Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

GuardianAngel wrote:Was there ever a realistic chance that it would have been Aaron chosen as the starting QB?

I'd say none. But there was some speculation that KC might trade Chase Daniel which would leave the backup QB slot open. There was also a possibility that KC might have signed a shorter term contract with Smith which could mean less of a wait to get a shot at starting QB. With Smith in for 4 years and Daniel next in line, Aaron could be looking at little chance for a starting position for at least 4 years and maybe more like 6. Aaron's best shot at KC is if he develops well over the next year (or maybe two) they might cut or trade Daniel and give Aaron the backup QB job but as it is, he'll likely get little playing time.

The good news is that it sounds to me as though the QBs for KC work well as a team and it will be a good learning experience for Aaron - for a year or two. But too long as 3rd string is going to make it hard to ever get a starting position.

docnash14 wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:The Chiefs starting QB just signed a pretty hefty extension today and he's only 30 years old. Aaron is technically third in line. With the starter getting an extension, yet another QB ahead of Aaron making it two other players ahead of him, well that's tough for him.

For example, the Pats (I'm from Boston) had 3 QBs on their roster. Obviously Tom Brady is their #1 and will be for a few more years, but today they traded their #2 so that their rookie QB they drafted this year will now be the #2, which obviously leads to more opportunity to grow as a player.

I think Josh is just voicing his frustration knowing there are several teams that have situations like the Patriots for example that would probably be better suited for his brother, which makes sense.

From the interviews I have seen, I think that Aaron expected to sit back and learn the first couple of years.  I think there's a big difference though between a couple of years and five years.  And as i just said in the fan thread when I heard the announcement earlier on ESPN about Alex' contract extension my first thought was that it did not bode well for Aaron.  That being said, I was a little surprised that Josh would tweet that.  But, as we know, his protective instincts run deep where Aaron is concerned.

I doubt that the team will do much based on Josh's tweet. I mean, he's family, but not the player himself. Now if it had been Aaron, he might get a nice little chat from the front office. The way I see it, family has the right to criticize the team if they want.

No problem GA. I'm in agreement that he probably shouldn't have tweeted that out considering the Chiefs official Twitter page has responded to a few of Josh and Andi's tweets before, but oh well.

I don't think Josh necessarily thought that Aaron would be a starting QB on a team, but rather would have an opportunity to compete. With Alex Smith signing an extension at a fairly young age it pretty much cements him as the starter for now and down the road, unless something crazy happens. Chase Daniel is next in line followed by Aaron. It will be tough for Aaron to compete for any real playing time. Obviously you can absolutely learn and grow as a player by watching, but it's important to play, particularly when you're young and you need to adjust to the NFL.

With the example of the Pats, our rookie QB will be able to learn from Brady for about four years and hopefully he'll be ready to go. The team apparently wants to make that all possible for him considering we just traded our #2 QB and now the rookie has that spot. For Aaron with the Chiefs, it certainly will not be like that unless something crazy happens. I'm just guessing that it must be tough for Josh to see guys, like the rookie QB on the Pats, get an opportunity like the one he has where it will be much tougher for Aaron to really prove himself as a potential NFL QB. Anything can happen though, so like Josh said in the tweet patience will be a good thing!

Man, I can't believe I'm talking this much about football. I'm a hockey girl through and through

Lucas15 wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Was there ever a realistic chance that it would have been Aaron chosen as the starting QB?

I'd say none. But there was some speculation that KC might trade Chase Daniel which would leave the backup QB slot open. There was also a possibility that KC might have signed a shorter term contract with Smith which could mean less of a wait to get a shot at starting QB. With Smith in for 4 years and Daniel next in line, Aaron could be looking at little chance for a starting position for at least 4 years and maybe more like 6. Aaron's best shot at KC is if he develops well over the next year (or maybe two) they might cut or trade Daniel and give Aaron the backup QB job but as it is, he'll likely get little playing time.

The good news is that it sounds to me as though the QBs for KC work well as a team and it will be a good learning experience for Aaron - for a year or two. But too long as 3rd string is going to make it hard to ever get a starting position.

Thanks for explaining Lucas. IMO Josh should keep his pretty little mouth quiet. He may be protective of his brother, but acting like a cry baby doesn't make him look too professional.

Ash2214 wrote:The Chiefs starting QB just signed a pretty hefty extension today and he's only 30 years old. Aaron is technically third in line. With the starter getting an extension, yet another QB ahead of Aaron making it two other players ahead of him, well that's tough for him.

