Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

Acrunch wrote:Man, Andi can't do anything right, can she?  Lol.  I doubt very sincerely that Andi's reaction post FS had anything to do with JP refusing to seduce her.    If memory serves me right, her issue was that he was talking nonstop about himself and made no attempt to learn anything about her or her life....he had no idea what her religion was as an example.  On the other hand...Josh even knew how long of a courtship her parents and sister had before they married.  

Your memory serves you very right; that was indeed what her issue with JPG was. JPG even tried to turn the tables on her and asked her what his religion was - and she knew!

Lucas15 wrote:

Acrunch wrote:Man, Andi can't do anything right, can she?  Lol.  I doubt very sincerely that Andi's reaction post FS had anything to do with JP refusing to seduce her.    If memory serves me right, her issue was that he was talking nonstop about himself and made no attempt to learn anything about her or her life....he had no idea what her religion was as an example.  On the other hand...Josh even knew how long of a courtship her parents and sister had before they married.  

Your memory serves you very right; that was indeed what her issue with JPG was. JPG even tried to turn the tables on her and asked her what his religion was - and she knew!

Then she should have told him he was talking too much about himself or let him know she was unhappy at the time. Or even better, if she was in a situation that made her unhappy leave. I have no problem with her not being happy with him and him annoying her. I don't respect her sitting there not saying anything and then coming after him with it days later. I understand the producers may have wanted her to do it, but I still think it was a stupid way to handle the situation and I don't respect her for playing along.

stuckinsc wrote:

Then she should have told him he was talking too much about himself or let him know she was unhappy at the time.  Or even better, if she was in a situation that made her unhappy leave.  I have no problem with her not being happy with him and him annoying her.  I don't respect her sitting there not saying anything and then coming after him with it days later.  I understand the producers may have wanted her to do it, but I still think it was a stupid way to handle the situation and I don't respect her for playing along.

Yes, I know...Andi=Bad. Andi=Wrong. Always and forever.

Acrunch wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Then she should have told him he was talking too much about himself or let him know she was unhappy at the time.  Or even better, if she was in a situation that made her unhappy leave.  I have no problem with her not being happy with him and him annoying her.  I don't respect her sitting there not saying anything and then coming after him with it days later.  I understand the producers may have wanted her to do it, but I still think it was a stupid way to handle the situation and I don't respect her for playing along.

Yes, I know...Andi=Bad.  Andi=Wrong.  Always and forever.  

You are correct but don't feed into the negativity. Andi has moved on, and is too busy living her life very much in love with Josh. Enjoying life in Athens as we speak. :cutesmile!:

Acrunch wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Then she should have told him he was talking too much about himself or let him know she was unhappy at the time.  Or even better, if she was in a situation that made her unhappy leave.  I have no problem with her not being happy with him and him annoying her.  I don't respect her sitting there not saying anything and then coming after him with it days later.  I understand the producers may have wanted her to do it, but I still think it was a stupid way to handle the situation and I don't respect her for playing along.

Yes, I know...Andi=Bad.  Andi=Wrong.  Always and forever.  

Nope, that is not what I said. I said that I think she handled that situation with JPG in the fantasy suite wrong. I gave Andi credit when I thought she did stuff right too. I said that I thought the stress of having to keep Eric was hard on her and part of her reaction to their talk. I think she knew probably week three that she and Eric weren't going to be a good couple, but I think TPTB would have loved to have him stick around and get him to be the next bachelor. Eric wasn't a guy who was going to play and fade into the background, so I am sure that it was hard on Andi having to do that. I felt it was horrible when people accused her of killing Eric.

I try to be fair, no one is all bad or all wrong. I thought if she was that unhappy with JPG in the FS she should have spoken up or left. I didn't respect not saying anything and then waiting days to talk to him about it. Had she told him right away or the next morning, I would have had no problem with it. He is a little self centered and they were obviously not a good fit for each other.

Those who don't like Andi will always find something wrong with everything she's done or her motives for doing things no matter the circumstance

stuckinsc wrote:I didn't respect not saying anything and then waiting days to talk to him about it. Had she told him right away or the next morning, I would have had no problem with it.

