Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

Cecilia wrote:

ironcat wrote:Reid didn't keep trying to pursue Jillian after she got engaged.  He also never confirmed they had sex, only alluded to it, but it could have been taken as a joke.  I don't see the 2 situations as completely identical, although Jillian handled it better.

Ummm.....Reid came back after being eliminated and proposed! I'd call that pursuing!

  

Mustang19 wrote:I wasn't a "fan" of either Josh or Nick this season, meaning I was impartial to them. Things I liked and things I didn't like. It is Andi I really disliked. After reading Nick's explanation, that's exactly my impression of how he felt when I watched last night. When it came out of his mouth, I thought he probably immediately regretted it and never meant to say what he did. Andi stepped on stage in her deep freeze mode, expressionless, emotionless, and gave Nick nothing. She could have responded a whole lot better and maybe gotten a better reaction. She cannnot take ownership of any of her actions.

She sure can't, always with excuses. I'm not a Nick fan but I know where he's coming from and understood what he was saying. Let me see if I can break it down. I understand the lead has to lead ppl on, but when it comes to the sex, the buck stops there for nice girls...which I took you to be. So by sleeping with me, that meant it was me that you wanted a future with. So that's why it surprise me. You sleep with ppl you don't love. (me breaking it down). I wonder what Hy thinks about his little girl. Now I kmow why she was so mad with JuanP hahaha he just wanted to talk. She put she and JP business out, Nick put theres. Karma

sde1041 wrote:

ironcat wrote:I don't believe that Andi knew AT THE TIME she slept with Nick that she WAS in love with Josh.  IMO her statement to Josh at FRC clearly indicated she only became sure what she was feeling for him all along was love later;  hopefully sometime in the 11days after she had already done the deed with Nick.  I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on this one, because she still looked and acted very into both guys at that point and I don't think she's THAT good an actress.

She now claims it was Josh all along. Since day 1.
Certainly to make the Murrays believe it's a great love story...
So which one is it ?
Josh all along... But slept with Nick.
Or josh and nick until last minute of FRC day ? That would explain why she slept with both, but wouldn't sell the same fairy tale story...
She's lying somewhere ...

Andi admitted this morning that she described for Josh specifically what kind of ring she wanted during the FS date, so she already knew.

Personally ,I was appalled to think Nick would stoop so low as to mention the most private of what happened between he and Andi in front of the world. That's too much information and actually nobodies business. I hate that stuff..made me disrespect him so much ..All it proved to me was how bad he needed to feed his ego..It also kind of confirms my suspicions about him. I remember telling my sister after he slipped over to Andi's hotel suite that he reminded me of a stalker, and if she sent him packing..he would not go quietly without causing trouble !! I hope he moves on real soon ...like right now...

I take major exception to people saying Nick is stalkerish.

If trying to contact someone for the first time off screen to get some closure translates to "stalker" or "needing psychological help" then I would have been considered a psycho too. Honestly, it's not like he was sleeping outside her house for weeks. He wanted to have a conversation off screen once he had time to collect his thoughts. Why couldn't she have given him that? Hell, I had a few lunches with my ex-BF so he could get the closure he needed when we broke up. Didn't mean I wanted him back, but I understood it was what he needed. Yes, she was with Josh, but wouldn't Josh have wanted the same thing if the tables were reversed? Just a chance to say your thoughts so you can move on?

Can someone explain what is so wrong with him trying to talk to her? I don't understand why what he did gave her reason to be pissed off. Sorry, I don't.

Her FS date with Josh was after she had already slept with Nick. Maybe she really WAS disappointed in his"pastry", is it? :-)

Reid didn't pursue Jillian after knowing she was ENGAGED. Unlike Nick.

Judiful wrote:Personally ,I was appalled to think Nick would stoop so low as to  mention the most private of what happened between he and Andi in front of the world. That's too much information and actually nobodies  business. I hate that stuff..made me disrespect him so much ..All it proved to me was how bad he needed to feed his ego..It also kind of confirms my suspicions about him. I remember telling my sister after he slipped over to Andi's hotel suite that he reminded me of a stalker, and if she sent him packing..he would not go quietly without causing trouble !! I hope he moves on real soon ...like right now...

Every season one of the contestants "sneaks" out to the leads room, in Emily's season it was Arie, this season it happened to be Nick. They, the contestants, can't do anything without TPTB knowing about it, TPTB sanction the "sneaking" about, it's part of the show.

kellkell wrote:I can only imagine the couple's disgust at the producer use of Nick's sorrow (if bona fide, which I actually reject -- I think he was more embarrassed and vengeful than heartbroken) as a means to manufacture ATFR drama. I can only imagine what goes through one's head as the Plan sinks in, and one has to play it out on Live Television. I forgive all of them their responses. Josh and Andi rebuffed it together in Mexico (whatever that footage was, it was obviously Too Stupid to even clear the very low bar of making it to the air). Then they fly him out for MTA for Different Stupid Footage. Then the "LETTER"... which they lamely post to the friggin' FACEBOOK PAGE, which was also Stupid (and again, 100% tracks his ITMs and his STORY BOARD, and read as largely written for him not by him).

I've heard that Nick tried to contact Andi in Mexico but I've never actually seen it said the he WENT to Mexico. Is it confirmed that he actually went or just that he tried to contact Andi while she was there. The two are very different things. I can't imagine that Nick would expect any sort of positive response from Andi while she was on a SH visit.

eirekay wrote:

sde1041 wrote:

ironcat wrote:I don't believe that Andi knew AT THE TIME she slept with Nick that she WAS in love with Josh.  IMO her statement to Josh at FRC clearly indicated she only became sure what she was feeling for him all along was love later;  hopefully sometime in the 11days after she had already done the deed with Nick.  I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on this one, because she still looked and acted very into both guys at that point and I don't think she's THAT good an actress.

She now claims it was Josh all along. Since day 1.
Certainly to make the Murrays believe it's a great love story...
So which one is it ?
Josh all along... But slept with Nick.
Or josh and nick until last minute of FRC day ? That would explain why she slept with both, but wouldn't sell the same fairy tale story...
She's lying somewhere ...

Andi admitted this morning that she described for Josh specifically what kind of ring she wanted during the FS date, so she already knew.

How special (insert sarcasm). Nice of her to kiss Nick during the MTA and LCD while she visualized her engagement ring. She would have scored points with me had she let him go earlier in the date instead of letting him ramble on her LCD and encouraging him with questions of what life in Chicago would be like (including telling him that he better not be waking her up at 6 in the morning).

The producers may not have allowed Andi to meet with Nick in order to save the drama for live TV. And of course they would never admit it.

The producers may not have allowed Andi to meet with Nick in order to save the drama for live TV. And of course they would never admit it.

ironcat wrote:Her FS date with Josh was after she had already slept with Nick.  Maybe she really WAS disappointed in his"pastry", is it? :-)

Reid didn't pursue Jillian after knowing she was ENGAGED.  Unlike Nick.

oh my, iron...