Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

stuckinsc wrote:

thirteen wrote:In response to him not wishing his mama a happy birthday publicly I will bring this fabulous Ed Sheeran response on twitter:

@Pegicorn_Swift: @edsheeran Really dissapointed that you didn't tweet HBD to your girl pal, Taylor. I'm sure you had your reasons but that was really sad.

@edsheeran: @Pegicorn_Swift mobile phones do exist ya know

And come on! You can't honestly said that is sad that they are spending more time with the Dorfs than with the Murrays. For one the Dorfs live in Atlanta so that is way way easy for them to meet.
A&J have been traveling to visit the Murrays and with their crazy schedule is hard to travel even for a day to visit them but they been trying, I mean they have visited Josh' grandpa several times and I bet the Murrays in Florida.
And one other thing, I'm freaking happy that Joshy and the Dorfs get along so well, have spending so much time together and that they started to treat him as a son! It's freaking awesome and you can tell how happy Andi and the clan are to have him there. It gives me so many great feelings.

What I have not seen is the Murrays (MM, father and son) visit them in Atlanta since the diner with the Dorfs. Not even once.
So you can't possibly said that they didn't try when they were the ones traveling time and time again to meet them.

luvlady345 wrote:What I don't get why is it somehow always for some get back around to pointing a finger Andi's way . Just because a family is all smiles and whatnot to the general public doesn't mean it's always like that behind the scenes. They aren't perfect but I am 100% sure they love each other but it doesn't mean they get al9ng all the time. Some will look for any excuse to blame Andi and I just dont get it. Like what is truly meant in written words on twitter or IG gets lost in translation.

I understood what you said and I agree 100%.

You are correct, we have not seen the Murrays in Atlanta.  I guess my question is were they invited?  Kacie has specified that the Murrays were invited by them to KC.  

Momma Murray in my opinion is trying to give Josh and Andi that space and letting him cut the cord.  As Andi so nicely said, Stephanie was the most mature one in the family, so to me, I would expect that Josh and Andi would have to extend the invitation to the Murrays.

I also said, that when the Murrays were in GA, Andi and Josh left ASAP after the football game to go to a concert with Andi's pals.  That says a lot to me.  

The two families were in KC for the engagement on Friday, yes, Josh and Andi had a wedding on Saturday, but as they showed us with the Deckers party where they had an event in ATL on Sunday, flew to NYC on Monday and were back in ATL on Tuesday for Josh to do the fashion show that night, when they want to they can fly somewhere for one night when it is important to them.

I am entitled to my opinion that I don't like seeing Josh withdrawing from the Murrays.  I have been nice in this, but I am going to state my direct opinion now.  I think Andi is a brat, and that her parents raised her to be a brat, so seeing Josh not spending as much time with his family to ingratiate himself with bratty Andi and her family and friends is sad.  

I agree Josh should not be at the Murrays beck and call and that he and Andi have to build their own life, but does that mean his family ceases to exist.  Why not a balance between the two?  

I honestly don't care for Andi, I see her posts about happy people and non-negativity as more of her subtle digs to people and as I stated before when your bff is one of the nastiest people ever on SM, you talking about others being negative on it rings pretty hollow, especially when someone brings that very thing up and you purposely delete it instead of maybe acknowledging it.  Andi is all about Andi, for me I had hoped to see her reach out and enjoy the Murrays as much as Josh enjoys the Dorfmans.  This is not what I am seeing.  

I do not post in the fan thread, but since July, I see less of the Josh I was a fan of even before this show and more of a man who is giving up who he was to be with Andi.  

I have read in the fan thread that MM is favoring her other children when she mentions and supports Josh and Andi when they have something.  She has posted for his Advocare many times.  

Tonight, I read a post that Kacie thanking her future MIL is somehow rude and showing off.  Why isn't she allowed to be happy about her engagement?  It was a sweet thing and nice that both families were part of it.  But there were not nice comments in this very thread about it.  I try to see nice things for Andi and Josh, but I strongly disagree with those who need to tear down MM, Aaron or Kacie to lift up Andi and Josh.  

