Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:I just find it interesting that we're all here judging people that we don't know, but yet it's okay. Josh sends out a tweet that he probably shouldn't have and it didn't have any sort of malice or hate towards anyone, but yet it's not okay because he describes and portrays himself as a man of God. I have trouble understanding that. I'm Catholic and my faith has been a large part of my life since I was a child, but I sure hope God doesn't hate me for leaving comments here that aren't always in a positive light.

People aren't perfect. No one is. I'm pretty sure it's okay to make some small errors whether it be on Twitter or here on this board, when in reality, they have no large effect on anyone.  

There is as much judgement for Josh as there was for Nick.  Just different people judging.

One difference to me, when you proclaim your faith to a large audience via twitter, etc, then you set yourself up for some questioning you.  In addition, when he is so openly not forgiving Nick, it is a pattern of less than Christian behavior.

luvlady345 wrote:Seriously, how does anyone know whether or not Josh has  forgiven Nick?  We don't know, IMO  Josh doesn't need to converse with Nick or be his buddy to forgive Nick. Where is it written that I have to be your friend or associate with you in order to forgive? No where in my Bible does is say that.

stuckinsc wrote:My point was that most of the people complaining about the negativity towards Josh here were those spewing lots of negativity towards Nick.  As I was reminded a lot, these are discussion threads.  I thought it was a dumb tweet and that is what I stated. I still think it was dumb and was glad he retracted, I thought the explanation was not needed.

Here is the difference to me, I am not posting my faith all over the place and tweeting it out to everyone.  If you want to live by an example and preach it out to others to do so as well then  live by it.  If you don't and you hold yourself up as this I will make fun of it.  I make fun of myself for the same thing.  If you chose to shove your faith in the face of others than I want to see you live by it or at least acknowledge you are trying.

I have been disappointed in Josh, I thought he had a better sense of humor about himself, because he hasn't been a great life success.  I liked a guy who can be friends with someone who called him a douche the first time she met him.

He and Andi together have been the least gracious couple toward the F2.  Yes, Nick outed Andi for having sex with him, but he is human and did something emotional in the moment.  Josh just asked forgiveness for tweeting something out of emotion, so yup, I want to see a little more forgiveness.

I am allowed to want that and be disappointed in him.  I was a fan of Josh's before the first episode even aired.  But yes, I expected more for him.  Do I hate him, nope, but I am disappointed.  

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:My point was that most of the people complaining about the negativity towards Josh here were those spewing lots of negativity towards Nick.  As I was reminded a lot, these are discussion threads.  I thought it was a dumb tweet and that is what I stated. I still think it was dumb and was glad he retracted, I thought the explanation was not needed.

Here is the difference to me, I am not posting my faith all over the place and tweeting it out to everyone.  If you want to live by an example and preach it out to others to do so as well then  live by it.  If you don't and you hold yourself up as this I will make fun of it.  I make fun of myself for the same thing.  If you chose to shove your faith in the face of others than I want to see you live by it or at least acknowledge you are trying.

I have been disappointed in Josh, I thought he had a better sense of humor about himself, because he hasn't been a great life success.  I liked a guy who can be friends with someone who called him a douche the first time she met him.

He and Andi together have been the least gracious couple toward the F2.  Yes, Nick outed Andi for having sex with him, but he is human and did something emotional in the moment.  Josh just asked forgiveness for tweeting something out of emotion, so yup, I want to see a little more forgiveness.

I am allowed to want that and be disappointed in him.  I was a fan of Josh's before the first episode even aired.  But yes, I expected more for him.  Do I hate him, nope, but I am disappointed.  

The original discussion has nothing to do with judging Josh versus judging Nick. If you want to make this about Nick, which it really shouldn't be since we're on Josh and Andi's thread and we shouldn't go off topic, yes, both Josh and Nick have been criticized here on this board. I don't think anyone has denied that, myself included. I openly stated I have been negative towards Nick in my original post. No one has talked about Nick and his faith here on this thread. They have with Josh. I'm simply stating that no one is perfect. For example, I have certainly been negative towards Nick here, but I'm human. As a Catholic woman who has centered her life on her faith, I sure hope God doesn't hate me for being negative towards Nick on this board.

I just thought it was important to note that every single one of us here has talked about people we don't know here in a negative light. Since that's the case, does that makes us bad people who shouldn't talk about or spread our faith? Absolutely not, at least in my eyes. All I'm saying is since the topic is of Josh and his faith, not Nick, is that this discussion started because Josh sent out a tweet that had no malice or hate directed at anyone, then deleted it and essentially sent out another tweet about how people make mistakes in the heat of the moment. No one is perfect, but yet that makes him a bad Christian? Since he hasn't forgiven Nick within one month of Nick really hurting him (although we don't even know if he's forgiven Nick or not) that makes him a bad Christian?

We're not teenagers. I hope we should know that there is a large difference between sending out a tweet, again that had no malice or hate directed at anyone, and then admitting he made a mistake, but we're all human, versus telling millions of people on what should have been a happy day for him that Nick had sex with Andi about a week before he proposed to her while his family and friends were watching at a charity event. He also embarrassed his fiancee.

Also, I just have a question for you. You always talk about how Nick is moving on. It's been a couple of weeks since Josh has said anything about Nick. Are you expecting him to release a statement that he's forgiven Nick for what he did? Wouldn't that be a bit ridiculous considering he's trying to move on with his life just like you think Nick is? We don't know Josh personally. Who are we to say if he's moved on or not?

Ash2214 wrote:
The original discussion has nothing to do with judging Josh versus judging Nick. If you want to make this about Nick, which it really shouldn't be since we're on Josh and Andi's thread and we shouldn't go off topic, yes, both Josh and Nick have been criticized here on this board. I don't think anyone has denied that, myself included. I openly stated I have been negative towards Nick in my original post. No one has talked about Nick and his faith here on this thread. They have with Josh. I'm simply stating that no one is perfect. For example, I have certainly been negative towards Nick here, but I'm human. As a Catholic woman who has centered her life on her faith, I sure hope God doesn't hate me for being negative towards Nick on this board.

I just thought it was important to note that every single one of us here has talked about people we don't know here in a negative light. Since that's the case, does that makes us bad people who shouldn't talk about or spread our faith? Absolutely not, at least in my eyes. All I'm saying is since the topic is of Josh and his faith, not Nick, is that this discussion started because Josh sent out a tweet that had no malice or hate directed at anyone, then deleted it and essentially sent out another tweet about how people make mistakes in the heat of the moment. No one is perfect, but yet that makes him a bad Christian? Since he hasn't forgiven Nick within one month of Nick really hurting him (although we don't even know if he's forgiven Nick or not) that makes him a bad Christian?

We're not teenagers. I hope we should know that there is a large difference between sending out a tweet, again that had no malice or hate directed at anyone, and then admitting he made a mistake, but we're all human, versus telling millions of people on what should have been a happy day for him that Nick had sex with Andi about a week before he proposed to her while his family and friends were watching at a charity event. He also embarrassed his fiancee.

Also, I just have a question for you. You always talk about how Nick is moving on. It's been a couple of weeks since Josh has said anything about Nick. Are you expecting him to release a statement that he's forgiven Nick for what he did? Wouldn't that be a bit ridiculous considering he's trying to move on with his life just like you think Nick is? We don't know Josh personally. Who are we to say if he's moved on or not?

Ash2214 wrote:Yes, Relalou, although we already knew that from things that were said post show by Josh and Andi, it's nice to hear Chris Harrison confirm that and give some behind the scenes information.