Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[luvlady345]

I enjoyed reading it, Karmagirl.
I agree with most of it, some I don't.
I have been fairly consistent this season--I didn't like MeandI from the start of the season and I don't like her now.
As far as twitter, IG or any of that social media stuff--really who cares? It's almost like 2 teams discussing who's dad is bigger than the other's.

Well I guess it wouldn't have been brought up about the SM stuff, if it would not have been said about how much popular Nick is than the couple, when one can only judge popularity or the lack of popularity by SM.. I guess, even though popularity is in the eye of the beholder....

[Kashathediva]

Honestly, I don't care who is more popular than whom.
Like I've been saying forever and a day---(let's all chime in now!)--these people don't effect my life--they don't pay my bills.   
The season is over for me and I have moved on--let them all be happy and healthy.  :cutesmile!: 

[isittrue]

It tells me a lot about this couple when magazines and media really could care less about them. I think the majority of people just do not care about them. I could careless how many people follow them on twitter or IG.  

**Edited**

So, that tells me that Nick draws people in and keeps people talking. People may love him or hate him, but they sure like to talk about him. He is the most interesting contestant I've seen in a long time. As for my personal opinion, I wish Andi well, but I don't care for Andi's personality/behavior after watching her deal with Eric on the show, maybe he had a point calling her out for her fake behavior, she just seemed to go nuts after being called out. I also don't like the coldness (aka cruelty) toward Nick after playing with his feelings, where was the empathy for someone she really hurt? What I saw from Andi was a girl who was cold as ice. I don't understand that. IMO, Nick had every right to ask about why she made love to him if she wasn't in love with him and knew she was going to pick Josh. Before that comment by Nick, it seems that Andi wanted Nick to be perceived as a creeper - a hanger-onner, someone who just wouldn't let go. That is damaging to his reputation. Well, now we know WHY he wouldn't let go, she told him she loved him in the most intimate way possible, through her body and making love to him. So, I have no problem with him asking, it tells the TRUTH of what happened and now people know why he was so hurt. It restores his reputation a bit, and puts the blame of the leading on in the lap of Andi, where it belongs. I'm a fan of the TRUTH. I too would want to know why she would take it that far when she apparently "loved Josh the first time she laid eyes on him" - why play Nick for a fool? It was not necessary.

I hope he is the Bachelor, I find him smart and funny and articulate when not broken and devastated.  Some of the funniest parts of the show were because of his quick wit.  He is attractive and I think having a guy who has a heart and would really love who he chose, would be refreshing.  Let's face it, The Biggest Loser has created more lasting couples than The Bachelor/ette.  So, it would be nice to have a Bachelor who really wants to settle down and will take this seriously.  Arie - um, watching his antics after his season, makes me think he would not take it seriously.  

On the other hand, I think that Nick has taken enough heat from some really mean people - I'd like to see him go live his life without being judged every time he moves, so in that way, it would be nice if someone else were The Bachelor.  

Disclaimer:  This is all IMO.  Nothing more but my humble opinion.

   Karmagirl!  Great post!  It has no  been easy to be a Nick fan these days, I had vowed to stay in the fan forum but your post was spot-on!   Agree with most of what you wrote except please no Bachelor role for Nick - I can only begin to imagine the amount of flak the guy would receive **edited** elsewhere.        At any rate, last I heard, the job is Chris'.  So like Kasha so wisely said, let all of them move on with their lives and be happy.

[Ash2214]

Re giving up his privacy rights.

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. Perhaps that would work in a court of law, but we're talking about a conversation that no one would even think they are being recorded.  I don't think Nick, or anyone else, when in a situation of hurt, or distress, is going to hesitate speaking to family or someone he can confide in, to look up the rullings on the privacy act, before he dials that number.

Except when one has signed an agreement to do much more than HESITATE, but to shut the he@@ up for the next two months.

I will never muster an ounce of sympathy for his loud, boorish take-down of his experience on the show in the first five minutes he had his phone back in an airport / on a plane.

It is shocking arrogance and disrespect to the show.

Really, he is not a  15 year old with a broken heart who chooses to talk to his mom in a public place on the flight home from summer camp... he is a 33 year old sophisticated business man who entered into a contract to appear on a television show, while dating.  Sales rep's are bound by confidentiality clauses on sensitive internal business information, sales leads, etc.  He was flagrantly and intentionally breaching a very serious confidentiality clause (with real $$$ business stakes for the production company and the network) in that moment, and he absolutely knew it and did it on purpose, and he simply ... GOT ... CAUGHT.  I don't have a shred of sympathy for his privacy "rights" ... and he had none anyway.  

Nick was thinking of Nick.  Period.  Nick got what he deserved.  He should be apologizing to the network and NZK ... as I am sure he groveled and did more than once.  Note he is not complaining of being recorded in a public place.

So, with respect and affection to many board pals, I have strong judgmental views about his recklessness in that moment.  

