Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

stuckinsc wrote:

Laudergirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

You are correct, the posts accusing MM of playing favorites have been in the fan thread, but I will not post negative things there.  I do agree, the Dorfman's are closer and easier to get to.  But with the flight to NYC for the Deckers event, Andi and Josh have shown they can make time to go where they want to go to be with the people they chose to be with.  Do we know that the Stephanie picture wasn't taken when they were in ATL for the grandfather's birthday?  I really don't know as I haven't seen it, so this is just a genuine question.

For me the leaving the Murrays to go to Music Midtown is questionable, especially knowing that MM had already received her not great news by that point.  It would have been a great chance to spend time with his parents, and as I said Music Midtown is fun, but it is just a big concert.  Spending time with those you love when they are in a sad time to me would seem more important.

Although I totally agree with the bolded, for all we know MM told them to go have fun at the concert. We just don't know. The Murrays may have planned to spend the evening after the game with their close UGA friends. Josh and Andi appeared to be with them from early morning tailgating to after the game, which is still a fairly significant amount of time.

Yes, but even when the parent says go ahead, sometimes it is nice to say, nope I know how upset you are and right now, we would rather be with you.  Sorry, I respect if you all think it is cool.  To me it seemed a little silly to leave his family for a concert.  Especially when they went the night before, I think that Josh seems to be trying very hard to do things to make Andi happy, which is great, but I honestly would like to see a little more effort towards the Murrays too.  I actually thought it would have been great for Josh and Hy to join Aaron for the Clemson vs. UGA game since Hy is a huge fan of Aaron's.  I have lost quite a bit of my family and wish almost everyday that I had all that stupid time I wasted being upset with them over silly things back.  It saddens me to see Josh seemingly not as involved with his family.  The Murray bond was an awesome thing to see when Aaron was at UGA, but I will be honest, I was a huge Josh fan and so to see him separate himself so much from his family, who I like and respect makes me sad for him.  I would love to have a warm and wonderful family like the Murrays to be part of.

I actually completely agree with this sentiment! My husband and I manage to balance time with both of our families, although they are both less than an hour from us. The distance of the Murray's does complicate things. A big part of my adoration for Josh this season was his family dynamic, so I want them to get along and be the tight knit group they seem to have been all these years. But I also think that this was all foreshadowed in Josh's hometown date at the ballpark. It was going to be a time for separation for all of them he said, and it would be tough, but that is life. And Josh was looking forward to getting married and having a family and making that his life. Hopefully they find that balance.

Ash2214 wrote:^ The picture is from Stephanie's IG. It's of Andi, Stephanie, and Josh and it's in the Murray's house. They also don't have the clothing on from the hometown dates either. Plus, Stephanie wouldn't have been able to use her phone. I guess there's always the possibility that Andi and Josh got extra time during the hometown week, but I doubt it. Andi and Josh denied that when we asked them through that list of questions we had too. If that's the case, then the picture was taken after filming while the season was airing because Stephanie posted the picture right after the finale aired.  

It wouldn't surprised me if that's the case. They lived together the whole time it was airing and they were never caught.  

Thanks for letting me know. I didn't see the pic. I am glad if Andi got to go down and spend time with his family. I hope they continue to get to spend time with the Murrays and the Dorfmans. While they are becoming a couple, it is great if you can have a good and close relationship with both families, since the two families were both so close as individuals before the two got together.

stuckinsc wrote:Also, I had no idea what Kacie had favorited on SM against Andi.  I agree that was pretty silly and stupid of Kacie to favorite that tweet or IG post or whatever.  I also think that for Josh to unfollow Aaron because of it is silly.  You want to unfollow Kacie, okay, cool.  I think as a 30 year old man that he could possibly talk to his 23 year old brother and his 24 year old girlfriend and tell them it wasn't cool and it made him and his fiance feel bad instead.  Josh is the older and more mature brother.  Sometimes as the older, more mature child you have to show some patience and tolerance with your younger siblings.  

