Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

SouthernMomOf4 wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

Scarletta wrote:Sure, this wasn't the first or only time a F2 wanted to contact the lead after the show.  I may not agree with those actions, but they're hardly rare.  If the lead wants contact with them, that's their call.  If not, that's their call too.  F2 needs to accept that.
The lead doesn't owe to them to baby their whims.  In fact, in a way it's kinder in order not to lead the F2 on & let them believe there's any chance.

However, this is the first time a F2 not only wouldn't accept no for an answer, but countered it by trying to humiliate the lead & F1 on ATFR by outing what went on in the FS.

No respect for the guy.  No pity.  No sympathy.

Well said. I can somewhat understand a F2 contestant reaching out to the lead once after filming. According to Chris' blog that was just released, Nick knew Andi was in Mexico with Josh. Andi turned down the opportunity to see him. At this point, he should have let it go. She broke up with him and turned him down and he knew she chose someone else. Chris Harrison through his blog also stated that he told Nick that Andi and Josh were giving a serious go at their relationship. He didn't let it go and he tried to see her again. She said no for the second time. He then had Chris Harrison give her his letter.

At some point, Nick should have accepted how the show ended. He knew that at the end of the season he was going to have the opportunity to talk to her. In his letter, a lot of it was sweet, but I hated seeing the parts where he is essentially second guessing her choice and Josh and basically hoping for her to give him a chance. I have said this numerous times and once already today. While Andi and Nick had a great relationship, Andi and Josh had a great relationship too. I think both relationships were easily visible to viewers at home. Nick should have seen that Andi did have a connection with Josh, and hey, maybe theirs was stronger.

It's not Andi's fault that Nick couldn't utter full sentences or questions last night. Of course she's going to sit there in a simple, stern matter. Did other viewers or Nick expect her to be all smiles and hug him when he was upset? How would that be fair to Nick or Josh? I thought she handled it fine, especially when he openly stated they had sex. Nick says it just slipped out, but in my opinion, I don't think so. I would bet there's a part of him that likes knowing this probably caused some tension with Josh and Andi. As my female co-worker essentially stated today, Andi made the decision to have sex with him, but Nick made the decision to basically shame her in front of millions of viewers and I couldn't agree more. I can understand people standing up for Nick, but I cannot understand other women stating that what Nick said came from a place of hurt. It makes my skin crawl.

Thank you for expressing what I am feeling   

Erin_Elizabeth wrote:Ok, carry on, sorry, sorry I'll keep my thoughts in the couples thread.

eirekay wrote:

mercieme wrote:

eirekay wrote:^^^ And remember this line form CH's blog: When I told Andi that Nick was in the building at the Men Tell All special she wasn’t too pleased. She wasn’t ready to face him and definitely didn’t want to be surprised by a visit.

TPTB knew Nick was coming - why wouldn't they prepare Andi?  It shouldn't have been a surprise.

To the bolded, more like they staged his coming to LA that weekend. The whole thing was a farce. People can blame Nick all they want and despite Nick taking ownership for everything he said last night, I will continue to stand by the fact that TPTB had their hand in all of this. For pete's sakes, they went all the way to Milwaukee to film him and his family. If they wanted that AFTR to be normal, they would have devoted only 5 mins to Nick's segment like they have done historically. They created the farce, pushed a broken man too far and a little bit of empathy from Andi would have salvaged the day IMO. Even Jason Meisnick said the producers knew what was going to happen last night Chris Harrison himself tweeted before the show that the AFTR will be dramatic so all parties were guilty for what happened last night IMO.

Whether the anger is being expressed at Andi for being cold or Nick for mentioning the unmentionable, the truth is this: TPTB have psychologists on staff who consult. They know which buttons to push and how to manipulate.  The AFTR was designed to have this outcome.  If you pour enough lighter fluid on tinder, sooner or later a spark is going to set it off.

I can wish that Andi was more compassionate or that Nick was more discrete but TPTB set the table for the banquet that was served and we all saddled up to the table.

ThankMeLater wrote:

Erin_Elizabeth wrote:Ok, carry on, sorry, sorry I'll keep my thoughts in the couples thread.

no don't apologize you can share your opinion here freely idk why others are upset if we share our opinions on Nick   

Di_ATL wrote:

MiaHawk wrote:

Scarletta wrote:Andi didn't owe it to him to baby him or feed his ego.  He owed it to her to leave her alone.  Her decision had been made.  He owed it to her to respect that.

Respect is something that you earn.  I don't think Andi earned that merit badge when she used Nick to scratch her itch in the FS.

IT takes two to tango, so he was willing to scratch that itch for her. He could have said NO and not played along with it stating he would only do so once they were engaged and he knew he was the final one. Nicky played the game too.  

SouthernMomOf4 wrote:

jlccaz wrote:

sde1041 wrote:

She now claims it was Josh all along. Since day 1.
Certainly to make the Murrays believe it's a great love story...
So which one is it ?
Josh all along... But slept with Nick.
Or josh and nick until last minute of FRC day ? That would explain why she slept with both, but wouldn't sell the same fairy tale story...
She's lying somewhere ...

This is -- though stated as fact around here and on Twitter -- actually a garbling and distortion of what's she said.  She is saying all day, over and over, and on the show, and last night as well that her feelings for Nick were strong and real as portrayed on the show, and it wasn't until the last day she decided on Josh.  Not sure where you're getting your quotes.

Someone took Andi's comment and distorted it and now everyone is running with it.  She said something to effect of she finally knew that the feeling she had about Josh from the beginning was love.  In other words, she felt something for Josh from day 1 but only at the end did she finally know it really was love.