Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

stuckinsc wrote:Just pointing out, that when Aaron was in GA for the Clemson vs. UGA game, Josh went to the lake with Andi and parents.  Aaron gets engaged and at least MM is there for it, but Josh is again with Andi.  It seems very much like Josh is having to make choices to be with Andi instead of his family.  Sorry even Music Midtown, they could have skipped Saturday and spent time with his family instead.  Any issues is coming from both sides, it's not like Andi and Josh are going out of their way to spend time with the Murray clan.  But they have time to hang with Kelly and her family and even go to NYC for the Deckers.  

But why always point the finger at Josh or Andi? Andi/Josh are at a wedding this weekend it seems that it is a family event why would they miss that? The door swing both ways I don't see MM and clan visiting ATL to be with Josh/Andi..... With that being said I think people are making more out of it than need to be,they all look happy to me....

stuckinsc wrote:Just pointing out, that when Aaron was in GA for the Clemson vs. UGA game, Josh went to the lake with Andi and parents.  Aaron gets engaged and at least MM is there for it, but Josh is again with Andi.  It seems very much like Josh is having to make choices to be with Andi instead of his family.  Sorry even Music Midtown, they could have skipped Saturday and spent time with his family instead.  Any issues is coming from both sides, it's not like Andi and Josh are going out of their way to spend time with the Murray clan.  But they have time to hang with Kelly and her family and even go to NYC for the Deckers.  

Seems to me that Josh is doing exactly what Lauren anticipated he would do (and said as much during the HTD); he's making Andi his priority.

docnash14 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Just pointing out, that when Aaron was in GA for the Clemson vs. UGA game, Josh went to the lake with Andi and parents.  Aaron gets engaged and at least MM is there for it, but Josh is again with Andi.  It seems very much like Josh is having to make choices to be with Andi instead of his family.  Sorry even Music Midtown, they could have skipped Saturday and spent time with his family instead.  Any issues is coming from both sides, it's not like Andi and Josh are going out of their way to spend time with the Murray clan.  But they have time to hang with Kelly and her family and even go to NYC for the Deckers.  

Seems to me that Josh is doing exactly what Lauren anticipated he would do (and said as much during the HTD); he's making Andi his priority.

I don't disagree.  But since MM is now being accused of playing favorites with Kacie and Aaron, I find that unfair.  She posts about all her children on FB quite a bit.  If she posts less about Josh and Andi it is because she may not be around them as much.  But she did post the pic of them in NYC and Josh at the charity fashion show.  I am just pointing out it does go both ways, as Luv pointed out.  If it isn't all peachy in Murray land there are things that both sides can do.  It shouldn't all be on the the Murrays to court Andi, she should be showing interest in them as her future in laws as well.  And when they were in GA she and Josh made the choice to leave after the game and go hang out in ATL with her friends instead of stay in Athens and spend time with his family.  That is okay, but then to blame MM if she isn't gushing over Andi and Josh all the time seems ridiculous or to state that Aaron and Kacie are selfish for wanting to get engaged when she made the commitment to move to be with Aaron and they have known each other and been together longer than Andi and Josh bugs me, so I felt the need to post that it isn't all the Murrays fault.

I have no problem with Josh and Andi being at the wedding today, but as they showed with the Deckers party, they could easily have been somewhere else Friday and then in NC on Saturday.  Andi is not dressed like she is a bridesmaid, so attendance at the rehearsal would not be mandatory.

Also MM is having a rough time right now, when her FB was private she posted some very distressing news.  She was very sad about it and I find it wonderful that Aaron and Kacie are reaching out to her when she is going through this very hard time, it says a lot that both are helping to give her stuff to be happy about right now and wanting to spend time with her.  Most can probably go back and find out what is happening, but since she posted it when her account was private I don't wish to state it here.

I think it is great that Andi is Josh's priority, but it would be nice to see her reaching out to his family a little bit too, they will after all be her in laws and at least before his relationship with Andi, they were very important to him. It was one of the most charming things about Josh, how much he loves his family. I would hope Andi would want to love them as well, since they are so important to Josh. I am not saying she doesn't, but now would be a good time for her to be spending some time with them. IMO.