I have handled dozens of trade secret violation and non-compete cases over the years, all triggered by salesman who act just like Nick did here.  He was very, very wrong to be on his cell phone at that time, in that way, in that place, and I guarantee he knows it.

I'm kind of behind with all of this on this thread, but this is well said. I'm not sure if people saw my previous post or not, but RS read his text messages that he received from the woman who recorded the video. She said that she didn't even know who he was at first, but what speaking extremely loud on a 12 row plane. She said it was like he was "broadcasting" his conversation to everyone on the plane. According to her, and this is obviously before we got to see him on television so she had no preconceived notion of him, but she said he came off as a "pretentious douchebag" and he was "douchey mcdouche" and she also stated that guy seemed like he "loved hearing his own voice." Apparently, he also continued to talk a few times after the flight attendants told him to get off the phone.

In my opinion, I understand why he was on the phone, but he shouldn't have done it - at least not to the extent that he did. Regardless, for me, I just think this all ties into his attitude. He's arrogant and I've seen that throughout the show.

[luvlady345]

Honestly, I don't care who is more popular than whom.
Like I've been saying forever and a day---(let's all chime in now!)--these people don't effect my life--they don't pay my bills.   
The season is over for me and I have moved on--let them all be happy and healthy.  :cutesmile!: 

Speaking my language, I don't care either......

[stuckinsc]

Honestly, I don't care who is more popular than whom.
Like I've been saying forever and a day---(let's all chime in now!)--these people don't effect my life--they don't pay my bills.   
The season is over for me and I have moved on--let them all be happy and healthy.  :cutesmile!: 

I agree.  I like Nick, so I am going to continue to follow him, but the hate, I guess I am over it.  I like Kasha, don't care for MeAndI, but good luck to her and Josh, I am not going to put anymore energy into her.

I think for me I have discovered in general I like the less SM popular couples of this franchise, I love JP and Ash, but they don't record their every move.  I love JPG and Nikki, but they aren't advertising their whole lives either.  I have grown to love Des and Chris, but they too as not as popular on SM.  

Of course I have also discovered that I like the leads who aren't necessarily as willing to play the game as much as TPTB wishes.  Maybe if that makes them not ideal and TPTB want more who play along better, then I may have to leave this series.  Too bad, I have only skipped Lorenzo and Jason, so it would be sad, but I am okay letting this go, if this is where things are headed.

[soccermom333]

Except when one has signed an agreement to do much more than HESITATE, but to shut the he@@ up for the next two months.

I will never muster an ounce of sympathy for his loud, boorish take-down of his experience on the show in the first five minutes he had his phone back in an airport / on a plane.

It is shocking arrogance and disrespect to the show.







Really, he is not a  15 year old with a broken heart who chooses to talk to his mom in a public place on the flight home from summer camp... he is a 33 year old sophisticated business man who entered into a contract to appear on a television show, while dating.  Sales rep's are bound by confidentiality clauses on sensitive internal business information, sales leads, etc.  He was flagrantly and intentionally breaching a very serious confidentiality clause (with real $$$ business stakes for the production company and the network) in that moment, and he absolutely knew it and did it on purpose, and he simply ... GOT ... CAUGHT.  I don't have a shred of sympathy for his privacy "rights" ... and he had none anyway.  

Nick was thinking of Nick.  Period.  Nick got what he deserved.  He should be apologizing to the network and NZK ... as I am sure he groveled and did more than once.  Note he is not complaining of being recorded in a public place.

So, with respect and affection to many board pals, I have strong judgmental views about his recklessness in that moment.  

I have handled dozens of trade secret violation and non-compete cases over the years, all triggered by salesman who act just like Nick did here.  He was very, very wrong to be on his cell phone at that time, in that way, in that place, and I guarantee he knows it.

Nick himself even said TPTB are not happy with him.  I am sure there were many conversations about his "mistake" on the plane.  He messed up and he knows it.  After listening to some post show interviews he definitely made the decision on his own to "call Andi out."  I thought at first TPTB made him do it, now I know that is not true.  Not to say they didn't "encourage" him.  They know he was hoping for a Mesnick, which imo was absurd, but TPTB ran with that thought in his head.

Nick was definitely being Nick and got what HE wanted.   Andi and Josh have moved on and even said in a recent interview that it seems like so long ago.  They have made it perfectly clear they want nothing to do with him--I don't blame them--and seems like Nick is finally moving on too.  I see no sadness or remorse from Nick, which is his prerogative, but only adds to the "distaste" left in viewers minds.