For example, the Pats (I'm from Boston) had 3 QBs on their roster. Obviously Tom Brady is their #1 and will be for a few more years, but today they traded their #2 so that their rookie QB they drafted this year will now be the #2, which obviously leads to more opportunity to grow as a player.

I think Josh is just voicing his frustration knowing there are several teams that have situations like the Patriots for example that would probably be better suited for his brother, which makes sense.

Chase Daniels, the number two QB for KC, will never be a starting QB either.

Aaron was drafted in the fifth round and needs a ton of time to develop. He has potential, but is still young and needs some work and may in fact still be developing strength in his knee post serious injury last season.

Alex Smith , the starter, is good, but he isn't great and long term contracts in the NFL mean almost nothing. Alex Smith has also had a history of injury and actually ended up in KC because he lost his starting job after injury in SF.

Making Aaron third string allows him to practice with the team and to learn and grow from the coaches, but doesn't put insane pressure on him if Alex Smith gets injured or fails.

So no, Aaron got on a good team with a good coach and a team that is giving him plenty of time to develop with two very smart and decent QBs to learn from.

By the way, the Patriots second string QB sees almost no playing time at all. They actually had to showcase the QB they traded this season to show another team he might be worth giving them something and he was also a higher draft pick than Aaron as well. So yes, it is great to be the number two in New England, but as number three in KC Aaron will probably see the playing field a lot sooner.

The fact is that Aaron went in the fifth round of the draft, that QB who went to the Patriots went in round two.

Aaron should be grateful for making the team and getting to develop, and his family should be smart enough to not post things that are derogatory in anyway to the team giving him a chance. I would think Josh who has always shown gratitude to the Milwaukee Brewers would know better.

I'm sure we have all done and said things in the heat of frustration that maybe we shouldn't have. Now if he kept on making comments that would be another story. Probably KC won't even see it.

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:The Chiefs starting QB just signed a pretty hefty extension today and he's only 30 years old. Aaron is technically third in line. With the starter getting an extension, yet another QB ahead of Aaron making it two other players ahead of him, well that's tough for him.

For example, the Pats (I'm from Boston) had 3 QBs on their roster. Obviously Tom Brady is their #1 and will be for a few more years, but today they traded their #2 so that their rookie QB they drafted this year will now be the #2, which obviously leads to more opportunity to grow as a player.

I think Josh is just voicing his frustration knowing there are several teams that have situations like the Patriots for example that would probably be better suited for his brother, which makes sense.

Chase Daniels, the number two QB for KC, will never be a starting QB either.  

Aaron was drafted in the fifth round and needs a ton of time to develop.  He has potential, but is still young and needs some work and may in fact still be developing strength in his knee post serious injury last season.  

Alex Smith , the starter, is good, but he isn't great and long term contracts in the NFL mean almost nothing.  Alex Smith has also had a history of injury and actually ended up in KC because he lost his starting job after injury in SF.  

Making Aaron third string allows him to practice with the team and to learn and grow from the coaches, but doesn't put insane pressure on him if Alex Smith gets injured or fails.

So no, Aaron got on a good team with a good coach and a team that is giving him plenty of time to develop with two very smart and decent QBs to learn from.  

By the way, the Patriots second string QB sees almost no playing time at all.  They actually had to showcase the QB they traded this season to show another team he might be worth giving them something and he was also a higher draft pick than Aaron as well.  So yes, it is great to be the number two in New England, but as number three in KC Aaron will probably see the playing field a lot sooner.

The fact is that Aaron went in the fifth round of the draft, that QB who went to the Patriots went in round two.

Aaron should be grateful for making the team and getting to develop, and his family should be smart enough to not post things that are derogatory in anyway to the team giving him a chance.  I would think Josh who has always shown gratitude to the Milwaukee Brewers would know better.

i think you make many valid points. While he did go in the 5th round, I just heard an announcer say the other day (can't recall if it was during the KC game or the Georgia game yesterday) that if it had not been for the injury, Aaron would have gone much higher possibly the second round. As it is, even though he has stated he has completed rehab-ed from his injury, he needs time to develop - how much time is the question IMO.

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:The Chiefs starting QB just signed a pretty hefty extension today and he's only 30 years old. Aaron is technically third in line. With the starter getting an extension, yet another QB ahead of Aaron making it two other players ahead of him, well that's tough for him.

For example, the Pats (I'm from Boston) had 3 QBs on their roster. Obviously Tom Brady is their #1 and will be for a few more years, but today they traded their #2 so that their rookie QB they drafted this year will now be the #2, which obviously leads to more opportunity to grow as a player.