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stuckinsc wrote:Just pointing out, that when Aaron was in GA for the Clemson vs. UGA game, Josh went to the lake with Andi and parents.  Aaron gets engaged and at least MM is there for it, but Josh is again with Andi.  It seems very much like Josh is having to make choices to be with Andi instead of his family.  Sorry even Music Midtown, they could have skipped Saturday and spent time with his family instead.  Any issues is coming from both sides, it's not like Andi and Josh are going out of their way to spend time with the Murray clan.  But they have time to hang with Kelly and her family and even go to NYC for the Deckers.  

Seems to me that Josh is doing exactly what Lauren anticipated he would do (and said as much during the HTD); he's making Andi his priority.

I don't disagree.  But since MM is now being accused of playing favorites with Kacie and Aaron, I find that unfair.  She posts about all her children on FB quite a bit.  If she posts less about Josh and Andi it is because she may not be around them as much.  But she did post the pic of them in NYC and Josh at the charity fashion show.  I am just pointing out it does go both ways, as Luv pointed out.  If it isn't all peachy in Murray land there are things that both sides can do.  It shouldn't all be on the the Murrays to court Andi, she should be showing interest in them as her future in laws as well.  And when they were in GA she and Josh made the choice to leave after the game and go hang out in ATL with her friends instead of stay in Athens and spend time with his family.  That is okay, but then to blame MM if she isn't gushing over Andi and Josh all the time seems ridiculous or to state that Aaron and Kacie are selfish for wanting to get engaged when she made the commitment to move to be with Aaron and they have known each other and been together longer than Andi and Josh bugs me, so I felt the need to post that it isn't all the Murrays fault.

I have no problem with Josh and Andi being at the wedding today, but as they showed with the Deckers party, they could easily have been somewhere else Friday and then in NC on Saturday.  Andi is not dressed like she is a bridesmaid, so attendance at the rehearsal would not be mandatory.

Also MM is having a rough time right now, when her FB was private she posted some very distressing news.  She was very sad about it and I find it wonderful that Aaron and Kacie are reaching out to her when she is going through this very hard time, it says a lot that both are helping to give her stuff to be happy about right now and wanting to spend time with her.  Most can probably go back and find out what is happening, but since she posted it when her account was private I don't wish to state it here.

I think it is great that Andi is Josh's priority, but it would be nice to see her reaching out to his family a little bit too, they will after all be her in laws and at least before his relationship with Andi, they were very important to him.  It was one of the most charming things about Josh, how much he loves his family.  I would hope Andi would want to love them as well, since they are so important to Josh.  I am not saying she doesn't, but now would be a good time for her to be spending some time with them. IMO.

Has anyone here really stated that Lauren was playing favorites? I was on here for a bit this morning during much of the debate and I didn't see much of that. It's pretty clear Lauren loves her sons equally. It's nice to see her be so open on social media about how much she cares for them and their endeavors. I think most people certainly agreed that the problems stem from Kacie, which I think is a fair assessment to a certain degree. Soon after Kacie favorited some nasty tweets about Andi including the "Andi will always play second fiddle to Kacie in the Murray household" it seemed soon then after Josh unfollowed Kacie on all social media and deleted what pictures he had with her.

In regards to spending time with families, that too is a work in progress and an adjustment. The Dorfman's live very close to them. That makes it easier to see them. My brother's fiance is from NY, but of course we see her almost daily. It's difficult for them to find time with busy lives to either drive from Boston to NY or to fly there to see her family, but they try their best. Her parents have much more free time so they head to Boston fairly frequently. It's life. Andi and Josh clearly spent time with the Murray's while the season was airing thanks to that picture from Stephanie. They spent the weekend in KC with the Murray's for Aaron's first game. Lauren went down to Atlanta to meet the Dorfman's. Andi and Josh spent Stephanie's birthday with her. It's not like Andi and Josh have made zero effort to see them.

Since we don't know any of them, we don't know what happened nor should we. To be honest, I think it's just normal life stuff. It's certainly an adjustment. families get annoyed with each other and upset and angry. You eventually work it out.

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docnash14 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Just pointing out, that when Aaron was in GA for the Clemson vs. UGA game, Josh went to the lake with Andi and parents.  Aaron gets engaged and at least MM is there for it, but Josh is again with Andi.  It seems very much like Josh is having to make choices to be with Andi instead of his family.  Sorry even Music Midtown, they could have skipped Saturday and spent time with his family instead.  Any issues is coming from both sides, it's not like Andi and Josh are going out of their way to spend time with the Murray clan.  But they have time to hang with Kelly and her family and even go to NYC for the Deckers.  