May I also point out, Josh is a 30 year old man and Andi is 27.  Aaron is 23 years old, yet in his time at UGA Aaron actually graduated early and then worked towards his master's.  My UGA friends told me he earned his master's degree, but I have not seen proof of that.  Kacie is 24.  So both Andi and Josh are the older and possibly more mature people in what ever tension is happening.

I am sorry, but I would hope that Josh as a grown a** man (his very own words) could work to establish a better relationship all around.  Instead it seems some kind of difficulty is happening.  Yes, this is weird because previously Josh has always reached out to his family on SM as well as talking to them.  This is a change in what he has done in the past so is notable.  

MM survived brain cancer, this is fairly incredible, his dad had bouts with two less severe types of cancer.  Other family members have had cancer diagnoses as well.  When you have a loved one survive something like this is incredible, but the truth is that cancer often comes back and is even harder to treat and overcome when it reoccurs, so yup, I would like to see Josh and Andi reach out the his wonderful family more as well.  My opinion and I am allowed.  I do place Andi as a causative factor, along with Kacie, since we see this split since he and Andi became public as a couple.

I respect Andi and Josh fans and their right to their opinion.  I have the right to mine.  Like I said before, I have been a fan of Aaron and the Murray clan for many years watching him grow into a good man while also playing pretty great football here in GA.  My fan dome for them didn't start with this tv show.  I don't like seeing Josh removed from his family that I like and admire.

Oh and I am one of those who is guilty of liking pics of all the other Murrays but those with Andi, since really I don't like her either.  I don't comment ever though.  But I am entitled to like who I like, just as others are.

Laudergirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

thirteen wrote:In response to him not wishing his mama a happy birthday publicly I will bring this fabulous Ed Sheeran response on twitter:



And come on! You can't honestly said that is sad that they are spending more time with the Dorfs than with the Murrays. For one the Dorfs live in Atlanta so that is way way easy for them to meet.
A&J have been traveling to visit the Murrays and with their crazy schedule is hard to travel even for a day to visit them but they been trying, I mean they have visited Josh' grandpa several times and I bet the Murrays in Florida.
And one other thing, I'm freaking happy that Joshy and the Dorfs get along so well, have spending so much time together and that they started to treat him as a son! It's freaking awesome and you can tell how happy Andi and the clan are to have him there. It gives me so many great feelings.

What I have not seen is the Murrays (MM, father and son) visit them in Atlanta since the diner with the Dorfs. Not even once.
So you can't possibly said that they didn't try when they were the ones traveling time and time again to meet them.



I understood what you said and I agree 100%.

You are correct, we have not seen the Murrays in Atlanta.  I guess my question is were they invited?  Kacie has specified that the Murrays were invited by them to KC.  

Momma Murray in my opinion is trying to give Josh and Andi that space and letting him cut the cord.  As Andi so nicely said, Stephanie was the most mature one in the family, so to me, I would expect that Josh and Andi would have to extend the invitation to the Murrays.

I also said, that when the Murrays were in GA, Andi and Josh left ASAP after the football game to go to a concert with Andi's pals.  That says a lot to me.  

The two families were in KC for the engagement on Friday, yes, Josh and Andi had a wedding on Saturday, but as they showed us with the Deckers party where they had an event in ATL on Sunday, flew to NYC on Monday and were back in ATL on Tuesday for Josh to do the fashion show that night, when they want to they can fly somewhere for one night when it is important to them.

I am entitled to my opinion that I don't like seeing Josh withdrawing from the Murrays.  I have been nice in this, but I am going to state my direct opinion now.  I think Andi is a brat, and that her parents raised her to be a brat, so seeing Josh not spending as much time with his family to ingratiate himself with bratty Andi and her family and friends is sad.  

I agree Josh should not be at the Murrays beck and call and that he and Andi have to build their own life, but does that mean his family ceases to exist.  Why not a balance between the two?  