I think Josh is just voicing his frustration knowing there are several teams that have situations like the Patriots for example that would probably be better suited for his brother, which makes sense.

Chase Daniels, the number two QB for KC, will never be a starting QB either.  

Aaron was drafted in the fifth round and needs a ton of time to develop.  He has potential, but is still young and needs some work and may in fact still be developing strength in his knee post serious injury last season.  

Alex Smith , the starter, is good, but he isn't great and long term contracts in the NFL mean almost nothing.  Alex Smith has also had a history of injury and actually ended up in KC because he lost his starting job after injury in SF.  

Making Aaron third string allows him to practice with the team and to learn and grow from the coaches, but doesn't put insane pressure on him if Alex Smith gets injured or fails.

So no, Aaron got on a good team with a good coach and a team that is giving him plenty of time to develop with two very smart and decent QBs to learn from.  

By the way, the Patriots second string QB sees almost no playing time at all.  They actually had to showcase the QB they traded this season to show another team he might be worth giving them something and he was also a higher draft pick than Aaron as well.  So yes, it is great to be the number two in New England, but as number three in KC Aaron will probably see the playing field a lot sooner.

The fact is that Aaron went in the fifth round of the draft, that QB who went to the Patriots went in round two.

Aaron should be grateful for making the team and getting to develop, and his family should be smart enough to not post things that are derogatory in anyway to the team giving him a chance.  I would think Josh who has always shown gratitude to the Milwaukee Brewers would know better.

I didn't state Aaron was placed on a bad team. It's as simple as this for me - if you stay in line as a teams #3 QB for a decent amount of time, it will be quite difficult to fully develop and prove yourself as a starting QB in the NFL. Mallet, the QB the Pats just traded, is a great example of this and he was drafted in the 3rd round and had some decent expectations placed on him and it never amounted to anything because up until last year, he was #3. As an actual Pats fan that grew up in Boston, I don't need to be told about what they do or don't do. They also never showcased Mallet because there was nothing to showcase.

All I'm saying is I understand where Josh's frustrations are coming from, especially when you look at an example, such as the Pats. Garoppolo gets to be behind one of the best QB's ever and be #2. If something were to happen to Brady, Garoppolo would be up. If you read another one of my posts, you would see that I didn't think it was smart that Josh tweeted that out.

Ash2214 wrote:No problem GA. I'm in agreement that he probably shouldn't have tweeted that out considering the Chiefs official Twitter page has responded to a few of Josh and Andi's tweets before, but oh well.

I don't think Josh necessarily thought that Aaron would be a starting QB on a team, but rather would have an opportunity to compete. With Alex Smith signing an extension at a fairly young age it pretty much cements him as the starter for now and down the road, unless something crazy happens. Chase Daniel is next in line followed by Aaron. It will be tough for Aaron to compete for any real playing time. Obviously you can absolutely learn and grow as a player by watching, but it's important to play, particularly when you're young and you need to adjust to the NFL.

With the example of the Pats, our rookie QB will be able to learn from Brady for about four years and hopefully he'll be ready to go. The team apparently wants to make that all possible for him considering we just traded our #2 QB and now the rookie has that spot. For Aaron with the Chiefs, it certainly will not be like that unless something crazy happens. I'm just guessing that it must be tough for Josh to see guys, like the rookie QB on the Pats, get an opportunity like the one he has where it will be much tougher for Aaron to really prove himself as a potential NFL QB. Anything can happen though, so like Josh said in the tweet patience will be a good thing!

Man, I can't believe I'm talking this much about football. I'm a hockey girl through and through

First Alex Smith had one year left on his contract. He is a productive QB, so it seems pretty natural to sign him to an extension and honestly if you look at QB contracts less than 4 years when Andy Dalton and other QBs are signing longer and higher money extensions it is not that long or impressive.

Chase Daniels is experienced and smart and will never be a starter, but can come into the game and keep control while Aaron is probably too young and inexperienced for that at this time. With Alex Smith's history, it is actually very critical for the Chiefs to have a ready to go back up that will carry them through a game or two without much drop off.

Alex Smith missed multiple games his rookie season 2005 with injuries, 2007 same thing, again in 2008, 2010 less time missed but still injured, 2012 was injured and lost his job to Colin Kaepernick. So no, I don't view this as Aaron having to wait a really long time to get a chance, but rather not being put in the hot seat to have to take over for a starting QB who has been injured at least every other year of his career and made it through last year without an injury so might be seen as due.