Seems to me that Josh is doing exactly what Lauren anticipated he would do (and said as much during the HTD); he's making Andi his priority.

I don't disagree.  But since MM is now being accused of playing favorites with Kacie and Aaron, I find that unfair.  She posts about all her children on FB quite a bit.  If she posts less about Josh and Andi it is because she may not be around them as much.  But she did post the pic of them in NYC and Josh at the charity fashion show.  I am just pointing out it does go both ways, as Luv pointed out.  If it isn't all peachy in Murray land there are things that both sides can do.  It shouldn't all be on the the Murrays to court Andi, she should be showing interest in them as her future in laws as well.  And when they were in GA she and Josh made the choice to leave after the game and go hang out in ATL with her friends instead of stay in Athens and spend time with his family.  That is okay, but then to blame MM if she isn't gushing over Andi and Josh all the time seems ridiculous or to state that Aaron and Kacie are selfish for wanting to get engaged when she made the commitment to move to be with Aaron and they have known each other and been together longer than Andi and Josh bugs me, so I felt the need to post that it isn't all the Murrays fault.

I have no problem with Josh and Andi being at the wedding today, but as they showed with the Deckers party, they could easily have been somewhere else Friday and then in NC on Saturday.  Andi is not dressed like she is a bridesmaid, so attendance at the rehearsal would not be mandatory.

Also MM is having a rough time right now, when her FB was private she posted some very distressing news.  She was very sad about it and I find it wonderful that Aaron and Kacie are reaching out to her when she is going through this very hard time, it says a lot that both are helping to give her stuff to be happy about right now and wanting to spend time with her.  Most can probably go back and find out what is happening, but since she posted it when her account was private I don't wish to state it here.

I think it is great that Andi is Josh's priority, but it would be nice to see her reaching out to his family a little bit too, they will after all be her in laws and at least before his relationship with Andi, they were very important to him.  It was one of the most charming things about Josh, how much he loves his family.  I would hope Andi would want to love them as well, since they are so important to Josh.  I am not saying she doesn't, but now would be a good time for her to be spending some time with them. IMO.

I'm aware of the distressing news you are referring to as I'm also a FB friend of MM, but I truly don't think that plays a part in whatever may be going on, if anything is going on. I personally don't think that it was necessary for Josh and Andi to be present for this engagement. It looks like it was a private proposal anyway (minus the photographer). I got the impression that this weekend was a plannd visit for Kacies' mom and younger sister and Lauren and Stephanie joined them. It would be the first time Stephanie saw her brother since he left for KC Camp and she seems to have a close relationship with Kacie's sister Belle. If Andi had a family wedding , I would think that would take priority over a casual visit to KC as that would be the first time her whole family would get to meet Josh. We honestly don't know if they have even been invited to KC. Especially if there are any resentful feelings between Kacie and Andi, which seems to be the popular belief right now on this board.

For the record, I too would like to see Andi spend time with the Murray family, and hopefully she will get more chances soon. I don't think Hy has even met Josh's father yet.  I also think if they are spending more time with Andi's parents it's most likely because they live in close proximity (less than 30 min. vs. 7-8 hrs. from Tampa) making it a lot easier.

I also feel that MM seems to be going out of her way to equally acknowledge all three of her kids on FB. She may post more about one when there is something major going on in their life, as in the case with Aaron and Kacie's engagement, but I don't see it as showing favortism.

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stuckinsc wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

Seems to me that Josh is doing exactly what Lauren anticipated he would do (and said as much during the HTD); he's making Andi his priority.

I don't disagree.  But since MM is now being accused of playing favorites with Kacie and Aaron, I find that unfair.  She posts about all her children on FB quite a bit.  If she posts less about Josh and Andi it is because she may not be around them as much.  But she did post the pic of them in NYC and Josh at the charity fashion show.  I am just pointing out it does go both ways, as Luv pointed out.  If it isn't all peachy in Murray land there are things that both sides can do.  It shouldn't all be on the the Murrays to court Andi, she should be showing interest in them as her future in laws as well.  And when they were in GA she and Josh made the choice to leave after the game and go hang out in ATL with her friends instead of stay in Athens and spend time with his family.  That is okay, but then to blame MM if she isn't gushing over Andi and Josh all the time seems ridiculous or to state that Aaron and Kacie are selfish for wanting to get engaged when she made the commitment to move to be with Aaron and they have known each other and been together longer than Andi and Josh bugs me, so I felt the need to post that it isn't all the Murrays fault.

