Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[Bet2Win]

It really didn't behoove Nick to bring it out, from the standpoint that it could be interpreted that he's no Arie.

I'm not a fan of anyone this season, but for him to bring it up, either (1) he really didn't understand how/why it occurred and was trying to get answers (2) production had him by the you know what's because of his video and it was a forced issue to bring drama, (3) Andi's a bitch and Nick's an ass (4) a combo of 1, 2, & 3; or somewhere in between.

[MVMom39forever]

Can I just say how freaking amazing Andi must be in the fs for Nick to be harping on one night after 3 months and the woman being engaged to another dude for 2 of them??

Best Ette Ever. Period.

JMO

  I was saying that also, Andi must be lined with gold   , I need whatever Andi has.....

Nick was pretty clear that his confusion was not merely due to his time with her in the Fantasy Suite Date. If you'd like, I'd be happy to recite yet again all the ways that Andi gave Nick special attention and spent more time with him than any other contestant (based on what we saw on camera) during the season starting night 1 with FIR.

[MVMom39forever]

Can I just say how freaking amazing Andi must be in the fs for Nick to be harping on one night after 3 months and the woman being engaged to another dude for 2 of them??

Best Ette Ever. Period.

JMO

  I was saying that also, Andi must be lined with gold   , I need whatever Andi has.....

Right?! Slow your roll, Andi! Poor Nick cannot simmer down after months and months now. Phew. Teach us your ways, girl!  :WAVEY: :WAVEY: 

Well, she can't be that good. Seems like Juan Pablo preferred talking to her than falling to her charms ...

My guess is that Jillian would be the Bachelorette to get your tips from ...   

[emeraldluvsbama]

No. It's not.That's the thing..... It seems that people are missing the point some of us are trying to make...... IT's all oh "poor Andi is being called horrendous names, bc bad-bad Nicky acted like an ass and said things that should have been kept behind closed doors..." when it really isn't (See 2-)

What bothers me are 2 things..
[#1- Is the COMPLETE refusal of some people to actually acknowledge(or at least understand) what role ANDI played in this whole mess(and THE EFFECT). Arguable much bigger than Nick.]
#2- it's all "oh poor Andi, and bad-bad Nicky still harping on it"... The thing is, this is WAY beyond the actors by now, it's about the act(the FS and the effed up  mentality that goes along with it). It's about generating dialog and thus changing things.
You think TIME magazine is running this story to antagonize Andi? In a month or two no one will give a crap about Andi(and Nick)(obviously exaggerating to make a point), but the FS situation will be talked about and discussed for years to come.

Wait.. I missed that..TIME magazine is running a story on this?

They also ran the one Arie wrote that Sean posted on his blog.

[Guest]

Again, this didn't happen in the real world but on a TV show where the lead is not allowed to share her true feelings with her suitors, so completely honest communication just doesn't happen, if Andi is following the rules of her contract.

I agree that caused a problem, but it's also why the decision to have sex was completely on her. She knew she didn't return his feelings, he could only make assumptions based on what she did tell him and her actions. I think his conclusions were pretty reasonable, especially if you're not us and know that some 'ettes do say ily in the FS.

[MVMom39forever]

Wait.. I missed that..TIME magazine is running a story on this?

Yes.

I love it.   

But I am betting that a few other folks love it more than me ... Fleiss ... Mills ... Elan ... awesome publicity for the show!

The circle of life sure is a funny thing ...

Andi made a deal with the devil when she trashed Juan Pablo to get her Bachelorette spot. I guess the devil forgot to tell her that she'd have to pay a price in the end before she could start attending all those NFL games with her F1 and his family.

Whoopsie!

[Guest]

No. It's not.That's the thing..... It seems that people are missing the point some of us are trying to make...... IT's all oh "poor Andi is being called horrendous names, bc bad-bad Nicky acted like an ass and said things that should have been kept behind closed doors..." when it really isn't (See 2-)

What bothers me are 2 things..
[#1- Is the COMPLETE refusal of some people to actually acknowledge(or at least understand) what role ANDI played in this whole mess(and THE EFFECT). Arguable much bigger than Nick.]
#2- it's all "oh poor Andi, and bad-bad Nicky still harping on it"... The thing is, this is WAY beyond the actors by now, it's about the act(the FS and the effed up  mentality that goes along with it). It's about generating dialog and thus changing things.
You think TIME magazine is running this story to antagonize Andi? In a month or two no one will give a crap about Andi(and Nick)(obviously exaggerating to make a point), but the FS situation will be talked about and discussed for years to come.

Wait.. I missed that..TIME magazine is running a story on this?

They also ran the one Arie wrote that Sean posted on his blog.

Are they printing exactly what he wrote for sean's blog or a story about gender roles/reversal using Nick as an example? TIA

[Cari]

Again, this didn't happen in the real world but on a TV show where the lead is not allowed to share her true feelings with her suitors, so completely honest communication just doesn't happen, if Andi is following the rules of her contract.

I agree that caused a problem, but it's also why the decision to have sex was completely on her. She knew she didn't return his feelings, he could only make assumptions based on what she did tell him and her actions. I think his conclusions were pretty reasonable, especially if you're not us and know that some 'ettes do say ily in the FS.

