Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

ThankMeLater wrote:My issue is the fact that Nick and all the viewers are upset at the fact that Andi didn't meet him in private when we all know that could never happen or if it did, they would have to be filmed which would mean the sex convo comes out either way.

richmondrose wrote:

ironcat wrote:What exactly would have provided closure for Nick?  Andi told him that her feelings for Josh were stronger.  He wanted to hear that she loved him and she didn't.  

I don't remember Andi ever telling Nick that her feelings for Josh were stronger. But then again I'm old and my memory isn't that sharp anymore.

I don't know what goes on in Nick's mind, so I can only guess. Perhaps unlike some people, Nick has an old fashion concept that sleeping together means more than a handshake; that it's a serious commitment to another person when you do so. It's possible he didn't want to hear that she loved him but rather to hear why she didn't love him. Initially he was a skeptic and by the end he was enamored with her and blindly believed in a reciprocated deep relationship. From the get go, she had stroked his ego, flirted with him and eventually bedded him. It was quite apparent to me that when cold, stone faced Andi came on stage, he would have to pry the answer out of her. She had her prize in Josh and she wasn't travelling down a road where she would willingly  jeopardize her new relationship by having  to explain her feelings for his rival. Nick
was right by blurting out what he did, otherwise she would never have given him the answers he needed for closure. Hopefully Josh meant what he said about  loving  Andi unconditionally (good luck and God bless him 'cause he's really going to need it) and they can all be happy  and put this show behind them.

You also took heat from Nick, who was in the final two. He accused you of letting things go too far with him.

ANDI: I wasn't going to let him pick out a ring. I neveer said I love you which I think would have been careless and reckless. It wasn't anything that he did. My connection was just so strong with Josh that I couldn't have that same relationship with Nick.

kdubs_ca wrote:

pbmax wrote:

ironcat wrote:

You can believe what you wish, but just because all the fans think something, doesn't make it so.  Andi's story is that she made her decision on the last day, and until then, she was free to do what she pleased with either guy, who knew there were no guarantees.  If Andi is good with that explanation and Josh is good with that explanation, I don't think anyone else's opinion matters to them.

kellkell wrote:

I'm not an Andi fan, but you absolutely nailed it.  She wasn't disrespectful towards Nick during ATFR.  She admitted to him that they had a great connection, and as he should already understand due to the fact that it was a show where she must choose only one, it just so happens she had a greater connection with someone else.  Period.  End of story.  

Now maybe Andi should have said all of this to him much sooner rather than later, but who's to say (due to editing) that she didn't explain this to Nick when she first broke it off with him months ago?  Which could be a reason why she's been avoiding him all of this time, like many in her situation who have moved on from an ex.  There is nothing new under the sun.  Unfortunately, in the real world people sleep with people they don't love.  In the real world, people have even avoided an ex at all costs because they've already had the closure that they needed.  It's time for Nick to move on.  But now via an US Weekly interview, he's open to rekindling a friendship with Josh again?  Wow, maybe he deserves the stalker label after all.

In the real world they have names for people like that. In the real world they talk about people like that so people are talking about her.

Yes she can't choose but one so don't have sex with anyone until you make your decision.

The producers was behind this whole thing starting at the MTA, why CH told Josh lied on the lie detector test, they're really trying to help them make it. So its not Nick stalking but tptb drama antics.

The fact that in 2014 they "have names for people like that" who happen to be women, but the same is not said of the man in your avatar who treated his sexual encounters far more cavalierly is incredibly sad to me.  

timfan wrote:She was not being confrontational until he brought up the sex in fs and him saying she was cold was probably because she saw the video were he was saying bad stuff about her but mostly about josh and she also saw the deleted scene of him saying he was going to marry her and go to aaron football game and introduce there dog murray she probably did not appreciate it

beader wrote:

richmondrose wrote:

ironcat wrote:What exactly would have provided closure for Nick?  Andi told him that her feelings for Josh were stronger.  He wanted to hear that she loved him and she didn't.  

I don't remember Andi ever telling Nick that her feelings for Josh were stronger. But then again I'm old and my memory isn't that sharp anymore.

I don't know what goes on in Nick's mind, so I can only guess. Perhaps unlike some people, Nick has an old fashion concept that sleeping together means more than a handshake; that it's a serious commitment to another person when you do so. It's possible he didn't want to hear that she loved him but rather to hear why she didn't love him. Initially he was a skeptic and by the end he was enamored with her and blindly believed in a reciprocated deep relationship. From the get go, she had stroked his ego, flirted with him and eventually bedded him. It was quite apparent to me that when cold, stone faced Andi came on stage, he would have to pry the answer out of her. She had her prize in Josh and she wasn't travelling down a road where she would willingly  jeopardize her new relationship by having  to explain her feelings for his rival. Nick
was right by blurting out what he did, otherwise she would never have given him the answers he needed for closure. Hopefully Josh meant what he said about  loving  Andi unconditionally (good luck and God bless him 'cause he's really going to need it) and they can all be happy  and put this show behind them.

Nice post, Richmondrose.  I totally agree.  

From the interview:
   

You also took heat from Nick, who was in the final two.  He accused you of letting things go too far with him.
   
   ANDI: I wasn't going to let him pick out a ring.  I neveer said I love you which I think would have been careless and reckless.  It wasn't anything that he did.  My connection was just so strong with Josh that I couldn't have that same relationship with Nick.

I totally amazes me that having sex two days before you get engaged to someone else is not considered careless and reckless...but taking them to a rose ceremony or letting them pick out a ring would be careless and reckless. I guess she didn't want to take the chance that Nick would pick out the ring that she'd already had custom designed and made for Josh to give to her.  So the rose ceremony and the ring are now more important than making love together...sad, IMO, of course.

ironcat wrote:Just for the record, it was 11days, not 2.

I don't know what goes on in Nick's mind, so I can only guess. Perhaps unlike some people, Nick has an old fashion concept that sleeping together means more than a handshake; that it's a serious commitment to another person when you do so.

He made a chioce to have *** with her.  If he was so old fashioned he could have said no.  Period.   Don't blame Andy for Nick's choices.

Andi was angry at JP and basically giving her nothing when she was leaving at F3, and yet she turned around and did the same thing to Nick!

Andy wasnt angry because he didnt tell her why he was getting rid of her in fact he didnt get rid of her she walked out on her own because he didnt want to discuss things like family or what their life would be like, or her life was like he only wanted to discuss superficial things.....so she choose to leave..  




I think it is amazing the double standard for male leads vs female leads.  Guys can have *** with all three of the contesants and still its a boys will be boys attitude the previous famale leads (pre Alli) can take all three guys to the fanasy sweet and nothing is compared to the raking over the coals that Andi is getting. No credit for not taking Chris to the fantasy suite at all. but because she slept with 2 guys she is horrible.  The format of the show is that she should have let Nick propose but she didn't.  Ashley let Ben propose ... and and sex with him and didnt get near this backlash...Sour grapes people she didnt pick Nick, get on with it.

mercieme wrote:

ironcat wrote:Just for the record, it was 11days, not 2.

On Access Hollywood today, Billy Bush said it was 8 days, not sure where he got his fact from though. I think all this will pass on this board and in the public by next week.