Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[Ash2214]

I don't have any doubt where Nick's head was at--the blog post said it all.
We will never know where MeandI's head was at, that's ok. We don't have to. All we know is they were not on the same page.

Exactly. I've also said this multiple times, but there are many different factors with this ridiculous show. We saw that huge table of alcohol on Josh's fantasy suite. There is drinking involved, she was obviously physically attracted to Nick and it's human nature and Andi was alone with a guy she was attracted to for the first time in over a month, plus you're caught up in the moment, which is very easy to do.

For me, it's as simple as Andi probably shouldn't have slept with Nick and Nick probably shouldn't have blurted out on national television that she did.

[Alanna]

I don't have any doubt where Nick's head was at--the blog post said it all.
We will never know where MeandI's head was at, that's ok. We don't have to. All we know is they were not on the same page.

Exactly. I've also said this multiple times, but there are many different factors with this ridiculous show. We saw that huge table of alcohol on Josh's fantasy suite. There is drinking involved, she was obviously physically attracted to Nick and it's human nature and Andi was alone with a guy she was attracted to for the first time in over a month, plus you're caught up in the moment, which is very easy to do.

For me, it's as simple as Andi probably shouldn't have slept with Nick and Nick probably shouldn't have blurted out on national television that she did.  

ITA. He's the drunk hookup who will not disappear now for her. NIGHTMARE that he keeps bringing it up. I'm sure she's learned her lesson to only be with Josh from now on

[Cecilia]

In the Jezebel interview (which she was interviewed for after the MTA and before the ATFR) Andi said that she knew it was Josh after the FS.  So, I honestly think that she wasn't sure when she slept with Nick.  But, also in that interview she says that she wouldn't be engaged if Josh wasn't there and that although she definitely had an attraction to Nick, that it was really hard because she liked Nick, and that he "definitely was the second person." So, what she says in interviews is confusing and conflicting.  It's a combo between her honest feelings, a re-writing of history (not necessarily in a bad way but in a what you have to do now that you are ready to marry someone else kind of way).  

See for me, I don't think it was too conflicting or confusing. In interviews she also stated from the moment Josh stepped out of the limo, there was something there, but she didn't know with 100% certainty until after the fantasy suite. In one of CH's blogs, he essentially said that production basically told her to try out other relationships and if she ends up with Josh, then that's great, but it would be best to keep herself open. I think that ties in directly with what she said. From the beginning she knew there was something with Josh, but she formed other relationships too. Nick was "definitely the number two person" but she fell in love with Josh.

For her based off what she said, it seems like in the fantasy suite she saw that Josh was the same person on and off camera and that his feelings were genuine so it kind of finally lowered that last wall she had up with him. She stated that she was attracted to Nick and liked him, but she didn't describe anything further than that. As sad as it is, and it might not be the best way to put it, I think Nick was always her "plan B" if it didn't work with Josh. I happen to think that if Josh had his fantasy date first, there would have been a good chance she wouldn't have slept with Nick, especially since she's saying after her fantasy date with Josh she knew it was going to be him.  

In terms of first paragraph: I like her better if she wasn't certain. If she was certain from the get-go then she shouldn't have led Nick on so hard. So, in order for me to still like her a bit, I stick to my theory. only she knows.

In terms of second paragraph: I agree that Nick was plan B. He sure didn't think he was!

[Guest]

I don't have any doubt where Nick's head was at--the blog post said it all.
We will never know where MeandI's head was at, that's ok. We don't have to. All we know is they were not on the same page.

Exactly. I've also said this multiple times, but there are many different factors with this ridiculous show. We saw that huge table of alcohol on Josh's fantasy suite. There is drinking involved, she was obviously physically attracted to Nick and it's human nature and Andi was alone with a guy she was attracted to for the first time in over a month, plus you're caught up in the moment, which is very easy to do.

For me, it's as simple as Andi probably shouldn't have slept with Nick and Nick probably shouldn't have blurted out on national television that she did.  

I agree with your last sentence, but there's a lot more she shouldn't have done, such as asking a 9 year old if she'd take her as a sister.

Are we 100% sure that Josh's FD was last? Billy Bush said she slept with Nick 8 days before the FRC which would make Nick's last. It struck me that he said 8 days, rather than a guess-timate of a week.

[Cecilia]

I don't have any doubt where Nick's head was at--the blog post said it all.
We will never know where MeandI's head was at, that's ok. We don't have to. All we know is they were not on the same page.

Exactly. I've also said this multiple times, but there are many different factors with this ridiculous show. We saw that huge table of alcohol on Josh's fantasy suite. There is drinking involved, she was obviously physically attracted to Nick and it's human nature and Andi was alone with a guy she was attracted to for the first time in over a month, plus you're caught up in the moment, which is very easy to do.

For me, it's as simple as Andi probably shouldn't have slept with Nick and Nick probably shouldn't have blurted out on national television that she did.  

I agree with your last sentence, but there's a lot more she shouldn't have done, such as asking a 9 year old if she take her as a sister.

Are we 100% sure that Josh's FD was last? Billy Bush said she slept with Nick 8 days before the FRC which would make Nick's last. It struck me that he said 8 days, rather than a guess-timate of a week.

I brought this up earlier, and posters said that either RS or our own sleuthers had confirmed the order of the dates. Not sure if that is true or not.