I have no problem with Josh and Andi being at the wedding today, but as they showed with the Deckers party, they could easily have been somewhere else Friday and then in NC on Saturday.  Andi is not dressed like she is a bridesmaid, so attendance at the rehearsal would not be mandatory.

Also MM is having a rough time right now, when her FB was private she posted some very distressing news.  She was very sad about it and I find it wonderful that Aaron and Kacie are reaching out to her when she is going through this very hard time, it says a lot that both are helping to give her stuff to be happy about right now and wanting to spend time with her.  Most can probably go back and find out what is happening, but since she posted it when her account was private I don't wish to state it here.

I think it is great that Andi is Josh's priority, but it would be nice to see her reaching out to his family a little bit too, they will after all be her in laws and at least before his relationship with Andi, they were very important to him.  It was one of the most charming things about Josh, how much he loves his family.  I would hope Andi would want to love them as well, since they are so important to Josh.  I am not saying she doesn't, but now would be a good time for her to be spending some time with them. IMO.

Has anyone here really stated that Lauren was playing favorites? I was on here for a bit this morning during much of the debate and I didn't see much of that. It's pretty clear Lauren loves her sons equally. It's nice to see her be so open on social media about how much she cares for them and their endeavors. I think most people certainly agreed that the problems stem from Kacie, which I think is a fair assessment to a certain degree. Soon after Kacie favorited some nasty tweets about Andi including the "Andi will always play second fiddle to Kacie in the Murray household" it seemed soon then after Josh unfollowed Kacie on all social media and deleted what pictures he had with her.

In regards to spending time with families, that too is a work in progress and an adjustment. The Dorfman's live very close to them. That makes it easier to see them. My brother's fiance is from NY, but of course we see her almost daily. It's difficult for them to find time with busy lives to either drive from Boston to NY or to fly there to see her family, but they try their best. Her parents have much more free time so they head to Boston fairly frequently. It's life. Andi and Josh clearly spent time with the Murray's while the season was airing thanks to that picture from Stephanie. They spent the weekend in KC with the Murray's for Aaron's first game. Lauren went down to Atlanta to meet the Dorfman's. Andi and Josh spent Stephanie's birthday with her. It's not like Andi and Josh have made zero effort to see them.  

Since we don't know any of them, we don't know what happened nor should we. To be honest, I think it's just normal life stuff. It's certainly an adjustment. families get annoyed with each other and upset and angry. You eventually work it out.  

You are correct, the posts accusing MM of playing favorites have been in the fan thread, but I will not post negative things there. I do agree, the Dorfman's are closer and easier to get to. But with the flight to NYC for the Deckers event, Andi and Josh have shown they can make time to go where they want to go to be with the people they chose to be with. Do we know that the Stephanie picture wasn't taken when they were in ATL for the grandfather's birthday? I really don't know as I haven't seen it, so this is just a genuine question.

For me the leaving the Murrays to go to Music Midtown is questionable, especially knowing that MM had already received her not great news by that point. It would have been a great chance to spend time with his parents, and as I said Music Midtown is fun, but it is just a big concert. Spending time with those you love when they are in a sad time to me would seem more important.

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

I don't disagree.  But since MM is now being accused of playing favorites with Kacie and Aaron, I find that unfair.  She posts about all her children on FB quite a bit.  If she posts less about Josh and Andi it is because she may not be around them as much.  But she did post the pic of them in NYC and Josh at the charity fashion show.  I am just pointing out it does go both ways, as Luv pointed out.  If it isn't all peachy in Murray land there are things that both sides can do.  It shouldn't all be on the the Murrays to court Andi, she should be showing interest in them as her future in laws as well.  And when they were in GA she and Josh made the choice to leave after the game and go hang out in ATL with her friends instead of stay in Athens and spend time with his family.  That is okay, but then to blame MM if she isn't gushing over Andi and Josh all the time seems ridiculous or to state that Aaron and Kacie are selfish for wanting to get engaged when she made the commitment to move to be with Aaron and they have known each other and been together longer than Andi and Josh bugs me, so I felt the need to post that it isn't all the Murrays fault.