It truly was a bonehead thing for Kacie to do, but something that they all should be able to move on from.  Josh of all people with his rant tweet about Aaron getting drafted by a team who would play him and then his removal and explanation that people make mistakes sometimes could maybe forgive and forget.  Maybe, that is just my opinion again.

Oh I agree. It was just dumb of her, especially since she knew the outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more there that made Josh not too happy. I don't think it was just the tweets that set Josh off. Kacie seems sweet, but her social media speaks volumes IMO. Josh didn't unfollow Aaron until quite recently. They were fine at the end of August and Aaron was favoriting tweets from Josh and Andi. Whatever made it get a bit deeper with Aaron and Kacie had to have happened within the past month or so I would say. Timing wise, Stephanie posted about this weekend about a month ago. It was definitely planned. I threw out the idea this morning that perhaps Josh was informed Aaron would be proposing and probably wasn't a fan of that considering he's not the biggest fan of Kacie, but who knows.

I do agree that at some point one of the brothers just needs to let it go. Having close knit families on both sides is a wonderful thing and a blessing. I'm sure it will happen. It's normal for families to get into some sticky times. It's how life usually goes. Live and let go. It's nice to see too that regardless, Josh and Andi seem to be doing incredibly well.

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Also, I had no idea what Kacie had favorited on SM against Andi.  I agree that was pretty silly and stupid of Kacie to favorite that tweet or IG post or whatever.  I also think that for Josh to unfollow Aaron because of it is silly.  You want to unfollow Kacie, okay, cool.  I think as a 30 year old man that he could possibly talk to his 23 year old brother and his 24 year old girlfriend and tell them it wasn't cool and it made him and his fiance feel bad instead.  Josh is the older and more mature brother.  Sometimes as the older, more mature child you have to show some patience and tolerance with your younger siblings.  

It truly was a bonehead thing for Kacie to do, but something that they all should be able to move on from.  Josh of all people with his rant tweet about Aaron getting drafted by a team who would play him and then his removal and explanation that people make mistakes sometimes could maybe forgive and forget.  Maybe, that is just my opinion again.

Oh I agree. It was just dumb of her, especially since she knew the outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more there that made Josh not too happy. I don't think it was just the tweets that set Josh off. Kacie seems sweet, but her social media speaks volumes IMO. Josh didn't unfollow Aaron until quite recently. They were fine at the end of August and Aaron was favoriting tweets from Josh and Andi. Whatever made it get a bit deeper with Aaron and Kacie had to have happened within the past month or so I would say. Timing wise, Stephanie posted about this weekend about a month ago. It was definitely planned. I threw out the idea this morning that perhaps Josh was informed Aaron would be proposing and probably wasn't a fan of that considering he's not the biggest fan of Kacie, but who knows.

I do agree that at some point one of the brothers just needs to let it go. Having close knit families on both sides is a wonderful thing and a blessing. I'm sure it will happen. It's normal for families to get into some sticky times. It's how life usually goes. Live and let go. It's nice to see too that regardless, Josh and Andi seem to be doing incredibly well.  

Again, I agree with so much of this. And Josh does seem happy in the pictures, but it would IMO have to take an awful lot to unfriend your own brother and mom. None of it makes sense. Especially with his claim of unconditional love for them. My gut is just telling me that Kacie is at the heart of this. Like you Ash, her SM speaks volumes to me , and not in a positive way.

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Also, I had no idea what Kacie had favorited on SM against Andi.  I agree that was pretty silly and stupid of Kacie to favorite that tweet or IG post or whatever.  I also think that for Josh to unfollow Aaron because of it is silly.  You want to unfollow Kacie, okay, cool.  I think as a 30 year old man that he could possibly talk to his 23 year old brother and his 24 year old girlfriend and tell them it wasn't cool and it made him and his fiance feel bad instead.  Josh is the older and more mature brother.  Sometimes as the older, more mature child you have to show some patience and tolerance with your younger siblings.  