[umngirl]

I don't have any doubt where Nick's head was at--the blog post said it all.
We will never know where MeandI's head was at, that's ok. We don't have to. All we know is they were not on the same page.

Exactly. I've also said this multiple times, but there are many different factors with this ridiculous show. We saw that huge table of alcohol on Josh's fantasy suite. There is drinking involved, she was obviously physically attracted to Nick and it's human nature and Andi was alone with a guy she was attracted to for the first time in over a month, plus you're caught up in the moment, which is very easy to do.

For me, it's as simple as Andi probably shouldn't have slept with Nick and Nick probably shouldn't have blurted out on national television that she did.  

I agree with your last sentence, but there's a lot more she shouldn't have done, such as asking a 9 year old if she take her as a sister.

Are we 100% sure that Josh's FD was last? Billy Bush said she slept with Nick 8 days before the FRC which would make Nick's last. It struck me that he said 8 days, rather than a guess-timate of a week.

Pretty positive we had a tweet sighting of Josh and Andi dancing in the streets so the date was confirmed that way.

[bleuberry]

He's still talking about it?   

[Cari]

I've read Andi's post interviews and it's very clear to me and has been consistent that she knew it was Josh only after Josh's FS where she had an epiphany of sorts. (Josh as her "bestfriend") Her Jezebel Magazine interview was done IIRC before the MTA. She expounded on both F2s.

I'm not sure how Nick's guest blog sits with me. I highly appreciate his consistent owning of it as a "mistake".   

I know he has every right to explain, defend, *cough* justify his infamous question. It's just that the more he tries to explain away the more I feel he is digging a deeper hole.  :Nod: Whether his intention (the statement & yes, the blog) was pure or not, the effect remains. Nick peed a circle around Andi. It is still SLUT SHAMING. No amount of explanation erases the effect whether you deliberately wanted to hurt Andi or it came from the place of hurt.

Nick, dearie. Look at Andi. She's no angel. She's not blameless in all these. She was humiliated by your "unintentional" question because she showed you "no compassion". AND YET is she talking about "IT" Lengthily?! I accepted your "I-was-coming-from-a-place-of-hurt explanation in your past post show interviews.    you still had the compulsion to explain further?! Seriously?! And here I thought you already had closure...

Nick, Nick, Nick,

There is wisdom in...

LESS TALK

LESS TROUBLE....

[Cecilia]

^^I think there is a great debate in the media, here, etc. about whether it is slut shaming. IMO it's not, but I'm a pretty hardcore feminist.

[Ash2214]

In the Jezebel interview (which she was interviewed for after the MTA and before the ATFR) Andi said that she knew it was Josh after the FS.  So, I honestly think that she wasn't sure when she slept with Nick.  But, also in that interview she says that she wouldn't be engaged if Josh wasn't there and that although she definitely had an attraction to Nick, that it was really hard because she liked Nick, and that he "definitely was the second person." So, what she says in interviews is confusing and conflicting.  It's a combo between her honest feelings, a re-writing of history (not necessarily in a bad way but in a what you have to do now that you are ready to marry someone else kind of way).  

See for me, I don't think it was too conflicting or confusing. In interviews she also stated from the moment Josh stepped out of the limo, there was something there, but she didn't know with 100% certainty until after the fantasy suite. In one of CH's blogs, he essentially said that production basically told her to try out other relationships and if she ends up with Josh, then that's great, but it would be best to keep herself open. I think that ties in directly with what she said. From the beginning she knew there was something with Josh, but she formed other relationships too. Nick was "definitely the number two person" but she fell in love with Josh.

For her based off what she said, it seems like in the fantasy suite she saw that Josh was the same person on and off camera and that his feelings were genuine so it kind of finally lowered that last wall she had up with him. She stated that she was attracted to Nick and liked him, but she didn't describe anything further than that. As sad as it is, and it might not be the best way to put it, I think Nick was always her "plan B" if it didn't work with Josh. I happen to think that if Josh had his fantasy date first, there would have been a good chance she wouldn't have slept with Nick, especially since she's saying after her fantasy date with Josh she knew it was going to be him.  

In terms of first paragraph: I like her better if she wasn't certain.  If she was certain from the get-go then she shouldn't have led Nick on so hard.  So, in order for me to still like her a bit, I stick to my theory.  only she knows.

In terms of second paragraph: I agree that Nick was plan B.  He sure didn't think he was!

I totally understand and agree. We'll never fully know, so it's good for both sides

[isittrue]

He's still talking about it?   

Why not? People spent days here talking about it and then more days talking about the person he was following on twitter. Guess he is no different than us except this obviously still affects him personally as opposed to us.

We don't know why he posted the blog now - maybe Sean encouraged him or he asked Sean to post it earlier and Sean ran Arie's article first. Who knows? It is still a big story in national media at any rate.

[Cari]

^^I think there is a great debate in the media, here, etc. about whether it is slut shaming.  IMO it's not, but I'm a pretty hardcore feminist.

The fact that Nick questions "why sleep with me" and his fans are angry at Andi for "sleeping" with him when "she has already picked Josh" insinuate/question Andi's integrity. Come on, let's not talk semantics here. It's basically calling her a slut

and yet the questioning is not slut shaming? Hmmm...

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