Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

Considering Andi favorited this tweet yesterday, I would think it's pretty safe to say things aren't as big of a deal as people think it all might be:

Claire Michell @Clairebearrr94
How people find out about these so called "family feuds" without @AndiDorfman , @jmurbulldog or family saying anything amazes me #rumors

Kacie and Aaron can do whatever they want, but Instagramming he's a "mama's boy" and mm posting that Kacie and Aaron roll out the red carpet for her every time, I cannot take that at face value. It's just so hilariously directed at Josh and Andi imo, I don't even know what to say other than this is unreal

Good luck to Kacie when mm starts to drag the ladder to climb into the bedroom window to snuggle Aaron to sleep nightly. I don't know if she'll enjoy being the Most Beloved DIL in All the Land then, but we shall see.

They're a family, I highly doubt they seriously don't all want a good relationship with each other and will eventually work it out but it's pretty funny to me for now.

^ Alanna, you kill me. Every single time.

stuckinsc wrote:Okay, I am trying to play nice.  But, I truly don't understand the need to make fun of or bash members of the Murray family to uplift Josh and Andi.

None of us know why Andi and Josh aren't spending more time around the Murrays, I can speculate stuff that puts the blame on J&A others can speculate stuff that blames the Murrays, but all of us are speculating.

What I do know is that Andi and Kacie are both brides to be.  They are both allowed to handle wedding planning in anyway they chose.  Many brides I know take a year to a year and a half to plan weddings as venues are booked early as well as the quality photographers, etc.  Why can't both women plan their weddings their way without it being an affront to the other.  I am not saying that either of them have complained about the other, but that as fans complaining is occurring.  

Weddings are joyful things, so why not positivity why the need to be negative about either Andi or Kacie?

As far as MM visiting KC.  She is invited and has always posted about her travels with her children.  Why can she not post what she wants about her children without criticism from this board.

We don't know if she is choosing not to visit J&A or has not been invited.  I don't care either way, but she is enjoying the time with the children who want her around, and why shouldn't she.

I can't believe that Josh would enjoy anyone posting negative things about his family.  To me it is rude to him and the other Murrays.

I personally don't understand the need to point fingers and blame things on someone. It's just not my thing. But it's y'alls right to speculate here and I respect that.

My question is, how is any criticism towards MM or Kacie in the context of A&J's relationship any different than criticism directly towards Andi and Josh?

I've been silent on this topic but since it's the general discussion, I am going to post my opinion here. Mods, please delete if not appropriate.
I understand fans want to support and defend their faves. However, I feel uncomfortable reading posts "speculating" Kacie is jealous, she is trying to compete, etc etc. Unlike Josh and Andi, she didn't sign up to be a contestant on a national TV so I don't think it's fair to speculate and make not-necessarily-true assessments of her characters.  If I were her or any Murray family member, I would make all my SM private to avoid unpleasant speculations.

I would, too, but she has choices as to how to handle her SM privacy settings and has made her choices. 
In the past, we have speculated regarding other cast family members. (Shay, Ashley's sister, Des' bro, Cat's dad--I could go on and on)
Per site rules we can not disclose personal demographics---address, phone etc. We can not slander. 
I don't think these things are being done. 
Personally, I don't think Aaron or Kacie have done anything to worry about or feel bad about. They are a loving couple who are planning a blessed event. Their relationship is their relationship.

sdmom wrote:I've been silent on this topic but since it's the general discussion, I am going to post my opinion here. Mods, please delete if not appropriate.
I understand fans want to support and defend their faves. However, I feel uncomfortable reading posts "speculating" Kacie is jealous, she is trying to compete, etc etc. Unlike Josh and Andi, she didn't sign up to be a contestant on a national TV so I don't think it's fair to speculate and make not-necessarily-true assessments of her characters.  If I were her or any Murray family member, I would make all my SM private to avoid unpleasant speculations.

IA

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The rules are, sleuthing speculating discussing about contestants are allowed, that's what we do here. We have fan threads for positive info, and we have general discussion threads for general discussions.

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In the Life and Style magazine Josh says :

“He’s not coming,” Josh tells Life & Style. “Just good people. No people whose character I just don’t like.”

I guess if they only want good people at their wedding then Josh and Andi will not be at their own wedding.

whit90 wrote:In the Life and Style magazine Josh says :

“He’s not coming,” Josh tells Life & Style. “Just good people. No people whose character I just don’t like.”

I guess if they only want good people at their wedding then Josh and Andi will not be at their own wedding.

But the thing is Andi/Nikki are friends so we as fans don't know what is going on behind the scenes.....

luvlady345 wrote:

whit90 wrote:In the Life and Style magazine Josh says :

“He’s not coming,” Josh tells Life & Style. “Just good people. No people whose character I just don’t like.”

I guess if they only want good people at their wedding then Josh and Andi will not be at their own wedding.

But the thing is Andi/Nikki are friends so we as fans don't know what is going on behind the scenes.....

Exactly! Andi and Nikki are very good friends and clearly talk. Obviously we don't have the whole story and clearly Juan and Nikki are not together... IMO. ;) Andi wants Nikki in her wedding. ;)

^ That's what I was going to say. Andi personally knows Juan Pablo and Andi is close friends with Nikki. I'm assuming Josh has heard plenty in regards to Juan Pablo from Andi's point of view and experience and from what Nikki probably tells Andi since they're friends.

We all have opinions of each other. Just like Josh doesn't like Juan Pablo, people don't like Andi or Josh. It's the way life goes.