It truly was a bonehead thing for Kacie to do, but something that they all should be able to move on from.  Josh of all people with his rant tweet about Aaron getting drafted by a team who would play him and then his removal and explanation that people make mistakes sometimes could maybe forgive and forget.  Maybe, that is just my opinion again.

Oh I agree. It was just dumb of her, especially since she knew the outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more there that made Josh not too happy. I don't think it was just the tweets that set Josh off. Kacie seems sweet, but her social media speaks volumes IMO. Josh didn't unfollow Aaron until quite recently. They were fine at the end of August and Aaron was favoriting tweets from Josh and Andi. Whatever made it get a bit deeper with Aaron and Kacie had to have happened within the past month or so I would say. Timing wise, Stephanie posted about this weekend about a month ago. It was definitely planned. I threw out the idea this morning that perhaps Josh was informed Aaron would be proposing and probably wasn't a fan of that considering he's not the biggest fan of Kacie, but who knows.

I do agree that at some point one of the brothers just needs to let it go. Having close knit families on both sides is a wonderful thing and a blessing. I'm sure it will happen. It's normal for families to get into some sticky times. It's how life usually goes. Live and let go. It's nice to see too that regardless, Josh and Andi seem to be doing incredibly well.  

I understand that Josh may not like Kacie, just like Aaron may no longer be the hugest Andi fan either. I am saddened that Josh didn't get to be there for the engagement, since I think it was probably something that if you asked them before Josh went on the bachelor, that they would have liked to have shared with each other. I hope that one or both of them will realize that their fiances/wives may not love each other, but that doesn't mean that it has to interfere with their brotherly bond. Hopefully if Kacie and Andi ever do get to met and spend time together they will grow to have a common ground as well.

I truly just adored the Murrays, so to see anything separating this great group is sad to me. I have lost a sister and a brother as well as my father and I miss them all so much, I really do regret the times I spent being mad at them instead of enjoying the time we had together instead. Unfortunately, once they are gone you can't do anything about it.

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Also, I had no idea what Kacie had favorited on SM against Andi.  I agree that was pretty silly and stupid of Kacie to favorite that tweet or IG post or whatever.  I also think that for Josh to unfollow Aaron because of it is silly.  You want to unfollow Kacie, okay, cool.  I think as a 30 year old man that he could possibly talk to his 23 year old brother and his 24 year old girlfriend and tell them it wasn't cool and it made him and his fiance feel bad instead.  Josh is the older and more mature brother.  Sometimes as the older, more mature child you have to show some patience and tolerance with your younger siblings.  

It truly was a bonehead thing for Kacie to do, but something that they all should be able to move on from.  Josh of all people with his rant tweet about Aaron getting drafted by a team who would play him and then his removal and explanation that people make mistakes sometimes could maybe forgive and forget.  Maybe, that is just my opinion again.

Oh I agree. It was just dumb of her, especially since she knew the outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more there that made Josh not too happy. I don't think it was just the tweets that set Josh off. Kacie seems sweet, but her social media speaks volumes IMO. Josh didn't unfollow Aaron until quite recently. They were fine at the end of August and Aaron was favoriting tweets from Josh and Andi. Whatever made it get a bit deeper with Aaron and Kacie had to have happened within the past month or so I would say. Timing wise, Stephanie posted about this weekend about a month ago. It was definitely planned. I threw out the idea this morning that perhaps Josh was informed Aaron would be proposing and probably wasn't a fan of that considering he's not the biggest fan of Kacie, but who knows.

I do agree that at some point one of the brothers just needs to let it go. Having close knit families on both sides is a wonderful thing and a blessing. I'm sure it will happen. It's normal for families to get into some sticky times. It's how life usually goes. Live and let go. It's nice to see too that regardless, Josh and Andi seem to be doing incredibly well.  