Gracey, interviews of Andi done before MTA, before finale. She's been consistent that her choice was after. Josh's FS , As we repeatedly had this discussion already. Many many many times. I now realize, we will go on circles because you do not believe her. But I completely understand  

[Ash2214]

Really? The minute Andi accepted $$$ to become the Bachelorette, date multiple guys on television and fool viewers (not to mention her suitors) into thinking that she was falling in love with more than one man, is the minute that her every action became very public.

Why is it okay to comment and have snarky opinions on every little thing about this show but not okay to comment and have opinions about what went on in the FD?

And, keep in mind that ANDI WENT THERE FIRST. She made it very public what happened with her and Juan Pablo during the Fantasy Suite date. She told all the world what an a$$hole and jerk he was. You can't have it both ways!

Andi and Nick had sex in a private suite. No one else was around. No cameras. No crew. They could do whatever the heck they wanted to (clearly they did). What they did was in private. Sex should be a private thing. The deed was done in private. Do you happen to know if anyone was watching them or was in the room with them? If not, the act was done in private, but at the end of the day, Nick made it public.

Just as ANdi made her PRIVATE time in the Fantasy Suite date with Juan Pablo very PUBLIC.


While Nick looked credibly confused and heartbroken when he did it, Andi seemed to relish her role in exposing her time in FD and even scored the Bachelorette role with her media tour ...

Huffington Post: Andi Dorfman Just Exposed The True Reality of the Bachelor

ABC News: 'Bachelor' Contestant Andi Dorfman Mocks Juan Pablo Galavis

US Magazine: Andi Dorfman, Bachelor Costars Mock Juan Pablo on Twitter Before Fantasy Suite Episode

People Magazine: "Bachelor's Andi Dorfman: 'I Was Turned Off' by Juan Pablo"

Excerpt: Andi Dorfman is still not over Juan Pablo Galavis's bad behavior on their overnight date in St. Lucia – and she trashes the hunky Venezuelan in the "Women Tell All" Bachelor special on Monday.

"I think he thinks he was a very good Bachelor," the 26-year-old tells host Chris Harrison, adding that the former soccer pro is "borderline narcissistic to the point where he was going to go down as the best 'el bachelor' in history."

Andi talked about the things they said in the fantasy suite. She didn't say they had sex and then later in interviews stated the sex was effortless and they weren't lacking in chemistry.

[Kashathediva]

It really didn't behoove Nick to bring it out, from the standpoint that it could be interpreted that he's no Arie.  

I'm not a fan of anyone this season, but for him to bring it up, either (1) he really didn't understand how/why it occurred and was trying to get answers (2) production had him by the you know what's because of his video and it was a forced issue to bring drama, (3) Andi's a bitch and Nick's an ass (4) a combo of 1, 2, & 3; or somewhere in between.

Nicely summed up!
And this my dears is why you don't go on reality tv.

[luvlady345]

  I was saying that also, Andi must be lined with gold   , I need whatever Andi has.....

Right?! Slow your roll, Andi! Poor Nick cannot simmer down after months and months now. Phew. Teach us your ways, girl!  :WAVEY: :WAVEY: 

Well, she can't be that good. Seems like Juan Pablo preferred talking to her than falling to her charms ...

My guess is that Jillian would be the Bachelorette to get your tips from ...   

Well, I guess someone needs to let Nick know she is not that good, since he is still whining/crying/debating it 3 months later....

[sbolduc]

Andi and Nick had sex in a private suite. No one else was around. No cameras. No crew. They could do whatever the heck they wanted to (clearly they did). What they did was in private. Sex should be a private thing. The deed was done in private. Do you happen to know if anyone was watching them or was in the room with them? If not, the act was done in private, but at the end of the day, Nick made it public.

Just as ANdi made her PRIVATE time in the Fantasy Suite date with Juan Pablo very PUBLIC.


While Nick looked credibly confused and heartbroken when he did it, Andi seemed to relish her role in exposing her time in FD and even scored the Bachelorette role with her media tour ...

Huffington Post: Andi Dorfman Just Exposed The True Reality of the Bachelor

ABC News: 'Bachelor' Contestant Andi Dorfman Mocks Juan Pablo Galavis

US Magazine: Andi Dorfman, Bachelor Costars Mock Juan Pablo on Twitter Before Fantasy Suite Episode

People Magazine: "Bachelor's Andi Dorfman: 'I Was Turned Off' by Juan Pablo"

Excerpt: Andi Dorfman is still not over Juan Pablo Galavis's bad behavior on their overnight date in St. Lucia – and she trashes the hunky Venezuelan in the "Women Tell All" Bachelor special on Monday.

"I think he thinks he was a very good Bachelor," the 26-year-old tells host Chris Harrison, adding that the former soccer pro is "borderline narcissistic to the point where he was going to go down as the best 'el bachelor' in history."

Andi talked about the things they said in the fantasy suite. She didn't say they had sex and then later in interviews stated the sex was effortless and they weren't lacking in chemistry.

Sorry Ash and Cari or someone else can you please clarify, I didn't watch more than 20 min of JP's season so I have don't know much about it. Are we saying that Andi said the bolded above about JP, or is that what Nick said?

Did Andi talk about her and JP having sex in the FS last season?

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