As for the Patriots, the only time Tom Brady hasn't started is when the games don't mean anything or the season he had his knee injured. I doubt that his backup will see much playing time this season either.

It was a stupid tweet from an otherwise very media savvy man from a very media savvy family.

docnash14 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:The Chiefs starting QB just signed a pretty hefty extension today and he's only 30 years old. Aaron is technically third in line. With the starter getting an extension, yet another QB ahead of Aaron making it two other players ahead of him, well that's tough for him.

For example, the Pats (I'm from Boston) had 3 QBs on their roster. Obviously Tom Brady is their #1 and will be for a few more years, but today they traded their #2 so that their rookie QB they drafted this year will now be the #2, which obviously leads to more opportunity to grow as a player.

I think Josh is just voicing his frustration knowing there are several teams that have situations like the Patriots for example that would probably be better suited for his brother, which makes sense.

Chase Daniels, the number two QB for KC, will never be a starting QB either.  

Aaron was drafted in the fifth round and needs a ton of time to develop.  He has potential, but is still young and needs some work and may in fact still be developing strength in his knee post serious injury last season.  

Alex Smith , the starter, is good, but he isn't great and long term contracts in the NFL mean almost nothing.  Alex Smith has also had a history of injury and actually ended up in KC because he lost his starting job after injury in SF.  

Making Aaron third string allows him to practice with the team and to learn and grow from the coaches, but doesn't put insane pressure on him if Alex Smith gets injured or fails.

So no, Aaron got on a good team with a good coach and a team that is giving him plenty of time to develop with two very smart and decent QBs to learn from.  

By the way, the Patriots second string QB sees almost no playing time at all.  They actually had to showcase the QB they traded this season to show another team he might be worth giving them something and he was also a higher draft pick than Aaron as well.  So yes, it is great to be the number two in New England, but as number three in KC Aaron will probably see the playing field a lot sooner.

The fact is that Aaron went in the fifth round of the draft, that QB who went to the Patriots went in round two.

Aaron should be grateful for making the team and getting to develop, and his family should be smart enough to not post things that are derogatory in anyway to the team giving him a chance.  I would think Josh who has always shown gratitude to the Milwaukee Brewers would know better.

i think you make many valid points.  While he did go in the 5th round, I just heard an announcer say the other day (can't recall if it was during the KC game or the Georgia game yesterday) that if it had not been for the injury, Aaron would have gone much higher possibly the second round.  As it is, even though he has stated he has completed rehab-ed from his injury, he needs time to develop - how much time is the question IMO.

As someone who has had two ACL reconstructions, I can tell anyone that it takes most people, even pro athletes, at least two years to be completely recovered from the injury both physically and mentally. This time to develop will be good for his game and his knee.

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:No problem GA. I'm in agreement that he probably shouldn't have tweeted that out considering the Chiefs official Twitter page has responded to a few of Josh and Andi's tweets before, but oh well.

I don't think Josh necessarily thought that Aaron would be a starting QB on a team, but rather would have an opportunity to compete. With Alex Smith signing an extension at a fairly young age it pretty much cements him as the starter for now and down the road, unless something crazy happens. Chase Daniel is next in line followed by Aaron. It will be tough for Aaron to compete for any real playing time. Obviously you can absolutely learn and grow as a player by watching, but it's important to play, particularly when you're young and you need to adjust to the NFL.

With the example of the Pats, our rookie QB will be able to learn from Brady for about four years and hopefully he'll be ready to go. The team apparently wants to make that all possible for him considering we just traded our #2 QB and now the rookie has that spot. For Aaron with the Chiefs, it certainly will not be like that unless something crazy happens. I'm just guessing that it must be tough for Josh to see guys, like the rookie QB on the Pats, get an opportunity like the one he has where it will be much tougher for Aaron to really prove himself as a potential NFL QB. Anything can happen though, so like Josh said in the tweet patience will be a good thing!

Man, I can't believe I'm talking this much about football. I'm a hockey girl through and through

First Alex Smith had one year left on his contract.  He is a productive QB, so it seems pretty natural to sign him to an extension and honestly if you look at QB contracts less than 4 years when Andy Dalton and other QBs are signing longer and higher money extensions it is not that long or impressive.

Chase Daniels is experienced and smart and will never be a starter, but can come into the game and keep control while Aaron is probably too young and inexperienced for that at this time.  With Alex Smith's history, it is actually very critical for the Chiefs to have a ready to go back up that will carry them through a game or two without much drop off.  

