Re: Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

by ironcat Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:16 am

Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregard his feelings completely, and disregard what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

It was some Josh fans who said Andi was a goner, Andi never said that herself. And do we know that Nick told Andi specifically that he didn't believe in having sex with a woman who wasn't in love with him?

by pbmax Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:20 am

First, from the very beginning when RS spoiled Josh as the F1, there was nothing but talk of how Andi love Josh. I'm too old to believe all that hogwash Andi speaking, she knew she was picking Josh and I can see that she certainly wasn't choosing Nick. If she was taking the process serious, then she would have refrain from the sex until she made her decision, cause she had sex with Josh too and you only get to choose one.

by mercieme Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:24 am

ironcat wrote:
bleuberry wrote:
Mommyof1 wrote:I didn't really watch Andi's season, but I am curious if she was soooo in love with Josh, why in the world did she sleep with Nick?

She was horny and his date was first

Yep.

I jest, but I do suspect that if Josh's date was first, it wouldn't have happened with Nick.

I think we are missing the fundamental here, it's the law of nature that when a man and a woman that are mildly attracted to each other find themselves in a secluded place, 99% of the time, the deed will happen. That's why to me, Sean's approach (not a popular one) was the best IMO. So if the person does not mentally commit themselves to not doing the deed upfront, the likelihood of the deed happening is high regardless of the order in which the dates are shot IMO.

by pbmax Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:30 am

bleuberry wrote:
Mommyof1 wrote:I didn't really watch Andi's season, but I am curious if she was soooo in love with Josh, why in the world did she sleep with Nick?

She was horny and his date was first

Lol! now Josh has to worry when he's not around and she gets to itching.

If Josh fs date was first she still would have slept with Nick.

by Beagle Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:32 am

ironcat wrote:
Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregard his feelings completely, and disregard what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

It was some Josh fans who said Andi was a goner, Andi never said that herself. And do we know that Nick told Andi specifically that he didn't believe in having sex with a woman who wasn't in love with him?

Most of the posts I read were about how she only had eyes for Josh and no one else. Now, Im suppose to believe that truthfully Andi made her the decision the morning of the FRC. Of course Andi is not going to say anything different now because it would make her look bad in the media that she slept with F2 guy just because she was in the moment, and 2 days later did it with Josh. Nick alluded in the ATFR that he specifically told her what that meant to him at that time. She was giving him signs constantly, he believed her.

by Kashathediva Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:32 am

pbmax wrote:
bleuberry wrote:
Mommyof1 wrote:I didn't really watch Andi's season, but I am curious if she was soooo in love with Josh, why in the world did she sleep with Nick?

She was horny and his date was first

Lol! now Josh has to worry when he's not around and she gets to itching.

If Josh fs date was first she still would have slept with Nick.

Uh yeah, I agree. Nothing wrong with that if you are itchy, just admit you are prone to rashes and carry come benadryl.

by isittrue Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:36 am

Beagle wrote:
ironcat wrote:
Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregard his feelings completely, and disregard what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

It was some Josh fans who said Andi was a goner, Andi never said that herself. And do we know that Nick told Andi specifically that he didn't believe in having sex with a woman who wasn't in love with him?

Most of the posts I read were about how she only had eyes for Josh and no one else. Now, Im suppose to believe that truthfully Andi made her the decision the morning of the FRC. Of course Andi is not going to say anything different now because it would make her look bad in the media that she slept with F2 guy just because she was in the moment, and 2 days later did it with Josh. Nick alluded in the ATFR that he specifically told her what that meant to him at that time. She was giving him signs constantly, he believed her.

