Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

nannymargie wrote:MM posted on facebook about a UGA player but nothing about Josh and Andi.  Maybe she will later once she sees all the pictures.  Fingers crossed.

Maybe someone can send her some since we do not know if anything is wrong for sure.

I just looked and looks like she's blocked non-friends again since I don't see any new posts. Hmm, guess she's done being creeped on Well, I'm disappointed!

Alanna wrote:

nannymargie wrote:MM posted on facebook about a UGA player but nothing about Josh and Andi.  Maybe she will later once she sees all the pictures.  Fingers crossed.

Maybe someone can send her some since we do not know if anything is wrong for sure.

I just looked and looks like she's blocked non-friends again since I don't see any new posts. Hmm, guess she's done being creeped on   Well, I'm disappointed!

I see a post 2 minutes ago about the UGA player again.

stuckinsc wrote:

mindless wrote:I don't think Josh looks as happy as he did a while back, but he could just be tired from all the travelling all over the place.

Like I said, I love to speculate, but if Josh is not happy it is up to Andi and Josh to figure that out and work it out.  I don't honestly see a lot of difference in his smile.  And to me Andi very rarely has a smile that reaches her eyes like Josh's usually does.  I have actually been told to smile more like Andi, it helps to avoid a double chin in photos.  

I think there's a clear difference. His smile has always been so genuine that it's hard not to notice the recent lack of sparkle in his eyes. It's like he's tired and preoccupied. Judging by pictures I'd say there's definitely something weighing on his mind. That or he's just been sleeping poorly for some reason (busy with Advocare?). Whatever it is I hope it can be resolved.

mindless wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

mindless wrote:I don't think Josh looks as happy as he did a while back, but he could just be tired from all the travelling all over the place.

Like I said, I love to speculate, but if Josh is not happy it is up to Andi and Josh to figure that out and work it out.  I don't honestly see a lot of difference in his smile.  And to me Andi very rarely has a smile that reaches her eyes like Josh's usually does.  I have actually been told to smile more like Andi, it helps to avoid a double chin in photos.  

I think there's a clear difference. His smile has always been so genuine that it's hard not to notice the recent lack of sparkle in his eyes. It's like he's tired and preoccupied. Judging by pictures I'd say there's definitely something weighing on his mind. That or he's just been sleeping poorly for some reason (busy with Advocare?). Whatever it is I hope it can be resolved.

I hope this whole thing resolves. I truly am more of a Murray fan, so sorry to see any trouble to them.

Alanna wrote:

nannymargie wrote:MM posted on facebook about a UGA player but nothing about Josh and Andi.  Maybe she will later once she sees all the pictures.  Fingers crossed.

Maybe someone can send her some since we do not know if anything is wrong for sure.

I just looked and looks like she's blocked non-friends again since I don't see any new posts. Hmm, guess she's done being creeped on   Well, I'm disappointed!

Not in the least little bit surprised because I would bet my grandson, she reads/gets info from this forum and we have been busy bees.

stuckinsc wrote:

mindless wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Like I said, I love to speculate, but if Josh is not happy it is up to Andi and Josh to figure that out and work it out.  I don't honestly see a lot of difference in his smile.  And to me Andi very rarely has a smile that reaches her eyes like Josh's usually does.  I have actually been told to smile more like Andi, it helps to avoid a double chin in photos.  

I think there's a clear difference. His smile has always been so genuine that it's hard not to notice the recent lack of sparkle in his eyes. It's like he's tired and preoccupied. Judging by pictures I'd say there's definitely something weighing on his mind. That or he's just been sleeping poorly for some reason (busy with Advocare?). Whatever it is I hope it can be resolved.

I hope this whole thing resolves.  I truly am more of a Murray fan, so sorry to see any trouble to them.

Me too, I can't see Josh letting it go to long especially now that they are starting to plan the wedding.

Kashathediva wrote:

Alanna wrote:

nannymargie wrote:MM posted on facebook about a UGA player but nothing about Josh and Andi.  Maybe she will later once she sees all the pictures.  Fingers crossed.

Maybe someone can send her some since we do not know if anything is wrong for sure.

I just looked and looks like she's blocked non-friends again since I don't see any new posts. Hmm, guess she's done being creeped on   Well, I'm disappointed!

Not in the least little bit surprised because I would bet my grandson, she reads/gets info from this forum and we have been busy bees.

I don't blame her, too. I just spent the better part of an hour catching up on this thread and if I were her, I'd pull a Lowe, and make sure to not post or comment on anything concerning those two any more. Carry on speculating.

ps
Hey, those movie people should come out of their hiatus and make one of those Carry On films about us with that title

stuckinsc wrote:

mindless wrote:I don't think Josh looks as happy as he did a while back, but he could just be tired from all the travelling all over the place.

