Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

stuckinsc wrote:

Laudergirl wrote:

Alanna wrote:
YMMV but I have never gotten the sense that Andi wants Josh to forget he has a family as long as their relationship is first. Actually, I think she verbatim said that at the htd. She was certainly supportive of visiting both Steph and Aaron's games post-show until whatever happened, happened, if something happened .

With that said, maybe Josh and Andi can both act like the fully grown humans they are and wish the poor mom a happy bday already? Seriously. It's embarrassing if 30 year old Josh cannot get it together in this situation that's straight out of junior high school.


I would completely and fully agree with you if Josh wasn't posting to Andi's family currently or to his family before the beginning of this month. It's one thing to not be active, it's another ballgame to abruptly stop communicating with them and actively unfollow them.

I firmly believe that Josh face timed or called MM today to wish her a happy birthday. I would bet on it. He doesn't need to do it publicly on SM. That's all for show. Josh is not that superficial. He loves his mom and I'm sure he showed it to her privately today.

I am sure that Josh has spoken with his mother today.  This is different than how Josh has handled wishing her happy mother's day and such, so it does stand out a bit.  

The Murray family will work it out.  But it still makes me sad to see Josh spending so much time with the Dorfmans and them not spending as much time with the Murrays.  I had hoped for more balance between the two.  For as close as Stephanie is to them (45 minutes) I don't see them spending a lot of time with Stephanie, at least as posted on SM.

Well Josh and Andi did go to Athens for Stephanie's birthday. They were the only ones that were there. They did go to a KC game for Aaron and 2 UGA games, one with the Murrays and one with the Dorfmans. They also have a busy life and charities that they go to. This is part of the separation that Josh mentioned and they will all have to make adjustments. The Dorfmans living in Atl just makes it easier to see them a little more often.

In response to him not wishing his mama a happy birthday publicly I will bring this fabulous Ed Sheeran response on twitter:

@Pegicorn_Swift: @edsheeran Really dissapointed that you didn't tweet HBD to your girl pal, Taylor. I'm sure you had your reasons but that was really sad.

@edsheeran: @Pegicorn_Swift mobile phones do exist ya know

And come on! You can't honestly said that is sad that they are spending more time with the Dorfs than with the Murrays. For one the Dorfs live in Atlanta so that is way way easy for them to meet.
A&J have been traveling to visit the Murrays and with their crazy schedule is hard to travel even for a day to visit them but they been trying, I mean they have visited Josh' grandpa several times and I bet the Murrays in Florida.
And one other thing, I'm freaking happy that Joshy and the Dorfs get along so well, have spending so much time together and that they started to treat him as a son! It's freaking awesome and you can tell how happy Andi and the clan are to have him there. It gives me so many great feelings.

What I have not seen is the Murrays (MM, father and son) visit them in Atlanta since the diner with the Dorfs. Not even once.
So you can't possibly said that they didn't try when they were the ones traveling time and time again to meet them.

luvlady345 wrote:What I don't get why is it somehow always for some get back around to pointing a finger Andi's way . Just because a family is all smiles and whatnot to the general public doesn't mean it's always like that behind the scenes. They aren't perfect but I am 100% sure they love each other but it doesn't mean they get al9ng all the time. Some will look for any excuse to blame Andi and I just dont get it. Like what is truly meant in written words on twitter or IG gets lost in translation.

I understood what you said and I agree 100%.

Since we're talking about it, here is Kacie and Aaron's proposal story and family picture from her Insta.

Aaron thought it would be nice to show our families our new Church in Kansas City. While on a tour before dinner, he snuck me away and outside to a beautiful fountain and grotto (against my will) (it was rainy and freezing). This was where he asked me for my hand in marriage. This is where he made me the happiest girl in the world. Faith and family. That is all we need...and that is how he proposed. I love my fiancé...I love my family!! #McMurray

i haven't kept up with andi/josh after the season ended, but whats the story with the family drama?

thirteen wrote:In response to him not wishing his mama a happy birthday publicly I will bring this fabulous Ed Sheeran response on twitter:

@Pegicorn_Swift: @edsheeran Really dissapointed that you didn't tweet HBD to your girl pal, Taylor. I'm sure you had your reasons but that was really sad.