I believe that once he told her that he loved her that of course he would take her having sex with him would mean that she had strong feelings for him too and was possibly her F1.

by pbmax Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:43 am

Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregarded his feelings completely, and disregarded what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

Right Beagle! excuses, excuses, excuses. what do they say, they're only good for the person that uses them. Andi can come up with a million of them and it won't change a thing.

by ironcat Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:52 am

Beagle wrote:
ironcat wrote:
Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregard his feelings completely, and disregard what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

It was some Josh fans who said Andi was a goner, Andi never said that herself. And do we know that Nick told Andi specifically that he didn't believe in having sex with a woman who wasn't in love with him?

Most of the posts I read were about how she only had eyes for Josh and no one else. Now, Im suppose to believe that truthfully Andi made her the decision the morning of the FRC. Of course Andi is not going to say anything different now because it would make her look bad in the media that she slept with F2 guy just because she was in the moment, and 2 days later did it with Josh. Nick alluded in the ATFR that he specifically told her what that meant to him at that time. She was giving him signs constantly, he believed her.

You can believe what you wish, but just because all the fans think something, doesn't make it so. Andi's story is that she made her decision on the last day, and until then, she was free to do what she pleased with either guy, who knew there were no guarantees. If Andi is good with that explanation and Josh is good with that explanation, I don't think anyone else's opinion matters to them.

by Lucas15 Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:55 am

jlccaz wrote:He was vengeful, that didn't come from a place of love, it was hurtful, and he wanted to hurt because he hurt, best case

I agree and that's how I saw it also.

Di_ATL wrote:Perfectly stated, she knew at that point she had to be stern with Nick for him to understand, that she has moved on and he needs to as well.

In another post I stated that I believe she knew ahead of time this was going to be difficult because she had read the letter AND was aware of multiple attempts on Nick's part to meet with her that had been denied. She went into "ADA mode" and prepared for a tough "cross examination" and if that made her seem cold and a bit unfeeling I can well understand it. Nick didn't get the message that a refusal to meet was an answer to a question. She had to be anything but wishy-washy or she was in big trouble.

by Relalou Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:55 am

pbmax wrote:
Beagle wrote:I have been reading this entire season how once Josh told Andi he was falling in love with her in Belgium, she was a goner, that's all she needed, game over, everyone can go home.

So if she was head over heels with Josh by then, isn't it dishonest and disrespectful to both Nick, who openly told Andi what sleeping together meant to their relationship, he was in love and to him it wasn't just casual sex to scratch an itch, and to Josh who she was planning to get engage to in a matter of days?

As I see it, Nick gave his heart to this woman, she used him for casual sex, disregarded his feelings completely, and disregarded what her future fiancé might think or how hurt he would be, just because it felt good to go all the way with F2 guy that night.

She made a mistake, fine, at least own up to it.

Right Beagle! excuses, excuses, excuses. what do they say, they're only good for the person that uses them. Andi can come up with a million of them and it won't change a thing.

IMO biggest mistake she made was in thinking that Nick was worth wasting herself on. Clearly he has proved otherwise IMO.

by pbmax Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:03 am

ironcat wrote:
Beagle wrote:
ironcat wrote:

It was some Josh fans who said Andi was a goner, Andi never said that herself. And do we know that Nick told Andi specifically that he didn't believe in having sex with a woman who wasn't in love with him?

Most of the posts I read were about how she only had eyes for Josh and no one else. Now, Im suppose to believe that truthfully Andi made her the decision the morning of the FRC. Of course Andi is not going to say anything different now because it would make her look bad in the media that she slept with F2 guy just because she was in the moment, and 2 days later did it with Josh. Nick alluded in the ATFR that he specifically told her what that meant to him at that time. She was giving him signs constantly, he believed her.

You can believe what you wish, but just because all the fans think something, doesn't make it so. Andi's story is that she made her decision on the last day, and until then, she was free to do what she pleased with either guy, who knew there were no guarantees. If Andi is good with that explanation and Josh is good with that explanation, I don't think anyone else's opinion matters to them.

Then she didn't take the process serious but just wanted to get her freak on. Josh can act and say whatever he eant deep down he is not ok with it, give it some time when the newness wares off.

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