Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

2observe wrote:

Di_ATL wrote:

MiaHawk wrote:


Respect is something that you earn.  I don't think Andi earned that merit badge when she used Nick to scratch her itch in the FS.

IT takes two to tango, so he was willing to scratch that itch for her. He could have said NO and not played along with it stating he would only do so once they were engaged and he knew he was the final one. Nicky played the game too.  

Why would he say no if he thinks that she wants to make love to him because she's in love him too and is her F1???

Exactly

I watched ATFR again paying closer attention to what was said , and of course I still have Andi's back..Nick showed no class..he made a terrible choice running his mouth the way he did. I have way less respect for him now than I did before. I know people love him and that's their right..To each his own. Not me...Congratulations Andi and Josh ..!! Perfect match !!  

Well I do think everything Nick said came from a place of hurt. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. Who am I? I'm just a viewer of this silly show, an outsider looking in. I didn't feel the emotions he felt while on the show. I wasn't there. I don't know what he was thinking last night when he tried to talk to Andi as I am not a cell in his brain. Even with all the editing of this show, that doesn't mean there weren't real emotions and hurt feelings. I've never been on a show like this (thank God) so I don't know what it's like. Remember, the people they choose to show us on screen is not necessarily who they are in real life. At the same time, it doesn't mean we don't see glimpses of a person's personality, like I saw with Andi last night (won't even get into that). I do agree with other posters that some of this was producer driven, but it doesn't mean that he didn't want closure. People talk about the classless move he made by asking that (ahem) question. I don't see it that way.
In the end, Andi found love. Good for her. IMO I still think she could have appeared more understanding, especially since she had gone through the process the season before. It's interesting how some people were applauding her for confronting (talking, whatever) to JPG, but when Nick asks her that question, it's hitting below the belt.
I'm going to say this until I'm blue in the face, but I think if the roles were reversed (meaning if it was a woman trying to confront a bachelor), some people (not all) would be cheering her on. Again, double standard. Let me just say this, men do get hurt too. Men get led on too. Excuse me for having a little compassion for Nick. This is just me.
I'm so glad we can all have our own opinions about what happened and express them freely, because they are just that: opinions. Only the people who went through this process know the facts. That is all.

quietpal wrote:Well I do think everything Nick said came from a place of hurt. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. Who am I? I'm just a viewer of this silly show, an outsider looking in. I didn't feel the emotions he felt while on the show. I wasn't there. I don't know what he was thinking last night when he tried to talk to Andi as I am not a cell in his brain. Even with all the editing of this show, that doesn't mean there weren't real emotions and hurt feelings. I've never been on a show like this (thank God) so I don't know what it's like. Remember, the people they choose to show us on screen is not necessarily who they are in real life. At the same time, it doesn't mean we don't see glimpses of a person's personality, like I saw with Andi last night (won't even get into that). I do agree with other posters that some of this was producer driven, but it doesn't mean that he didn't want closure. People talk about the classless move he made by asking that (ahem) question. I don't see it that way.
In the end, Andi found love. Good for her. IMO I still think she could have appeared more understanding, especially since she had gone through the process the season before. It's interesting how some people were applauding her for confronting (talking, whatever) to JPG, but when Nick asks her that question, it's hitting below the belt.
I'm going to say this until I'm blue in the face, but I think if the roles were reversed (meaning if it was a woman trying to confront a bachelor), some people (not all) would be cheering her on. Again, double standard. Let me just say this, men do get hurt too. Men get led on too. Excuse me for having a little compassion for Nick. This is just me.
I'm so glad we can all have our own opinions about what happened and express them freely, because they are just that:opinions. Only the people who went through this process know the facts. That is all.

Well said! I agree!

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oless4 wrote:

quietpal wrote:Well I do think everything Nick said came from a place of hurt. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. Who am I? I'm just a viewer of this silly show, an outsider looking in. I didn't feel the emotions he felt while on the show. I wasn't there. I don't know what he was thinking last night when he tried to talk to Andi as I am not a cell in his brain. Even with all the editing of this show, that doesn't mean there weren't real emotions and hurt feelings. I've never been on a show like this (thank God) so I don't know what it's like. Remember, the people they choose to show us on screen is not necessarily who they are in real life. At the same time, it doesn't mean we don't see glimpses of a person's personality, like I saw with Andi last night (won't even get into that). I do agree with other posters that some of this was producer driven, but it doesn't mean that he didn't want closure. People talk about the classless move he made by asking that (ahem) question. I don't see it that way.
In the end, Andi found love. Good for her. IMO I still think she could have appeared more understanding, especially since she had gone through the process the season before. It's interesting how some people were applauding her for confronting (talking, whatever) to JPG, but when Nick asks her that question, it's hitting below the belt.
I'm going to say this until I'm blue in the face, but I think if the roles were reversed (meaning if it was a woman trying to confront a bachelor), some people (not all) would be cheering her on. Again, double standard. Let me just say this, men do get hurt too. Men get led on too. Excuse me for having a little compassion for Nick. This is just me.
I'm so glad we can all have our own opinions about what happened and express them freely, because they are just that:opinions. Only the people who went through this process know the facts. That is all.

Well said! I agree!

Nick was hurt - little doubt about that. When we are hurt, or scared, or humiliated, or stressed, we show our character (or lack thereof). Nick showed his and it wasn't good or chivalrous, or classy, or caring for anyone other than himself. He reminded me of a small child lashing out and essentially saying "nah, you hurt me; see what I can do to you". It wasn't a way of getting closure, it was a way of getting back at someone who hurt him. Unfortunately, the impact is not just upon Andi and Josh and their families, but also upon Nick and his character and his family. Opinions differ and this is mine.

Well, some of the impact on Andi's family is Andi's doing, IMO.

That's life. People are human. They make mistakes. Hopefully they will learn from them, grow and move on to a better place.
All parties involved come from good families and have a great support system. They will all do fine.
Best lesson--stay away from the franchise. This does not happen with TAR or Survivor.

Kashathediva wrote:That's life. People are human. They make mistakes. Hopefully they will learn from them, grow and move on to a better place.
All parties involved come from good families and have a great support system. They will all do fine.
Best lesson--stay away from the franchise. This does not happen with TAR or Survivor.

I agree. I believe Survivor actually may have had more successful marriages than this franchise.

DKWillis wrote:

bleuberry wrote:Can we talk about the proposal? I wanted to love it, but did Josh rehearse too much and speak too fast? It felt rushed and didn't have a nice flow to it. I think he absolutely meant every word though. Just felt like something was missing.

To me it seemed he was talking too fast and in circles just rambling on lve seen better proposals JMO

Just catching up; Josh is a fast talker. I thought the proposal was very well rehearsed and that it may have been a retake. Ashley confirmed that her and JP's proposal was shot more than once.

 :cutesmile!: 

I just cant take them seriously, Andi and Josh. The inerviews and photoshoot, i just can't.

see2love wrote:I just cant take them seriously, Andi and Josh. The inerviews and photoshoot, i just can't.  

Do we have photo's oh goodie, must go look