Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

by Guest Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:34 pm

Cecilia wrote:
ironcat wrote:I have to agree that if making love was something so sacred to Nick, and understanding the format of the show, he should have just refused Andi's offer. Wonder why he didn't.:-)

Because he thought he was F1!!!!!!!!!!!

How could he think that when he was still having serious doubts up until the last day? He clearly stated in his PI that he was not going to propose until he knew how she felt and that Josh was out of the picture.

by Guest Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:40 pm

Alanna wrote:
ironcat wrote:I have to agree that if making love was something so sacred to Nick, and understanding the format of the show, he should have just refused Andi's offer. Wonder why he didn't.:-)
Right. Sean refused the feminine wiles of Lindsay, Cat, and that insane one (Ashlee?). Poor Nick, totally not at fault here or Andi is just that good.

Sean and Nick do not share the same beliefs regarding premarital sex. Nick does not say it's sacred. He was asking her why she took it so far and sex was the most poignant example he could give of leading him on.

by Guest Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:40 pm

Lucas15 wrote:
Alanna wrote:Sean refused the feminine wiles of Lindsay, Cat, and that insane one (Ashlee?).

Sean's (at the time) controversial decision to wait until he married is looking better and better to me.

Sex or no sex I'm sure Sean can appreciate whatever happened in the FS should stay private. I'm sure Sean would not be to happy if Lindsay or Ashlee talked about 'their version" of how things went down. Both ladies could have said that although no sex, Sean gave them signals that they were going to be the F1, I'm a little disappointed in Sean for even entertaining this w. Nick.

by ironcat Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:41 pm

A hypothetical. Had Andi actually picked Nick, how do you think he would feel if he then found out she had also had sex with an "in love" Josh? Would he have been upset with her and sympathetic to Josh?

I have no doubt that Nick has had casual sex before, at 33 and never married it would be surprising if he hadn't. So I assume his attitude about sex is something that has come to him more recently. That's great but he must realize that many young singles don't feel that way, and knowing that Andi was possibly sharing a FS with two other guys, he was risking heartbreak, no matter what the "signs" told him.

by Guest Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:43 pm

Steel2009 wrote:
Cecilia wrote:
ironcat wrote:I have to agree that if making love was something so sacred to Nick, and understanding the format of the show, he should have just refused Andi's offer. Wonder why he didn't.:-)

Because he thought he was F1!!!!!!!!!!!

How could he think that he was still having serious doubts up until the last day? He clearly stated in his PI that he was not going to propose until he knew how she felt and that Josh was out of the picture.

I agree! How could he believe he was F1, when he a week later wanted signs from Andi, otherwise he wouldn't propose. In hindsight he writes in the blogpost " Well, once we had sex, my feelings of love would be solidified in that scenario." But two months ago, in DR, he needed reassurance a week after him "making love and having his feelings of love solidified". I think he has rewritten the storyline in his head to go along with his feelings of heartbreak. JMHO

by MVMom39forever Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:44 pm

Steel2009 wrote:
Lucas15 wrote:
Alanna wrote:Sean refused the feminine wiles of Lindsay, Cat, and that insane one (Ashlee?).

Sean's (at the time) controversial decision to wait until he married is looking better and better to me.

Sex or no sex I'm sure Sean can appreciate whatever happened in the FS should stay private. I'm sure Sean would not be to happy if Lindsay or Ashlee talked about 'their version" of how things went down. Both ladies could have said that although no sex, Sean gave them signals that they were going to be the F1, I'm a little disappointed in Sean for even entertaining this w. Nick.

Well, Sean faced Ashlee on MTA and she claimed that he led her on in Fantasy Suite. Sean was a gentleman and said that he was sorry if she thought that way, but did not agree with her.

Sean's religious beliefs were certainly mocked by everyone yet he stayed true to himself. I see Nick doing the same and applaud Sean for giving him a platform.

by Kashathediva Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:46 pm

You can be F1 and not propose. In fact it happened the season prior to this one with JPG. I always took him needing reassurance to propose and that only.

by ironcat Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:49 pm

I assume AshLee didn't try to get in touch with Sean for 2months after hoping he'd pull a Mesnick though.

by Cecilia Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:53 pm

Steel2009 wrote:
Lucas15 wrote:
Alanna wrote:Sean refused the feminine wiles of Lindsay, Cat, and that insane one (Ashlee?).

Sean's (at the time) controversial decision to wait until he married is looking better and better to me.

Sex or no sex I'm sure Sean can appreciate whatever happened in the FS should stay private. I'm sure Sean would not be to happy if Lindsay or Ashlee talked about 'their version" of how things went down. Both ladies could have said that although no sex, Sean gave them signals that they were going to be the F1, I'm a little disappointed in Sean for even entertaining this w. Nick.

If Sean thought there was no point in hearing Nick's point of view he wouldn't have put it on his blog.

by bleuberry Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:54 pm

Ditto-ing everything ironcat has said, bang on.

by vivi2 Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:55 pm

Glow worm wrote:
Steel2009 wrote:
Cecilia wrote:

Because he thought he was F1!!!!!!!!!!!

How could he think that he was still having serious doubts up until the last day? He clearly stated in his PI that he was not going to propose until he knew how she felt and that Josh was out of the picture.

I agree! How could he believe he was F1, when he a week later wanted signs from Andi, otherwise he wouldn't propose. In hindsight he writes in the blogpost " Well, once we had sex, my feelings of love would be solidified in that scenario." But two months ago, in DR, he needed reassurance a week after him "making love and having his feelings of love solidified". I think he has rewritten the storyline in his head to go along with his feelings of heartbreak. JMHO

I agree --bolded part

by **Sprite** Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:07 pm

vivi2 wrote:
Glow worm wrote:
Steel2009 wrote:

How could he think that he was still having serious doubts up until the last day? He clearly stated in his PI that he was not going to propose until he knew how she felt and that Josh was out of the picture.

I agree! How could he believe he was F1, when he a week later wanted signs from Andi, otherwise he wouldn't propose. In hindsight he writes in the blogpost " Well, once we had sex, my feelings of love would be solidified in that scenario." But two months ago, in DR, he needed reassurance a week after him "making love and having his feelings of love solidified". I think he has rewritten the storyline in his head to go along with his feelings of heartbreak. JMHO

I agree --bolded part

I think many are forgetting that some of those VO's were done post show...at the producers insistence to further the plot line of the show. I remember watching that last episode and thinking he looks really happy and hopeful in some of these and in others it looks like he is having teeth pulled. Some where done in the moment when he was in the bubble and looking forward to his happy ending and others, post show when he knew the results and couldn't muster up the same happy enthusiasm. I'm sure some of our sleuthers could figure out which was which based on tan lines etc.

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