I honestly don't care for Andi, I see her posts about happy people and non-negativity as more of her subtle digs to people and as I stated before when your bff is one of the nastiest people ever on SM, you talking about others being negative on it rings pretty hollow, especially when someone brings that very thing up and you purposely delete it instead of maybe acknowledging it.  Andi is all about Andi, for me I had hoped to see her reach out and enjoy the Murrays as much as Josh enjoys the Dorfmans.  This is not what I am seeing.  

I do not post in the fan thread, but since July, I see less of the Josh I was a fan of even before this show and more of a man who is giving up who he was to be with Andi.  

I have read in the fan thread that MM is favoring her other children when she mentions and supports Josh and Andi when they have something.  She has posted for his Advocare many times.  

Tonight, I read a post that Kacie thanking her future MIL is somehow rude and showing off.  Why isn't she allowed to be happy about her engagement?  It was a sweet thing and nice that both families were part of it.  But there were not nice comments in this very thread about it.  I try to see nice things for Andi and Josh, but I strongly disagree with those who need to tear down MM, Aaron or Kacie to lift up Andi and Josh.  

May I also point out, Josh is a 30 year old man and Andi is 27.  Aaron is 23 years old, yet in his time at UGA Aaron actually graduated early and then worked towards his master's.  My UGA friends told me he earned his master's degree, but I have not seen proof of that.  Kacie is 24.  So both Andi and Josh are the older and possibly more mature people in what ever tension is happening.

I am sorry, but I would hope that Josh as a grown a** man (his very own words) could work to establish a better relationship all around.  Instead it seems some kind of difficulty is happening.  Yes, this is weird because previously Josh has always reached out to his family on SM as well as talking to them.  This is a change in what he has done in the past so is notable.  

MM survived brain cancer, this is fairly incredible, his dad had bouts with two less severe types of cancer.  Other family members have had cancer diagnoses as well.  When you have a loved one survive something like this is incredible, but the truth is that cancer often comes back and is even harder to treat and overcome when it reoccurs, so yup, I would like to see Josh and Andi reach out the his wonderful family more as well.  My opinion and I am allowed.  I do place Andi as a causative factor, along with Kacie, since we see this split since he and Andi became public as a couple.

I respect Andi and Josh fans and their right to their opinion.  I have the right to mine.  Like I said before, I have been a fan of Aaron and the Murray clan for many years watching him grow into a good man while also playing pretty great football here in GA.  My fan dome for them didn't start with this tv show.  I don't like seeing Josh removed from his family that I like and admire.

Oh and I am one of those who is guilty of liking pics of all the other Murrays but those with Andi, since really I don't like her either.  I don't comment ever though.  But I am entitled to like who I like, just as others are.

I appreciate your comments, especially since you seem to have known about this family prior to the Bachelorette airing, I just don't agree with many of them. It makes me somewhat sad that several people have stated their dislike for Andi. You, Guardian Angel and others. I feel very differently about her. I really like her, and don't see her as a brat (no more so than many other women), but just as a woman with a strong opinion that stands up for herself and the people she cares about. I see a very genuine, caring and nurturing person. Can she be somewhat dramatic at times, sure, but she comes across as far more level headed and reasonable than many of the women I see on reality TV today. You talk about Andi's subtle digs on SM, and besides her being friends with Kelly Travis, I don't see what you are seeing. I haven't seen any negative posts of hers, just positive.

I am also a HUGE Josh fan. Since we only see Josh in pictures now, it's hard to say how his personality may or may not have changed since being with Andi, but he sure seems very happy, and from posts from people who have met him recently, he is a kind and down to earth person. I love the Murray clan and I don't speak negatively about them in my posts. I do feel, however, that the major attention in the family seems to have been on Aaron for years, and Kacie as well because of it. Josh has just been the supportive big brother for years standing in the shadows and now that he is making a new life for himself, he's considered insensitive and unsupportive of his family just for loving a strong willed woman and wanting to make her happy by spending time with her and her family. I just don't agree with this assessment. Nothing that Josh (or Andi) has done has made me think he doesn't want to spend time with his family. He just doesn't drop everything to be where you seem to feel he should be. Really, has Aaron? Has Stephanie? They have all had commitments and have had to make choices as to what they can and can't attend. I don't think it's justified to blame any possible drama on Josh due to Andi's influence. I just don't agree with this.

