Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

Relalou wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregarded his feelings completely, and disregarded what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

Right Beagle! excuses, excuses, excuses. what do they say, they're only good for the person that uses them. Andi can come up with a million of them and it won't change a thing.

IMO biggest mistake she made was in thinking that Nick was worth wasting herself on. Clearly he has proved otherwise IMO.

ironcat wrote:

Beagle wrote:

ironcat wrote:

It was some Josh fans who said Andi was a goner, Andi never said that herself.  And do we know that Nick told Andi specifically that he didn't believe in having sex with a woman who wasn't in love with him?

Most of the posts I read were about how she only had eyes for Josh and no one else. Now, Im suppose to believe that truthfully Andi made her the decision the morning of the FRC. Of course Andi is not going to say anything different now because it would make her look bad in the media that she slept with F2 guy just because she was in the moment, and 2 days later did it with Josh. Nick alluded in the ATFR that he specifically told her what that meant to him at that time. She was giving him signs constantly, he believed her.

You can believe what you wish, but just because all the fans think something, doesn't make it so.  Andi's story is that she made her decision on the last day, and until then, she was free to do what she pleased with either guy, who knew there were no guarantees.  If Andi is good with that explanation and Josh is good with that explanation, I don't think anyone else's opinion matters to them.

ironcat wrote:

lovelySC wrote:

ironcat wrote:Andi NEVER said she knew while she was having sex with Nick that she was already in love with Josh, but decided to do it anyway.  She said she had a revelation at the end of the process that she really was in love with Josh all along but didn't realize it, and that's why she didn't make her decision until the final day.  That's her story (we are all free to believe her or not), and that's why she continued to pursue her relationship with Nick, including sleeping with him on the FDs, and maybe thinking/hoping that she WOULD fall in love with him, but it didn't happen.  No confusion there as far as I see it.

Of course hindsight is 20/20, and if Andi knew how things would have gone down on ATFR, I suspect she would have met with Nick before (where it would have been filmed and shown on the show anyway).  If Nick asked her the same question, does anyone really believe it would have been edited out?  Well, I suppose Andi could have begged, but at the very least, at least she would have been prepared for the bombshell Nick dropped.  So yeah, that would have been a better outcome for her if she'd been able to predict the future.  Oh well.

  On the proposal segment she proclaim her love to Josh after he proposed to her! She knew right away that it's him! Only a s-l -u-t would have sex with another man when you feel in love with someone!

Listen to it again, that's not what she said.


I listen again and again! watch the time 0:50/1:39 "Josh I love you the moment I laid eyes on you, I love you since the moment I spoke to you" ...so that would be the first episode?

lovelySC wrote:

ironcat wrote:

lovelySC wrote:

Listen to it again, that's not what she said.


I listen again and again! watch the time 0:50/1:39 "Josh I love you the moment I laid eyes on you, I love you since the moment I spoke to you" ...so that would be the first episode?

lovelySC wrote:

ironcat wrote:

lovelySC wrote:

Listen to it again, that's not what she said.


I listen again and again! watch the time 0:50/1:39 "Josh I love you the moment I laid eyes on you, I love you since the moment I spoke to you" ...so that would be the first episode?

Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregarded his feelings completely, and disregarded what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

pbmax wrote:

Relalou wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Right Beagle! excuses, excuses, excuses. what do they say, they're only good for the person that uses them. Andi can come up with a million of them and it won't change a thing.

IMO biggest mistake she made was in thinking that Nick was worth wasting herself on.  Clearly he has proved otherwise IMO.

Now Nick know he dodged a bullet, now he can find him a real lady.

Kashathediva wrote:

pbmax wrote:

bleuberry wrote:

She was horny and his date was first

Lol! now Josh has to worry when he's not around and she gets to itching.

If Josh fs date was first she still would have slept with Nick.

Uh yeah, I agree. Nothing wrong with that if you are itchy, just admit you are prone to rashes and carry come benadryl.

kdubs_ca wrote:

Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregarded his feelings completely, and disregarded what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

Funny, I've been reading this entire season that the only true love story was between Nick and Andi. That she orchestrated having more alone time with him than any other contestant in show history and that there was going to be a huge surprise at the finale when she picked him.

Isn't it possible that she explored both relationships fully (in everything that meant to her), was totally true to each man as a separate relationship, and then at the end of the process evaluated what it all meant and made the best choice? If she had picked Nick, I'm sure people would say "I knew it all along" and others would feel she had no right saying what she said to Josh along the way.

Andi's realization about loving Josh from the start (and come on, she's only really starting to fall in love with him after the show as they all do) does not equal her knowing that she loved Josh when she slept with Nick. I think she saw the goings on in the fantasy suite as being part of the process of figuring out who she should pick. Everyone has a right to judge that as they will, but she won't apologize if she thinks she did nothing wrong.

The only way I'll judge her harshly is if we find out that Nick explicitly said to her, "I don't have sex, I make love in a committed relationship where both parties feel the same way. Do not sleep with me if you are undecided and might pick someone else at the end." Now he may have felt that way, and felt her actions implied that.  Given that he's watched the show and is a smart guy, he was really wrapped up in the bubble if he did and that's not Andi's fault. He had to know that he was the first fantasy date and he knew there were still two other guys there.  

We'll never know what actually went down - well we'll probably get Nick's side of the story since he has no problem blabbing about intimate details.  

kdubs_ca wrote:

Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregarded his feelings completely, and disregarded what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

Funny, I've been reading this entire season that the only true love story was between Nick and Andi. That she orchestrated having more alone time with him than any other contestant in show history and that there was going to be a huge surprise at the finale when she picked him.

Isn't it possible that she explored both relationships fully (in everything that meant to her), was totally true to each man as a separate relationship, and then at the end of the process evaluated what it all meant and made the best choice? If she had picked Nick, I'm sure people would say "I knew it all along" and others would feel she had no right saying what she said to Josh along the way.

Andi's realization about loving Josh from the start (and come on, she's only really starting to fall in love with him after the show as they all do) does not equal her knowing that she loved Josh when she slept with Nick. I think she saw the goings on in the fantasy suite as being part of the process of figuring out who she should pick. Everyone has a right to judge that as they will, but she won't apologize if she thinks she did nothing wrong.

The only way I'll judge her harshly is if we find out that Nick explicitly said to her, "I don't have sex, I make love in a committed relationship where both parties feel the same way. Do not sleep with me if you are undecided and might pick someone else at the end." Now he may have felt that way, and felt her actions implied that.  Given that he's watched the show and is a smart guy, he was really wrapped up in the bubble if he did and that's not Andi's fault. He had to know that he was the first fantasy date and he knew there were still two other guys there.  

We'll never know what actually went down - well we'll probably get Nick's side of the story since he has no problem blabbing about intimate details.  

BachfanNY wrote:

Steel2009 wrote:

ITA-Good Stuff Ash and Georgia!!
I had a feeling Nick would pull something like this based on his tweets during the Belgium episode.  He acts like a child having a 3 month tantrum..

Funniest thing I read today is that  he now hopes he and Josh can be friends again.  This guy needs serious help!

From US Magazine:  
"I don't have any resentment or anger towards them. It's a difficult situation and it still makes me sad. I'm still hurt and heartbroken about it, but that doesn't mean I don't wish them all the best," the software salesman told Us. "I do, in a lot of ways, miss that friendship I had with Josh. I don't know if it will ever be the same, but it would be cool if we could all get to that point where it was possible."

Let me help ya out there Nick, uhm, no, its not going to happen.   You've done enough, move on, grow from this and find your happy corner.