@edsheeran: @Pegicorn_Swift mobile phones do exist ya know

And come on! You can't honestly said that is sad that they are spending more time with the Dorfs than with the Murrays. For one the Dorfs live in Atlanta so that is way way easy for them to meet.
A&J have been traveling to visit the Murrays and with their crazy schedule is hard to travel even for a day to visit them but they been trying, I mean they have visited Josh' grandpa several times and I bet the Murrays in Florida.
And one other thing, I'm freaking happy that Joshy and the Dorfs get along so well, have spending so much time together and that they started to treat him as a son! It's freaking awesome and you can tell how happy Andi and the clan are to have him there. It gives me so many great feelings.

What I have not seen is the Murrays (MM, father and son) visit them in Atlanta since the diner with the Dorfs. Not even once.
So you can't possibly said that they didn't try when they were the ones traveling time and time again to meet them.

luvlady345 wrote:What I don't get why is it somehow always for some get back around to pointing a finger Andi's way . Just because a family is all smiles and whatnot to the general public doesn't mean it's always like that behind the scenes. They aren't perfect but I am 100% sure they love each other but it doesn't mean they get al9ng all the time. Some will look for any excuse to blame Andi and I just dont get it. Like what is truly meant in written words on twitter or IG gets lost in translation.

I understood what you said and I agree 100%.

Exactly! I love the love with Josh and the Dorfman's! And I still truly believe Josh called his mom to wish her a happy birthday. He has definitely made an effort to see Stephanie in Athens, and his Grandpa, and MM's best friends at a UGA tailgate, even when the Murrays weren't there. He seems to be trying. We can't judge his relationship with his family based on his SM posts. That is superficial stuff! Let's remember, Aaron was the only one in the family that never posted congrats to Josh and Andi after the finale either. Does that mean he didn't congratulate his brother? I doubt it.

As far as this past weekend, The Dorfmans probably received this wedding invitation atleast a month ago and may have had a save-the-date months prior to that. It's unfortunate that the weekend that Aaron chose to propose was the same (due to a bye week for KC maybe?), but that is pretty much out of Josh's control. He couldn't possibly be in two places at once. Was he to choose his brother over his fiance and again put his brother first? Was he even asked to be included on this engagement night? We don't know. But here's something I was thinking about. When the Murray family has been together recently and Aaron or Kacie haven't been there, MM would often make mention that they were missing. Or in the case of the SC pre-season game, she posted "we miss you Kacie" on her photo of Josh, Andi and Aaron. Kacie always seems to get acknowledged. The same can not be said for Josh when he is missing from family gatherings, and he is their actual son. Here's another thing I've noticed; If there is a pic of Josh and Andi posted on her FB, MM would almost always post one of Aaron and Kacie immediately after. It's like a competition. Even the comments on MM's FB posts would make it feel like this. Which couple's pics get the most likes etc.  There was a fairly recent post from MM of Andi and Josh at an event where someone commented how they were such a beautiful couple, and someone right after posted that Kacie and Aaron were the more beautiful couple. Really, is that necessary! Very rude in my opinion. As much as I enjoy MM sharing her family with us on FB, it's almost painful sometimes to see this. Even though I know her heart is in the right place, I can't help but feel she somewhat feeds into the frenzy. Is it possible that that is why Josh unfriended MM on FB? Not because he has an issue with his mom, but maybe because he has an issue with what appears to be a competition by commenters for who is the more popular couple? We've all been speculating, and this is just another theory. Maybe this is also why he didn't publicly wish his mom a happy birthday, just because he felt he needed to because his sister and brother (and Kacie) did. Same with congratulations on the engagement. If he did it privately, that is just as meaningful. Again, maybe he is just above feeling the need to prove something on SM. Maybe he only posted about Andi and her family today because he enjoyed the weekend with them. I don't think that is a slam on his family or his feelings for them. Just IMO of course!

thirteen wrote:In response to him not wishing his mama a happy birthday publicly I will bring this fabulous Ed Sheeran response on twitter:

@Pegicorn_Swift: @edsheeran Really dissapointed that you didn't tweet HBD to your girl pal, Taylor. I'm sure you had your reasons but that was really sad.