umngirl wrote:^The Sean-Shay or more accurately SeanCat-Shay thing was very much making a mountain out of a molehill. And it was also very short-lived if there ever was any problems.

bleuberry wrote:I don't think anything really 'happened' with the Sean-Shay thing either. Shay is an oddball, but yes the families always seemed very happy and excited for them.

bleuberry wrote:I don't think anything really 'happened' with the Sean-Shay thing either. Shay is an oddball, but yes the families always seemed very happy and excited for them.

Kashathediva wrote:Before this thread takes a turn---

Let's keep Yawn/Cat out of it. (please) This is not their discussion thread.

This is a discussion thread. Positive and negative comments are allowed regarding cast/show per discussion topic. That is how discussions are.
Fan threads are for positive thoughts only. This is not a fan thread.

For what it's worth--I don't like MEandI and it has nothing to do with who she is with. Josh is ok, but I think he has rocks for brains.  I keep hoping he wakes up and smells the coffee(or rotten egg in his case). 
There I said my piece!  I wonder what MM is going to think when she reads all this hoopty doo! Should be interesting. 

Carry on.

Alanna wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Before this thread takes a turn---

Let's keep Yawn/Cat out of it. (please) This is not their discussion thread.

This is a discussion thread. Positive and negative comments are allowed regarding cast/show per discussion topic. That is how discussions are.
Fan threads are for positive thoughts only. This is not a fan thread.

For what it's worth--I don't like MEandI and it has nothing to do with who she is with. Josh is ok, but I think he has rocks for brains.  I keep hoping he wakes up and smells the coffee(or rotten egg in his case). 
There I said my piece!  I wonder what MM is going to think when she reads all this hoopty doo! Should be interesting. 

Carry on.

I don't think Lauren will think anything considering the rest of the sm world is congratulating both Josh and Aaron to her and people think there's a double wedding in the works that ABC will pay for in some of the comments. I don't know which is funnier- those brides sharing the spotlight or ABC paying.

Oh but it'll be hilarious if the rest of the family, especially mm, starts floating around that family photo from Kacie' Insta. I wonder if mm's FB friends will be like "waittttt, wasn't there a big one at some point too?" I guess if she posts it, we'll know if there is or isn't any drama in the fam.

soccermom333 wrote:

Alanna wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Before this thread takes a turn---

Let's keep Yawn/Cat out of it. (please) This is not their discussion thread.

This is a discussion thread. Positive and negative comments are allowed regarding cast/show per discussion topic. That is how discussions are.
Fan threads are for positive thoughts only. This is not a fan thread.

For what it's worth--I don't like MEandI and it has nothing to do with who she is with. Josh is ok, but I think he has rocks for brains.  I keep hoping he wakes up and smells the coffee(or rotten egg in his case). 
There I said my piece!  I wonder what MM is going to think when she reads all this hoopty doo! Should be interesting. 

Carry on.

I don't think Lauren will think anything considering the rest of the sm world is congratulating both Josh and Aaron to her and people think there's a double wedding in the works that ABC will pay for in some of the comments. I don't know which is funnier- those brides sharing the spotlight or ABC paying.

Oh but it'll be hilarious if the rest of the family, especially mm, starts floating around that family photo from Kacie' Insta. I wonder if mm's FB friends will be like "waittttt, wasn't there a big one at some point too?" I guess if she posts it, we'll know if there is or isn't any drama in the fam.

Alanna, you are hilarious and sooo right about MM.  She could care less about the "few" on this board that do not like Josh and Andi.  Truth.  ;)  

She loves her son(s) and future daughter in law(s) period.  The wedding(s) will fun and interesting to say the least.