I have no problem with Josh and Andi being at the wedding today, but as they showed with the Deckers party, they could easily have been somewhere else Friday and then in NC on Saturday.  Andi is not dressed like she is a bridesmaid, so attendance at the rehearsal would not be mandatory.

Also MM is having a rough time right now, when her FB was private she posted some very distressing news.  She was very sad about it and I find it wonderful that Aaron and Kacie are reaching out to her when she is going through this very hard time, it says a lot that both are helping to give her stuff to be happy about right now and wanting to spend time with her.  Most can probably go back and find out what is happening, but since she posted it when her account was private I don't wish to state it here.

I think it is great that Andi is Josh's priority, but it would be nice to see her reaching out to his family a little bit too, they will after all be her in laws and at least before his relationship with Andi, they were very important to him.  It was one of the most charming things about Josh, how much he loves his family.  I would hope Andi would want to love them as well, since they are so important to Josh.  I am not saying she doesn't, but now would be a good time for her to be spending some time with them. IMO.

Has anyone here really stated that Lauren was playing favorites? I was on here for a bit this morning during much of the debate and I didn't see much of that. It's pretty clear Lauren loves her sons equally. It's nice to see her be so open on social media about how much she cares for them and their endeavors. I think most people certainly agreed that the problems stem from Kacie, which I think is a fair assessment to a certain degree. Soon after Kacie favorited some nasty tweets about Andi including the "Andi will always play second fiddle to Kacie in the Murray household" it seemed soon then after Josh unfollowed Kacie on all social media and deleted what pictures he had with her.

In regards to spending time with families, that too is a work in progress and an adjustment. The Dorfman's live very close to them. That makes it easier to see them. My brother's fiance is from NY, but of course we see her almost daily. It's difficult for them to find time with busy lives to either drive from Boston to NY or to fly there to see her family, but they try their best. Her parents have much more free time so they head to Boston fairly frequently. It's life. Andi and Josh clearly spent time with the Murray's while the season was airing thanks to that picture from Stephanie. They spent the weekend in KC with the Murray's for Aaron's first game. Lauren went down to Atlanta to meet the Dorfman's. Andi and Josh spent Stephanie's birthday with her. It's not like Andi and Josh have made zero effort to see them.  

Since we don't know any of them, we don't know what happened nor should we. To be honest, I think it's just normal life stuff. It's certainly an adjustment. families get annoyed with each other and upset and angry. You eventually work it out.  

You are correct, the posts accusing MM of playing favorites have been in the fan thread, but I will not post negative things there.  I do agree, the Dorfman's are closer and easier to get to.  But with the flight to NYC for the Deckers event, Andi and Josh have shown they can make time to go where they want to go to be with the people they chose to be with.  Do we know that the Stephanie picture wasn't taken when they were in ATL for the grandfather's birthday?  I really don't know as I haven't seen it, so this is just a genuine question.

For me the leaving the Murrays to go to Music Midtown is questionable, especially knowing that MM had already received her not great news by that point.  It would have been a great chance to spend time with his parents, and as I said Music Midtown is fun, but it is just a big concert.  Spending time with those you love when they are in a sad time to me would seem more important.

Although I totally agree with the bolded, for all we know MM told them to go have fun at the concert. We just don't know. The Murrays may have planned to spend the evening after the game with their close UGA friends. Josh and Adi appeared to be with them from early morning tailgating to after the game, which is still a fairly significant amount of time.

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Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

I don't disagree.  But since MM is now being accused of playing favorites with Kacie and Aaron, I find that unfair.  She posts about all her children on FB quite a bit.  If she posts less about Josh and Andi it is because she may not be around them as much.  But she did post the pic of them in NYC and Josh at the charity fashion show.  I am just pointing out it does go both ways, as Luv pointed out.  If it isn't all peachy in Murray land there are things that both sides can do.  It shouldn't all be on the the Murrays to court Andi, she should be showing interest in them as her future in laws as well.  And when they were in GA she and Josh made the choice to leave after the game and go hang out in ATL with her friends instead of stay in Athens and spend time with his family.  That is okay, but then to blame MM if she isn't gushing over Andi and Josh all the time seems ridiculous or to state that Aaron and Kacie are selfish for wanting to get engaged when she made the commitment to move to be with Aaron and they have known each other and been together longer than Andi and Josh bugs me, so I felt the need to post that it isn't all the Murrays fault.