Not all viewers fell that way. Nick does not need to show remorse or sadness she lead him on till the very end and he  had strong feelings for Andi. I am sure he is over that after seeing the real Andi on the AFTR ceremony . He will find a true woman that will love him like he deserves.  I would think that the JODI fans would concentrate on them instead of finding fault with Nick who is more popular than this couple at this time.IMO

I love this board and do spend most of my time in the fan threads but I also have the right to come into the discussion threads and DEFEND Josh and Andi, just as you have the right to defend Nick. I am sure he is over Andi after watching the show and seeing how she was with Josh. IMO

I love this couple, however they met on a show that I have been watching since the beginning and it is fun to "discuss" TPTB, contestants, editing, etc. etc. Josh was my favorite and I will continue to defend him when i feel the need. Off to the fan thread.

[Guest]

I enjoyed reading it, Karmagirl.
I agree with most of it, some I don't.
I have been fairly consistent this season--I didn't like MeandI from the start of the season and I don't like her now.
As far as twitter, IG or any of that social media stuff--really who cares? It's almost like 2 teams discussing who's dad is bigger than the other's.

That made me laugh, Kasha! You are the voice of reason. I am so glad you are here.  :cutesmile!: 

[albean99]

Honestly, I don't care who is more popular than whom.
Like I've been saying forever and a day---(let's all chime in now!)--these people don't effect my life--they don't pay my bills.   
The season is over for me and I have moved on--let them all be happy and healthy.  :cutesmile!: 

   I'm really ready to move on this season. I usually like someone during the show but then I'm ready for something else, such as my life.  :Nod:

[Guest]

As you indicated, popularity is subject to personal opinion.  However, in looking at numbers on SM, Nick is now at 27,200 followers on twitter and 43,000 on IG.  Josh now has 155,000 followers on twitter and 447,000 on IG.  Andi just passed the 300,000 mark on twitter and has 688,000 followers on IG.

I've been waiting for your professional opinion on this. Why didn't self preservation step in so that Nick didn't suffer further humiliation? Why do some people have a harder time letting go than others? Is it really about the heartbreak and need for closure or something else? Obviously, we only have a glimpse of him, but if you can look at it beyond Josh and Andi, what's your take? TIA

Honestly, I don't care who is more popular than whom.
Like I've been saying forever and a day---(let's all chime in now!)--these people don't effect my life--they don't pay my bills.   
The season is over for me and I have moved on--let them all be happy and healthy.  :cutesmile!: 

   I'm really ready to move on this season. I usually like someone during the show but then I'm ready for something else, such as my life.  :Nod:

I hear ya! I'm a bad bad fangirl. I dump them shortly after. Sorry Reid/ChrisL/Arie/Chres/soon to be Nick.  

[quietpal]

I'm glad Nick is thinking of Nick now. Good for him. That's what ette (that's what I'll call her) has been doing the whole season, thinking of herself. Right from the beginning of the season. Anyway, as others have said, I'm ready to move back to my regularly scheduled life. Just like checking the threads every now and then.  

[Lucas15]

I'm kind of behind with all of this on this thread, but this is well said. I'm not sure if people saw my previous post or not, but RS read his text messages that he received from the woman who recorded the video. She said that she didn't even know who he was at first, but what speaking extremely loud on a 12 row plane. She said it was like he was "broadcasting" his conversation to everyone on the plane. According to her, and this is obviously before we got to see him on television so she had no preconceived notion of him, but she said he came off as a "pretentious douchebag" and he was "douchey mcdouche" and she also stated that guy seemed like he "loved hearing his own voice." Apparently, he also continued to talk a few times after the flight attendants told him to get off the phone. 

I was thinking of trying to transcribe the text messages that RS had received from the girl on the plane but you've done a good job of capturing what those texts were. It does seem like Nick didn't make the greatest of impressions on her.

As you indicated, popularity is subject to personal opinion.  However, in looking at numbers on SM, Nick is now at 27,200 followers on twitter and 43,000 on IG.  Josh now has 155,000 followers on twitter and 447,000 on IG.  Andi just passed the 300,000 mark on twitter and has 688,000 followers on IG.

I've been waiting for your professional opinion on this. Why didn't self preservation step in so that Nick didn't suffer further humiliation? Why do some people have a harder time letting go than others? Is it really about the heartbreak and need for closure or something else? Obviously, we only have a glimpse of him, but if you can look at it beyond Josh and Andi, what's your take?

I also would love to hear those opinions.

It's been said that it took Nick 6 months to get over his broken engagement and after listening to what Andi said (when she broke off with Nick in DR) Nick felt something was wrong with that relationship (does that mean he broke up with her of she broke off with him?). Is it easier to get over a relationship when it's your decision to end it than when the end is forced on you by someone else, or does that make it harder?

If filming took the normal 6 weeks or so, Nick spent 6 weeks in the bubble, MAYBE a couple of days in total with Andi most of which was hectic and interrupted by camera crews and producers. At the time of the ATFR he had spent more time - a LOT more time - out of the bubble and away from Andi than he ever spent in it and with Andi, and yet there was still something that he couldn't let go of. This sort of sounds like a pattern with Nick and I don't understand why that pattern.

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