@edsheeran: @Pegicorn_Swift mobile phones do exist ya know

And come on! You can't honestly said that is sad that they are spending more time with the Dorfs than with the Murrays. For one the Dorfs live in Atlanta so that is way way easy for them to meet.
A&J have been traveling to visit the Murrays and with their crazy schedule is hard to travel even for a day to visit them but they been trying, I mean they have visited Josh' grandpa several times and I bet the Murrays in Florida.
And one other thing, I'm freaking happy that Joshy and the Dorfs get along so well, have spending so much time together and that they started to treat him as a son! It's freaking awesome and you can tell how happy Andi and the clan are to have him there. It gives me so many great feelings.

What I have not seen is the Murrays (MM, father and son) visit them in Atlanta since the diner with the Dorfs. Not even once.
So you can't possibly said that they didn't try when they were the ones traveling time and time again to meet them.

luvlady345 wrote:What I don't get why is it somehow always for some get back around to pointing a finger Andi's way . Just because a family is all smiles and whatnot to the general public doesn't mean it's always like that behind the scenes. They aren't perfect but I am 100% sure they love each other but it doesn't mean they get al9ng all the time. Some will look for any excuse to blame Andi and I just dont get it. Like what is truly meant in written words on twitter or IG gets lost in translation.

I understood what you said and I agree 100%.

You are correct, we have not seen the Murrays in Atlanta.  I guess my question is were they invited?  Kacie has specified that the Murrays were invited by them to KC.  

Momma Murray in my opinion is trying to give Josh and Andi that space and letting him cut the cord.  As Andi so nicely said, Stephanie was the most mature one in the family, so to me, I would expect that Josh and Andi would have to extend the invitation to the Murrays.

I also said, that when the Murrays were in GA, Andi and Josh left ASAP after the football game to go to a concert with Andi's pals.  That says a lot to me.  

The two families were in KC for the engagement on Friday, yes, Josh and Andi had a wedding on Saturday, but as they showed us with the Deckers party where they had an event in ATL on Sunday, flew to NYC on Monday and were back in ATL on Tuesday for Josh to do the fashion show that night, when they want to they can fly somewhere for one night when it is important to them.

I am entitled to my opinion that I don't like seeing Josh withdrawing from the Murrays.  I have been nice in this, but I am going to state my direct opinion now.  I think Andi is a brat, and that her parents raised her to be a brat, so seeing Josh not spending as much time with his family to ingratiate himself with bratty Andi and her family and friends is sad.  

I agree Josh should not be at the Murrays beck and call and that he and Andi have to build their own life, but does that mean his family ceases to exist.  Why not a balance between the two?  

I honestly don't care for Andi, I see her posts about happy people and non-negativity as more of her subtle digs to people and as I stated before when your bff is one of the nastiest people ever on SM, you talking about others being negative on it rings pretty hollow, especially when someone brings that very thing up and you purposely delete it instead of maybe acknowledging it.  Andi is all about Andi, for me I had hoped to see her reach out and enjoy the Murrays as much as Josh enjoys the Dorfmans.  This is not what I am seeing.  

I do not post in the fan thread, but since July, I see less of the Josh I was a fan of even before this show and more of a man who is giving up who he was to be with Andi.  

I have read in the fan thread that MM is favoring her other children when she mentions and supports Josh and Andi when they have something.  She has posted for his Advocare many times.  