I understand that Josh may not like Kacie, just like Aaron may no longer be the hugest Andi fan either.  I am saddened that Josh didn't get to be there for the engagement, since I think it was probably something that if you asked them before Josh went on the bachelor, that they would have liked to have shared with each other.  I hope that one or both of them will realize that their fiances/wives may not love each other, but that doesn't mean that it has to interfere with their brotherly bond.  Hopefully if Kacie and Andi ever do get to met and spend time together they will grow to have a common ground as well.  

I truly just adored the Murrays, so to see anything separating this great group is sad to me.  I have lost a sister and a brother as well as my father and I miss them all so much, I really do regret the times I spent being mad at them instead of enjoying the time we had together instead.  Unfortunately, once they are gone you can't do anything about it.

I agree. What's funny too is that I remember thinking that Kacie and Andi would probably get along great and would be friends. Welp, I was mistaken

I have only seen a little of Kacie's SM.  To me I haven't seen anything bad, she is a younger woman whose job is too look good on tv and to gain viewers to help her to also gain promotions at work.

I find her short outfits and sexy selfies no more disturbing than I find the pictures of Andi "sneaking" drinks at the PGA championship, which to me was incredibly disrespectful of Kelly and Andi.  If you can't act like ladies at a huge golf tournament, then stay home and let your SOs have fun without you.  Having to drink and sit around acting bored and above it all is disrespectful.  I maybe oversensitive to this, but since I live near Augusta National if you behaved this way during the Masters you would be kicked out.  For them to be given an opportunity to do something that I lot of people I know would love to have and then act like bored, spoiled brats was not cool.  Have to say, I am also not a fan of all of Kelly's tweets, many of which are written in Andi's presence, I think, and again this is only my opinion, Kelly, who doesn't give a darn, posts all the nasty things that Andi wants to say so that Andi can stay clean and look like a good girl.  Not a fan.

I found Andi's post about negative SM funny, since Kelly is one of the most negative tweeters I have ever read.  

I think Andi likes to get subtle digs in and thinks she is very clever doing it, but to me that is actually worse.  If you want to be insulting own it or rise above, don't play the games that Andi and Kelly play.

Kacie is a part of Aaron's life, just like Andi is part of Josh's.  They all need to learn to get over whatever problem they have.  

I can't say enough, right now is a time for the boys to be giving MM love and support not having to deal with her two boys and their fiances squabbling like children.  Somethings are just more important in life.  Again, my opinion.

Kashathediva wrote:I guess I don't understand what the drama is, if there really is any. 
2 couples are engaged in one family. That's a blessing.

Just had to bump this again. The voice of reason. We don't really know anything as fact. Are Andi and Kacie really "fighting?" IMHO everyone seems VERY happy. ;)

I am glad Andi and Josh are remaining positive on SM. All IMHO of course. :cutesmile!:

soccermom333 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I guess I don't understand what the drama is, if there really is any. 
2 couples are engaged in one family. That's a blessing.

Just had to bump this again.  The voice of reason.  We don't really know anything as fact.  Are Andi and Kacie really "fighting?"  IMHO everyone seems VERY happy.  ;)

I am glad Andi and Josh are remaining positive on SM.   All IMHO of course.  :cutesmile!:

100% :cutesmile!:
I like to take things positive, and dont read to much in everything !!!!

I just stalked mm (how is that woman so adorable?!) and it's her bday! So first, happy bday to one of the best moms on this show evahhh!!! And second, Josh better wish his own mommy a happy bday, privately or whatever. Otherwise he's about to be disinherited and Jodi might have to raise little Dorfmans instead of Murrays I wonder if Kacie will wish her "2nd future mommy a happy bday, oh em geee!!!!" And include some selfies just for her!