Alex Smith missed multiple games his rookie season 2005 with injuries, 2007 same thing, again in 2008, 2010 less time missed but still injured, 2012 was injured and lost his job to Colin Kaepernick.  So no, I don't view this as Aaron having to wait a really long time to get a chance, but rather not being put in the hot seat to have to take over for a starting QB who has been injured at least every other year of his career and made it through last year without an injury so might be seen as due.

As for the Patriots, the only time Tom Brady hasn't started is when the games don't mean anything or the season he had his knee injured.  I doubt that his backup will see much playing time this season either.

It was a stupid tweet from an otherwise very media savvy man from a very media savvy family.

Thanks for essentially summing up my post...

Like I stated to you in my other response to your thoughts on my other post, there is nothing wrong with the position Aaron is in. There is also nothing wrong with the team he is on. You can learn in many different ways. Anything can happen to the two other QB's ahead of Aaron. All I'm saying is I understand where Aaron's older brother is coming from, but that doesn't mean I agree with tweeting his thoughts out, but it's not my problem to deal with.

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:The Chiefs starting QB just signed a pretty hefty extension today and he's only 30 years old. Aaron is technically third in line. With the starter getting an extension, yet another QB ahead of Aaron making it two other players ahead of him, well that's tough for him.

For example, the Pats (I'm from Boston) had 3 QBs on their roster. Obviously Tom Brady is their #1 and will be for a few more years, but today they traded their #2 so that their rookie QB they drafted this year will now be the #2, which obviously leads to more opportunity to grow as a player.

I think Josh is just voicing his frustration knowing there are several teams that have situations like the Patriots for example that would probably be better suited for his brother, which makes sense.

Chase Daniels, the number two QB for KC, will never be a starting QB either.  

Aaron was drafted in the fifth round and needs a ton of time to develop.  He has potential, but is still young and needs some work and may in fact still be developing strength in his knee post serious injury last season.  

Alex Smith , the starter, is good, but he isn't great and long term contracts in the NFL mean almost nothing.  Alex Smith has also had a history of injury and actually ended up in KC because he lost his starting job after injury in SF.  

Making Aaron third string allows him to practice with the team and to learn and grow from the coaches, but doesn't put insane pressure on him if Alex Smith gets injured or fails.

So no, Aaron got on a good team with a good coach and a team that is giving him plenty of time to develop with two very smart and decent QBs to learn from.  

By the way, the Patriots second string QB sees almost no playing time at all.  They actually had to showcase the QB they traded this season to show another team he might be worth giving them something and he was also a higher draft pick than Aaron as well.  So yes, it is great to be the number two in New England, but as number three in KC Aaron will probably see the playing field a lot sooner.

The fact is that Aaron went in the fifth round of the draft, that QB who went to the Patriots went in round two.

Aaron should be grateful for making the team and getting to develop, and his family should be smart enough to not post things that are derogatory in anyway to the team giving him a chance.  I would think Josh who has always shown gratitude to the Milwaukee Brewers would know better.

I didn't state Aaron was placed on a bad team. It's as simple as this for me - if you stay in line as a teams #3 QB for a decent amount of time, it will be quite difficult to fully develop and prove yourself as a starting QB in the NFL. Mallet, the QB the Pats just traded, is a great example of this and he was drafted in the 3rd round and had some decent expectations placed on him and it never amounted to anything because up until last year, he was #3. As an actual Pats fan that grew up in Boston, I don't need to be told about what they do or don't do. They also never showcased Mallet because there was nothing to showcase.

All I'm saying is I understand where Josh's frustrations are coming from, especially when you look at an example, such as the Pats. Garoppolo gets to be behind one of the best QB's ever and be #2. If something were to happen to Brady, Garoppolo would be up. If you read another one of my posts, you would see that I didn't think it was smart that Josh tweeted that out.

I actually think that Aaron will get more time playing this season than Garoppolo. Tom Brady isn't all that great about sharing his time and truthfully, they have needed him in the games lately.

Ryan Mallet was over rated out of Arkansas, so not a huge surprise.

Aaron had a knee injury that was questionable if he would even be ready for the draft. The columns I read thought that KC might place him on the IR, which would have meant that he couldn't play for at least six weeks.

I doubt he will be third string next season, but this season still needs time to become a better QB and by the way, while Bill Belichick is overall a defensive genius, Andy Reid is a much better QB oriented coach and Alex Smith is probably a better mentor as a starting QB to a young QBs than Tom Brady, from what I have heard Brady much like Brett Farve before him at GB doesn't have a huge amount of interest in training his replacement.

I really think that Aaron got very lucky to land in KC with Andy Reid.