Tonight, I read a post that Kacie thanking her future MIL is somehow rude and showing off.  Why isn't she allowed to be happy about her engagement?  It was a sweet thing and nice that both families were part of it.  But there were not nice comments in this very thread about it.  I try to see nice things for Andi and Josh, but I strongly disagree with those who need to tear down MM, Aaron or Kacie to lift up Andi and Josh.  

May I also point out, Josh is a 30 year old man and Andi is 27.  Aaron is 23 years old, yet in his time at UGA Aaron actually graduated early and then worked towards his master's.  My UGA friends told me he earned his master's degree, but I have not seen proof of that.  Kacie is 24.  So both Andi and Josh are the older and possibly more mature people in what ever tension is happening.

I am sorry, but I would hope that Josh as a grown a** man (his very own words) could work to establish a better relationship all around.  Instead it seems some kind of difficulty is happening.  Yes, this is weird because previously Josh has always reached out to his family on SM as well as talking to them.  This is a change in what he has done in the past so is notable.  

MM survived brain cancer, this is fairly incredible, his dad had bouts with two less severe types of cancer.  Other family members have had cancer diagnoses as well.  When you have a loved one survive something like this is incredible, but the truth is that cancer often comes back and is even harder to treat and overcome when it reoccurs, so yup, I would like to see Josh and Andi reach out the his wonderful family more as well.  My opinion and I am allowed.  I do place Andi as a causative factor, along with Kacie, since we see this split since he and Andi became public as a couple.

I respect Andi and Josh fans and their right to their opinion.  I have the right to mine.  Like I said before, I have been a fan of Aaron and the Murray clan for many years watching him grow into a good man while also playing pretty great football here in GA.  My fan dome for them didn't start with this tv show.  I don't like seeing Josh removed from his family that I like and admire.

Oh and I am one of those who is guilty of liking pics of all the other Murrays but those with Andi, since really I don't like her either. I don't comment ever though. But I am entitled to like who I like, just as others are.

You have to remember that some here do not like Andi and never will. She did not pick "their" favorite Nick. My opinion. Most Andi fans did not like Nick. Should we bring back his discussion thread and continue to bash him?

I love Andi and Josh... my opinion.

I think we need to stay positive and stay respectful to posters and their opinions but also to Andi and Josh the main "discussion" on this thread. Rehashing negative opinions over, and over, and over (from the same few) is unhealthy.

soccermom333 wrote:You have to remember that some here do not like Andi and never will.  She did not pick "their" favorite Nick.  My opinion.  Most Andi fans did not like Nick.  Should we bring back his discussion thread and continue to bash him?  

I love Andi and Josh... my opinion.

I think we need to stay positive and stay respectful to posters and their opinions but also to Andi and Josh the main "discussion" on this thread. Rehashing negative opinions over, and over, and over (from the same few) is unhealthy.  

I am actually a huge Josh fan, he was my preseason favorite. I only became a Nick fan when I saw a less bratty Andi with Nick. So nope, my dislike of Andi isn't because she didn't pick my favorite. It is more that she picked my favorite and I am don't want her to change him from the nice guy he is to a self proclaimed brat like her.

^ What does this discussion have anything to do with Nick? For the record, I am glad Andi picked Josh. I think he's the better fit for her. I don't care for Andi but it doesn't mean I don't wish her happiness with Josh.
Anyway, I enjoy reading the discussions here and I can see points from both sides. Carry on!

I love andi and Josh and can't wait for their wedding. I know they are happy for Aaron and i believe andi is much softer now and that Josh brings out the best in her and she in him. :cutesmile!:

Respect everyone's opinion, but love these two.

Boy this discussion is fun. Sure hope it gives some a new perspective of the supposed family drama/problems that have apparently happened to other couples from the show. #TakingItToANewLevel

It's interesting though with the siblings, we had Ashley's sister and the JP thing (short-lived), Des and Nate, Sean and Shay, and now Josh and Aaron.