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Also, I had no idea what Kacie had favorited on SM against Andi.  I agree that was pretty silly and stupid of Kacie to favorite that tweet or IG post or whatever.  I also think that for Josh to unfollow Aaron because of it is silly.  You want to unfollow Kacie, okay, cool.  I think as a 30 year old man that he could possibly talk to his 23 year old brother and his 24 year old girlfriend and tell them it wasn't cool and it made him and his fiance feel bad instead.  Josh is the older and more mature brother.  Sometimes as the older, more mature child you have to show some patience and tolerance with your younger siblings.  

It truly was a bonehead thing for Kacie to do, but something that they all should be able to move on from.  Josh of all people with his rant tweet about Aaron getting drafted by a team who would play him and then his removal and explanation that people make mistakes sometimes could maybe forgive and forget.  Maybe, that is just my opinion again.

Oh I agree. It was just dumb of her, especially since she knew the outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more there that made Josh not too happy. I don't think it was just the tweets that set Josh off. Kacie seems sweet, but her social media speaks volumes IMO. Josh didn't unfollow Aaron until quite recently. They were fine at the end of August and Aaron was favoriting tweets from Josh and Andi. Whatever made it get a bit deeper with Aaron and Kacie had to have happened within the past month or so I would say. Timing wise, Stephanie posted about this weekend about a month ago. It was definitely planned. I threw out the idea this morning that perhaps Josh was informed Aaron would be proposing and probably wasn't a fan of that considering he's not the biggest fan of Kacie, but who knows.

I do agree that at some point one of the brothers just needs to let it go. Having close knit families on both sides is a wonderful thing and a blessing. I'm sure it will happen. It's normal for families to get into some sticky times. It's how life usually goes. Live and let go. It's nice to see too that regardless, Josh and Andi seem to be doing incredibly well.  

I understand that Josh may not like Kacie, just like Aaron may no longer be the hugest Andi fan either.  I am saddened that Josh didn't get to be there for the engagement, since I think it was probably something that if you asked them before Josh went on the bachelor, that they would have liked to have shared with each other.  I hope that one or both of them will realize that their fiances/wives may not love each other, but that doesn't mean that it has to interfere with their brotherly bond.  Hopefully if Kacie and Andi ever do get to met and spend time together they will grow to have a common ground as well.  

I truly just adored the Murrays, so to see anything separating this great group is sad to me.  I have lost a sister and a brother as well as my father and I miss them all so much, I really do regret the times I spent being mad at them instead of enjoying the time we had together instead.  Unfortunately, once they are gone you can't do anything about it.

I too feel sad about this as I admire and am very touched by the closeness of the Murray family. I certainly don't know what is going on within the family but I think something definitely is and suspect it's something between Kacie and Andi. I trust just as Ash indicated in another post that they will be able to work through the difficulty so they won't have to experience the kind of regret you so poignantly shared.

As far as Andi's tweets, I agree that she clearly has the ability to use her words to get her point across on twitter with not always the nicest of undertones. Where I disagree with you (referencing another one of your posts) is that I have observed Kacie doing the same. That being said, I believe that Josh's upbeat approach to live has already significantly rubbed off on Andi as evidenced by her being able to truly laugh at herself at the ATFR when her frown scenes were shown. (I recall an interview soon after the show ended when Andi admitted that during the airing of the show she would read some of SM comments about her and would cry for hours and credited Josh for guiding her those times by coaching her not to take things so personally. And I think she is trying to observe the credo of the IG she posted about not posting if there is nothing nice to say. At times though it's difficult for the adult to remain in the driver's seat when hurt feelings are involved.

I'm getting a little confused after reading some of the comments. None of us really know what's going on in the lives of these family member that we adore.  It's tough to blend families. Lots of big personalities in these two families. I come from a very close family. When one of my brothers got married he pulled away for a while & it hurt a lot. Thankfully he woke up & we are all close again. I blamed him for allowing that to happen because no matter who you marry, your family will always be there for you. Everything in time. It's all good again for the whole family.