I have no problem with Josh and Andi being at the wedding today, but as they showed with the Deckers party, they could easily have been somewhere else Friday and then in NC on Saturday.  Andi is not dressed like she is a bridesmaid, so attendance at the rehearsal would not be mandatory.

Also MM is having a rough time right now, when her FB was private she posted some very distressing news.  She was very sad about it and I find it wonderful that Aaron and Kacie are reaching out to her when she is going through this very hard time, it says a lot that both are helping to give her stuff to be happy about right now and wanting to spend time with her.  Most can probably go back and find out what is happening, but since she posted it when her account was private I don't wish to state it here.

I think it is great that Andi is Josh's priority, but it would be nice to see her reaching out to his family a little bit too, they will after all be her in laws and at least before his relationship with Andi, they were very important to him.  It was one of the most charming things about Josh, how much he loves his family.  I would hope Andi would want to love them as well, since they are so important to Josh.  I am not saying she doesn't, but now would be a good time for her to be spending some time with them. IMO.

Has anyone here really stated that Lauren was playing favorites? I was on here for a bit this morning during much of the debate and I didn't see much of that. It's pretty clear Lauren loves her sons equally. It's nice to see her be so open on social media about how much she cares for them and their endeavors. I think most people certainly agreed that the problems stem from Kacie, which I think is a fair assessment to a certain degree. Soon after Kacie favorited some nasty tweets about Andi including the "Andi will always play second fiddle to Kacie in the Murray household" it seemed soon then after Josh unfollowed Kacie on all social media and deleted what pictures he had with her.

In regards to spending time with families, that too is a work in progress and an adjustment. The Dorfman's live very close to them. That makes it easier to see them. My brother's fiance is from NY, but of course we see her almost daily. It's difficult for them to find time with busy lives to either drive from Boston to NY or to fly there to see her family, but they try their best. Her parents have much more free time so they head to Boston fairly frequently. It's life. Andi and Josh clearly spent time with the Murray's while the season was airing thanks to that picture from Stephanie. They spent the weekend in KC with the Murray's for Aaron's first game. Lauren went down to Atlanta to meet the Dorfman's. Andi and Josh spent Stephanie's birthday with her. It's not like Andi and Josh have made zero effort to see them.  

Since we don't know any of them, we don't know what happened nor should we. To be honest, I think it's just normal life stuff. It's certainly an adjustment. families get annoyed with each other and upset and angry. You eventually work it out.  

You are correct, the posts accusing MM of playing favorites have been in the fan thread, but I will not post negative things there.  I do agree, the Dorfman's are closer and easier to get to.  But with the flight to NYC for the Deckers event, Andi and Josh have shown they can make time to go where they want to go to be with the people they chose to be with.  Do we know that the Stephanie picture wasn't taken when they were in ATL for the grandfather's birthday?  I really don't know as I haven't seen it, so this is just a genuine question.

For me the leaving the Murrays to go to Music Midtown is questionable, especially knowing that MM had already received her not great news by that point.  It would have been a great chance to spend time with his parents, and as I said Music Midtown is fun, but it is just a big concert.  Spending time with those you love when they are in a sad time to me would seem more important.

Although I totally agree with the bolded, for all we know MM told them to go have fun at the concert. We just don't know. The Murrays may have planned to spend the evening after the game with their close UGA friends. Josh and Andi appeared to be with them from early morning tailgating to after the game, which is still a fairly significant amount of time.

Also, I had no idea what Kacie had favorited on SM against Andi. I agree that was pretty silly and stupid of Kacie to favorite that tweet or IG post or whatever. I also think that for Josh to unfollow Aaron because of it is silly. You want to unfollow Kacie, okay, cool. I think as a 30 year old man that he could possibly talk to his 23 year old brother and his 24 year old girlfriend and tell them it wasn't cool and it made him and his fiance feel bad instead. Josh is the older and more mature brother. Sometimes as the older, more mature child you have to show some patience and tolerance with your younger siblings.

It truly was a bonehead thing for Kacie to do, but something that they all should be able to move on from. Josh of all people with his rant tweet about Aaron getting drafted by a team who would play him and then his removal and explanation that people make mistakes sometimes could maybe forgive and forget. Maybe, that is just my opinion again.

