Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

luvlady345 wrote:But the thing is when she went to his suite she was giving him closure, and at that point what more did he want?  I just don't understand what more she could have done?  Nick knew at the time of their break up that Josh was the one she had chosen and the reasons why she chose him, so what more of a closure did he want?  

Nick knew by AFTR that Andi and Josh were engaged.  When he asked it if was Josh in their last conversation, we were shown her not answering.  Who knows when Nick found out that Josh was the one or that she was engaged?  It may have been when she was in Mexico and he talked to CH.

After filming Nick knew. Chris Harrison said as much in his blog. Not to forget to add, I would bet he read RS, especially considering RS released that plane video.  

bleuberry wrote:Can we talk about the proposal? I wanted to love it, but did Josh rehearse too much and speak too fast? It felt rushed and didn't have a nice flow to it. I think he absolutely meant every word though. Just felt like something was missing.

sde1041 wrote:

ironcat wrote:I don't believe that Andi knew AT THE TIME she slept with Nick that she WAS in love with Josh.  IMO her statement to Josh at FRC clearly indicated she only became sure what she was feeling for him all along was love later;  hopefully sometime in the 11days after she had already done the deed with Nick.  I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on this one, because she still looked and acted very into both guys at that point and I don't think she's THAT good an actress.

She now claims it was Josh all along. Since day 1.
Certainly to make the Murrays believe it's a great love story...
So which one is it ?
Josh all along... But slept with Nick.
Or josh and nick until last minute of FRC day ? That would explain why she slept with both, but wouldn't sell the same fairy tale story...
She's lying somewhere ...

Ash2214 wrote:

Scarletta wrote:Sure, this wasn't the first or only time a F2 wanted to contact the lead after the show.  I may not agree with those actions, but they're hardly rare.  If the lead wants contact with them, that's their call.  If not, that's their call too.  F2 needs to accept that.
The lead doesn't owe to them to baby their whims.  In fact, in a way it's kinder in order not to lead the F2 on & let them believe there's any chance.

However, this is the first time a F2 not only wouldn't accept no for an answer, but countered it by trying to humiliate the lead & F1 on ATFR by outing what went on in the FS.

No respect for the guy.  No pity.  No sympathy.

Well said. I can somewhat understand a F2 contestant reaching out to the lead once after filming. According to Chris' blog that was just released, Nick knew Andi was in Mexico with Josh. Andi turned down the opportunity to see him. At this point, he should have let it go. She broke up with him and turned him down and he knew she chose someone else. Chris Harrison through his blog also stated that he told Nick that Andi and Josh were giving a serious go at their relationship. He didn't let it go and he tried to see her again. She said no for the second time. He then had Chris Harrison give her his letter.

At some point, Nick should have accepted how the show ended. He knew that at the end of the season he was going to have the opportunity to talk to her. In his letter, a lot of it was sweet, but I hated seeing the parts where he is essentially second guessing her choice and Josh and basically hoping for her to give him a chance. I have said this numerous times and once already today. While Andi and Nick had a great relationship, Andi and Josh had a great relationship too. I think both relationships were easily visible to viewers at home. Nick should have seen that Andi did have a connection with Josh, and hey, maybe theirs was stronger.

It's not Andi's fault that Nick couldn't utter full sentences or questions last night. Of course she's going to sit there in a simple, stern matter. Did other viewers or Nick expect her to be all smiles and hug him when he was upset? How would that be fair to Nick or Josh? I thought she handled it fine, especially when he openly stated they had sex. Nick says it just slipped out, but in my opinion, I don't think so. I would bet there's a part of him that likes knowing this probably caused some tension with Josh and Andi. As my female co-worker essentially stated today, Andi made the decision to have sex with him, but Nick made the decision to basically shame her in front of millions of viewers and I couldn't agree more. I can understand people standing up for Nick, but I cannot understand other women stating that what Nick said came from a place of hurt. It makes my skin crawl.

jlccaz wrote:

sde1041 wrote:

ironcat wrote:I don't believe that Andi knew AT THE TIME she slept with Nick that she WAS in love with Josh.  IMO her statement to Josh at FRC clearly indicated she only became sure what she was feeling for him all along was love later;  hopefully sometime in the 11days after she had already done the deed with Nick.  I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on this one, because she still looked and acted very into both guys at that point and I don't think she's THAT good an actress.

She now claims it was Josh all along. Since day 1.
Certainly to make the Murrays believe it's a great love story...
So which one is it ?
Josh all along... But slept with Nick.
Or josh and nick until last minute of FRC day ? That would explain why she slept with both, but wouldn't sell the same fairy tale story...
She's lying somewhere ...