Like I said, I love to speculate, but if Josh is not happy it is up to Andi and Josh to figure that out and work it out.  I don't honestly see a lot of difference in his smile.  And to me Andi very rarely has a smile that reaches her eyes like Josh's usually does.  I have actually been told to smile more like Andi, it helps to avoid a double chin in photos.  

Forget about Josh, Andi and the whole Murray clan SM issues...I want to know how not to get a double chin in photos!

Sprite wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

mindless wrote:I don't think Josh looks as happy as he did a while back, but he could just be tired from all the travelling all over the place.

Like I said, I love to speculate, but if Josh is not happy it is up to Andi and Josh to figure that out and work it out.  I don't honestly see a lot of difference in his smile.  And to me Andi very rarely has a smile that reaches her eyes like Josh's usually does.  I have actually been told to smile more like Andi, it helps to avoid a double chin in photos.  

Forget about Josh, Andi and the whole Murray clan SM issues...I want to know how not to get a double chin in photos!

So what I have been told that you don't smile as wide and that you keep your tongue pressed to the back of your top teeth. It supposedly looks "more professional". Andi's smile very much reminds me of what it looks like when I try to do it. Of course if you have a double chin to begin with it will not eliminate that, so it doesn't help me.

stuckinsc wrote:

Sprite wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Like I said, I love to speculate, but if Josh is not happy it is up to Andi and Josh to figure that out and work it out.  I don't honestly see a lot of difference in his smile.  And to me Andi very rarely has a smile that reaches her eyes like Josh's usually does.  I have actually been told to smile more like Andi, it helps to avoid a double chin in photos.  

Forget about Josh, Andi and the whole Murray clan SM issues...I want to know how not to get a double chin in photos!

So what I have been told that you don't smile as wide and that you keep your tongue pressed to the back of your top teeth.  It supposedly looks "more professional".  Andi's smile very much reminds me of what it looks like when I try to do it.  Of course if you have a double chin to begin with it will not eliminate that, so it doesn't help me.

Well, that won't really help me either. I can't help myself. I just have a big old smile and I giggle a lot. Doesn't always make for the best pictures but it beats having to concentrate that hard on looking good vs. just enjoying yourself...no grumpy face here.

PS -- I loved the Carry on films and think that Carry on Speculating could be a winner!

Okay, so I don't post in the fan thread, but I do feel the need to say this here.  

I have had two mother-in-laws and one almost mother-in-law.  I have seen my mother be the nosy always in her kids's business mother-in-law.  

My almost mother-in-law didn't become MIL partly because I couldn't stand that we didn't get along and also because it wasn't fair to my boyfriend and the tension of she and I not getting along hurt my relationship with him.  Over five years we went from being the "perfect" couple as all our friends told me to two people who were making each other miserable.  It didn't feel good to feel like I was never enough.  At the end of the day, I could have done more to make get along with her, but I wasn't willing to back down and neither was she.  That is both of our faults.  I did spend lots of time with her and her family, so in no way did I try to separate her son from her, but I wasn't willing to back down on my beliefs.  I will say at 22 I thought I knew everything and if it had been even ten years later I might not have felt so strongly about not backing down.  

That relationship did teach me how important it was to me to get along with MIL.  And my two have both been awesome, to the point the first one actually encouraged me to divorce her son because she hated what we were going through and hated to watch her son be mean.  We were great friends and I loved her as much as my own mother.

My second MIL has been as wonderful and a real rock for me as I lost my father and had issues with my own mother and family.  She has been wonderful about telling me that mothers should not hurt their children the way my mother does to me.  

But in both those cases my awesome MILs let me set the pace of my relationship with them.  They looked for me to guide them on how close I wanted to be with them.  They were both very sensitive to the fact that I had a mother and they in no way wanted her or me to feel that they were trying to replace her.

My mother was the opposite.  She expected to be included and was upset when she wasn't it.  If she was not acknowledged as mother and given her due, she would be angry and either pout, cry or be nasty. She loves but with a price and has not always been easy to get along with.

The difference I saw in my life and the women who have set the examples is that the best relationships came when the DIL or even SIL reached out and tried to involve the MIL in their lives.  It made a huge difference.  And I know for me is what I want and need.

I see Josh definitely reaching out to the Dorfmans a lot.  We have seen little of Andi with the Murrays.  Yes, it is harder because they are farther away, but as I have stated my MIL is over six hours away, so it can be done.  I don't know why the interaction hasn't happened, but I would love to see Andi reach out to spend more time with the Murray woman.  Right now she may be busy with weddings stuff, but she isn't working so her schedule is much more flexible than it will be if she starts working again.

I am not blaming her, but I do think if she was to make the effort to spend more time in Athens or Tampa or maybe arrange a Dorfman/Murray ladies spa weekend or something in ATL it could make a big difference.

Again, she is not to blame, but being the one to extend the olive branch can make a big difference in the long run.

All of this as always is in my opinion.

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Thank you for sharing your story, Stuck.