Andi and Josh have their own life to lead and they seem to be doing just that and enjoying themselves. Josh is 30, and making Andi a priority. He does not need to be at every single family event. Good for them for being able to travel to NYC to see friends and do a benefit.

Everyone looks happy.... just saying. :cutesmile!:

^ The picture is from Stephanie's IG. It's of Andi, Stephanie, and Josh and it's in the Murray's house. They also don't have the clothing on from the hometown dates either. Plus, Stephanie wouldn't have been able to use her phone. I guess there's always the possibility that Andi and Josh got extra time during the hometown week, but I doubt it. Andi and Josh denied that when we asked them through that list of questions we had too. If that's the case, then the picture was taken after filming while the season was airing because Stephanie posted the picture right after the finale aired.

It wouldn't surprised me if that's the case. They lived together the whole time it was airing and they were never caught.

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stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

Has anyone here really stated that Lauren was playing favorites? I was on here for a bit this morning during much of the debate and I didn't see much of that. It's pretty clear Lauren loves her sons equally. It's nice to see her be so open on social media about how much she cares for them and their endeavors. I think most people certainly agreed that the problems stem from Kacie, which I think is a fair assessment to a certain degree. Soon after Kacie favorited some nasty tweets about Andi including the "Andi will always play second fiddle to Kacie in the Murray household" it seemed soon then after Josh unfollowed Kacie on all social media and deleted what pictures he had with her.

In regards to spending time with families, that too is a work in progress and an adjustment. The Dorfman's live very close to them. That makes it easier to see them. My brother's fiance is from NY, but of course we see her almost daily. It's difficult for them to find time with busy lives to either drive from Boston to NY or to fly there to see her family, but they try their best. Her parents have much more free time so they head to Boston fairly frequently. It's life. Andi and Josh clearly spent time with the Murray's while the season was airing thanks to that picture from Stephanie. They spent the weekend in KC with the Murray's for Aaron's first game. Lauren went down to Atlanta to meet the Dorfman's. Andi and Josh spent Stephanie's birthday with her. It's not like Andi and Josh have made zero effort to see them.  

Since we don't know any of them, we don't know what happened nor should we. To be honest, I think it's just normal life stuff. It's certainly an adjustment. families get annoyed with each other and upset and angry. You eventually work it out.  

You are correct, the posts accusing MM of playing favorites have been in the fan thread, but I will not post negative things there.  I do agree, the Dorfman's are closer and easier to get to.  But with the flight to NYC for the Deckers event, Andi and Josh have shown they can make time to go where they want to go to be with the people they chose to be with.  Do we know that the Stephanie picture wasn't taken when they were in ATL for the grandfather's birthday?  I really don't know as I haven't seen it, so this is just a genuine question.

For me the leaving the Murrays to go to Music Midtown is questionable, especially knowing that MM had already received her not great news by that point.  It would have been a great chance to spend time with his parents, and as I said Music Midtown is fun, but it is just a big concert.  Spending time with those you love when they are in a sad time to me would seem more important.

Although I totally agree with the bolded, for all we know MM told them to go have fun at the concert. We just don't know. The Murrays may have planned to spend the evening after the game with their close UGA friends. Josh and Andi appeared to be with them from early morning tailgating to after the game, which is still a fairly significant amount of time.

Yes, but even when the parent says go ahead, sometimes it is nice to say, nope I know how upset you are and right now, we would rather be with you. Sorry, I respect if you all think it is cool. To me it seemed a little silly to leave his family for a concert. Especially when they went the night before, I think that Josh seems to be trying very hard to do things to make Andi happy, which is great, but I honestly would like to see a little more effort towards the Murrays too. I actually thought it would have been great for Josh and Hy to join Aaron for the Clemson vs. UGA game since Hy is a huge fan of Aaron's. I have lost quite a bit of my family and wish almost everyday that I had all that stupid time I wasted being upset with them over silly things back. It saddens me to see Josh seemingly not as involved with his family. The Murray bond was an awesome thing to see when Aaron was at UGA, but I will be honest, I was a huge Josh fan and so to see him separate himself so much from his family, who I like and respect makes me sad for him. I would love to have a warm and wonderful family like the Murrays to be part of.