IMO none of that was her choice. She (like all other leads or contestants) is free to withdraw at any time - but they also have signed this statement in their contract:

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I MAY BE HELD FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL COSTS AND DAMAGES INCURRED BY PRODUCER WHICH RESULT FROM MY VOLUNTARY WITHDRAWAL FROM THE SERIES

So to avoid the risk of being held responsible for damages for withdrawing she had to do so when and how the producers dictated.

Lucas15 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:I didn't respect not saying anything and then waiting days to talk to him about it. Had she told him right away or the next morning, I would have had no problem with it.

IMO none of that was her choice. She (like all other leads or contestants) is free to withdraw at any time - but they also have signed this statement in their contract:

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I MAY BE HELD FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL COSTS AND DAMAGES INCURRED BY PRODUCER WHICH RESULT FROM MY VOLUNTARY WITHDRAWAL FROM THE SERIES

So to avoid the risk of being held responsible for damages for withdrawing she had to do so when and how the producers dictated.

They have had other contestants leave because they are not into the lead and since they are allowed to say and do whatever they want without the cameras in the FS, why is that she couldn't have told him something in the FS?

Do you think if andi is the "next bachelorette that time " if she did not do her voluntarily exit and showed that attitude towards Jpa exposing him  during his season and never voluntarily exit herself and everyone kisses her ass for being a good classy lady after all. Just asking your opinion.  Even though I can't think who will be the better candidates that time . Since andi is so popular that time because of her being a strong , intelligent and classy woman .

Nikki said, "I was third" after Evil Dick's comment. I think he did have sex with Andi. What offended Andi was that he told her he had also had sex with Clare combined with the fact that she figured out she was F3 after sex based on his comments, thus her exit strategy. JMHO She did make lemonade out of lemons at that moment, but didn't exactly learn from it in for her own season.

Very strange that Nikki then said I don't ask him about it.. implying she assumes the worst or doesn't know- yet she is friends with Andi?? That may have been a quick cover for her I was third comment. Weird all around. Nikki needs to move on! He's making a fool of her.

grace8136 wrote:Nikki said, "I was third" after Evil Dick's comment. I think he did have sex with Andi. What offended Andi was that he told her he had also had sex with Clare combined with the fact that she figured out she was F3 after sex based on his comments, thus her exit strategy. JMHO She did make lemonade out of lemons at that moment, but didn't exactly learn from it in for her own season.

Very strange that Nikki then said I don't ask him about it.. implying she assumes the worst or doesn't know- yet she is friends with Andi?? That may have been a quick cover for her I was third comment. Weird all around. Nikki needs to move on! He's making a fool of her.

I thought Nikki was trying to make a joke by her 3rd comment. Evel Dick was assuming there's always sex so she was just going along with it. I don't think Andi had sex with JP however she was out of line for "outing" Clare on ATFR. It wasn't her place to do that since she wasn't there.

albean99 wrote:

grace8136 wrote:Nikki said, "I was third" after Evil Dick's comment. I think he did have sex with Andi. What offended Andi was that he told her he had also had sex with Clare combined with the fact that she figured out she was F3 after sex based on his comments, thus her exit strategy. JMHO She did make lemonade out of lemons at that moment, but didn't exactly learn from it in for her own season.

Very strange that Nikki then said I don't ask him about it.. implying she assumes the worst or doesn't know- yet she is friends with Andi?? That may have been a quick cover for her I was third comment. Weird all around. Nikki needs to move on! He's making a fool of her.

I thought Nikki was trying to make a joke by her 3rd comment. Evel Dick was assuming there's always sex so she was just going along with it. I don't think Andi had sex with JP however she was out of line for "outing" Clare on ATFR. It wasn't her place to do that since she wasn't there.

Hard to say. Her expression was sad, not joking to me. Looked like an awkward subject between them at the very least. I've always thought Andi's complaints for that night were missing a few key details. I suspect FS = sex to Andi. Juan Pablo is even more casual about it so it's no big surprise if he was less than tactful about the situation. He's such a loser. Poor Nikki was probably pulled into this nutty show so Juan Pabs didn't miss out on a few bucks. She seems like a bright girl with loving parents, so hard to understand why she's settling for so little in return. She said something like.. "It's Juan Pablo's life, I'm just living in it."