't the most welcoming to fans who would want to approach them. And that's her own doing whether from previous fan interaction stories spreading or just because of her t.v. persona.

I said they barely cracked a smile and said "not today" and they completely ignored the person when they called out their names. I wouldn't call that polite. I guess that's okay, but Andi cannot ask a person to stop following her and taking snap chat pictures of her? I guess it's only fine for certain couples.

Ash2214 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

Considering I know the person who asked for the picture - they were leaving the airport. Their names were called out and they didn't turn around. The person then walked up to them, they barely cracked a smile and said "not today." I totally get your opinion and I respect it. I personally just thought it was foolish (not just you that stated it) to say that after two instances during a 6 month span, that Andi and Josh need to do a better job of interacting with fans because apparently getting annoyed twice out of many, many times is not okay.  

Again, smiling and saying "not today" sounds pretty polite to me, not rude. I don't think they need to do a better job interacting with fans if they don't want to. It's their right. I just think Andi especially gives off a vibe that isn't the most welcoming to fans who would want to approach them. And that's her own doing whether from previous fan interaction stories spreading or just because of her t.v. persona.

I said they barely cracked a smile and said "not today" and they completely ignored the person when they called out their names. I wouldn't call that polite. I guess that's okay, but Andi cannot ask a person to stop following her and taking snap chat pictures of her? I guess it's only fine for certain couples.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree because to me that's being politely declined. I've had that happen to me several times, especially with pro athletes and very popular college athletes. Never once did it give me a negative impression of them.