This is -- though stated as fact around here and on Twitter -- actually a garbling and distortion of what's she said.  She is saying all day, over and over, and on the show, and last night as well that her feelings for Nick were strong and real as portrayed on the show, and it wasn't until the last day she decided on Josh.  Not sure where you're getting your quotes.

jlccaz wrote:

sde1041 wrote:

ironcat wrote:I don't believe that Andi knew AT THE TIME she slept with Nick that she WAS in love with Josh.  IMO her statement to Josh at FRC clearly indicated she only became sure what she was feeling for him all along was love later;  hopefully sometime in the 11days after she had already done the deed with Nick.  I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on this one, because she still looked and acted very into both guys at that point and I don't think she's THAT good an actress.

She now claims it was Josh all along. Since day 1.
Certainly to make the Murrays believe it's a great love story...
So which one is it ?
Josh all along... But slept with Nick.
Or josh and nick until last minute of FRC day ? That would explain why she slept with both, but wouldn't sell the same fairy tale story...
She's lying somewhere ...

This is -- though stated as fact around here and on Twitter -- actually a garbling and distortion of what's she said.  She is saying all day, over and over, and on the show, and last night as well that her feelings for Nick were strong and real as portrayed on the show, and it wasn't until the last day she decided on Josh.  Not sure where you're getting your quotes.

jlccaz wrote:

sde1041 wrote:

ironcat wrote:I don't believe that Andi knew AT THE TIME she slept with Nick that she WAS in love with Josh.  IMO her statement to Josh at FRC clearly indicated she only became sure what she was feeling for him all along was love later;  hopefully sometime in the 11days after she had already done the deed with Nick.  I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on this one, because she still looked and acted very into both guys at that point and I don't think she's THAT good an actress.

She now claims it was Josh all along. Since day 1.
Certainly to make the Murrays believe it's a great love story...
So which one is it ?
Josh all along... But slept with Nick.
Or josh and nick until last minute of FRC day ? That would explain why she slept with both, but wouldn't sell the same fairy tale story...
She's lying somewhere ...

This is -- though stated as fact around here and on Twitter -- actually a garbling and distortion of what's she said.  She is saying all day, over and over, and on the show, and last night as well that her feelings for Nick were strong and real as portrayed on the show, and it wasn't until the last day she decided on Josh.  Not sure where you're getting your quotes.

SouthernMomOf4 wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

Scarletta wrote:Sure, this wasn't the first or only time a F2 wanted to contact the lead after the show.  I may not agree with those actions, but they're hardly rare.  If the lead wants contact with them, that's their call.  If not, that's their call too.  F2 needs to accept that.
The lead doesn't owe to them to baby their whims.  In fact, in a way it's kinder in order not to lead the F2 on & let them believe there's any chance.

However, this is the first time a F2 not only wouldn't accept no for an answer, but countered it by trying to humiliate the lead & F1 on ATFR by outing what went on in the FS.

No respect for the guy.  No pity.  No sympathy.

Well said. I can somewhat understand a F2 contestant reaching out to the lead once after filming. According to Chris' blog that was just released, Nick knew Andi was in Mexico with Josh. Andi turned down the opportunity to see him. At this point, he should have let it go. She broke up with him and turned him down and he knew she chose someone else. Chris Harrison through his blog also stated that he told Nick that Andi and Josh were giving a serious go at their relationship. He didn't let it go and he tried to see her again. She said no for the second time. He then had Chris Harrison give her his letter.

At some point, Nick should have accepted how the show ended. He knew that at the end of the season he was going to have the opportunity to talk to her. In his letter, a lot of it was sweet, but I hated seeing the parts where he is essentially second guessing her choice and Josh and basically hoping for her to give him a chance. I have said this numerous times and once already today. While Andi and Nick had a great relationship, Andi and Josh had a great relationship too. I think both relationships were easily visible to viewers at home. Nick should have seen that Andi did have a connection with Josh, and hey, maybe theirs was stronger.

It's not Andi's fault that Nick couldn't utter full sentences or questions last night. Of course she's going to sit there in a simple, stern matter. Did other viewers or Nick expect her to be all smiles and hug him when he was upset? How would that be fair to Nick or Josh? I thought she handled it fine, especially when he openly stated they had sex. Nick says it just slipped out, but in my opinion, I don't think so. I would bet there's a part of him that likes knowing this probably caused some tension with Josh and Andi. As my female co-worker essentially stated today, Andi made the decision to have sex with him, but Nick made the decision to basically shame her in front of millions of viewers and I couldn't agree more. I can understand people standing up for Nick, but I cannot understand other women stating that what Nick said came from a place of hurt. It makes my skin crawl.

Thank you for expressing what I am feeling   

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

luvlady345 wrote:But the thing is when she went to his suite she was giving him closure, and at that point what more did he want?  I just don't understand what more she could have done?  Nick knew at the time of their break up that Josh was the one she had chosen and the reasons why she chose him, so what more of a closure did he want?  

Nick knew by AFTR that Andi and Josh were engaged.  When he asked it if was Josh in their last conversation, we were shown her not answering.  Who knows when Nick found out that Josh was the one or that she was engaged?  It may have been when she was in Mexico and he talked to CH.

After filming Nick knew. Chris Harrison said as much in his blog. Not to forget to add, I would bet he read RS, especially considering RS released that plane video.