Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[isittrue]

What really get to me is why someone (no one in particular!) who obviously hates Nick and loves Jodi would spend their time reading Nick's tweets, studying his followers, and then not only reading many of the tweets of those followers, but using those tweets as further justification of their original hate of Nick.  Our time on this Earth is limited (remember Eric??)--why would anyone want to spend even one hour studying tweets of someone they hate?  Sorry, it just doesn't make sense to me.  

Thank you!  That is exactly that point I was trying to make: if you don't like a person, why do you care what they do on SM if it has no effect on you personally?

[happygolucky]

As one of those, so called Nick's fans, I would like to express the issue of our strong response in his defense. I think most of us don't always agree with every decision he makes, probably almost everyone on Nick's team wishes he wouldn't talk about Fantasy suite activity, I'm sure many of us believe it was a fall in his class-act and a faux pas in his usually respectful behavior that he conducted throughout the season towards Andi. But we as fans, who have decided to vehemently follow his every move (on the show), observe him (even in his SM activity) and try to understand him or find the reasons for his actions, demeanor, attitude and choices ... also find some very positive traits in him, a kind soul, a genuine heart, open-honest guy, who has no problem to say what he thinks, regarding the consequences, a guy who respects and listens others around him and himself tries to understand others. A man who showed his maturity by sincerely talking about his past relationships and the lessons that he has learned. A man who has demonstrated compassion and forgiveness (Catdwoman ... I'm so using your words, but I just like reading your posts and once taken in, the message resonates) for his "opponents" after hearing them criticize him. A man who isn't afraid to admit his mistakes, state his flaws, but also voice his pride, his ambition and what he wants. He goes for it, he asks questions, he dares to make a move, he has courage to jump into unknown, he, who is so confident, that makes some people uncomfortable, but also a man who is humble enough to offer himself to the service. Who walks as he talks ... why I feel like I've made this up? ... well, walk the walk ... his actions and his words go hand in hand. And with that he gives you certainty and sense of familiarity, welcomes you in his life, shows you his home, introduces you to his huge family, where people actually like/love each other. He can ground himself to talk with a child and still, by his profession, is capable to talk serious business. A man who thinks before he acts and then every step he makes is meaningful. The same as every word, gesture or gift he offers to his lady. I don't know ... I'm sure there's more to say about his beautiful character, that we have seen ... and I'm sounding way too cheesy, so I won't continue ... So when he makes some poor decision, when he says a word that scratches our ears or steps on someones toes ... we wish people would just be reminded that it's just that moment and even if more moments occur, there are also that many good ones that come and that much more to this man than just a wrong word or a lapse in judgement. Because we are all flawed, we all make mistakes, sometimes we even repeat them, over and over again ... till the lesson finally sinks in.

And yes, the same empathy should be reserved also for Andi, for Josh or whoever ... but they are not the topic of this thread.

It's my choice who I'm going to talk about, write about, complain about, sing praises or criticize ... but when I join the community that has Nick's name on it, I try my best to send a positive message out there. Since he already has to live with himself and clean his own s***. And if I don't contribute to the discussion about Andi or Josh ... is because I prefer not to go down the road of negativity, but if I would choose to write something nice and beautiful about them, positive, I would go to their thread to leave a message.
All I can say here is ... I like my guy.

ETA:
For those who care ... My personal opinion, I don't think he actually made a mistake by saying what he did. It certainly doesn't define him as a classless person in my eyes, even though I agree with his public statement, that he wishes he would have used different words or put emphasis on the whole process, not just the act. But sometimes 'sorry' is all it takes to change a moment. And sometimes 'thank you' is not enough.

[stuckinsc]

I am not on twitter, so it won't let me see who Nick is following.

I guess I would use myself as an example on Facebook and for something that is real life and a ton more important than this silly show. I have friends who are Jewish and many others and who are very much pro-Israel, I was raised this way as well. In graduate school I have met many Muslim friends, some who are actually Palestinian and live in Jordon now after graduation, who are obviously pro-Palestine. Both groups post things that I not always agree with, but they are my friends so I don't block their posts. I sometimes comment and sometimes I don not.

Should I unfriend or block posts from one or the other group because the other group is offended? Luckily, my friends know I am a slightly left leaning person, who believes in a lot of personal responsibility as well, so they can use my timeline to debate things without being nasty and I love it.

If I blocked one group, the debate and possible opening of eyes couldn't happen.

I am not defending Nick, sounds like that guy is a real POS. But I will say that often on FB at least I get friend requests that I don't always investigate who they are, as I work with lots of Muslims and Asians and often don't know their full names. I may check later and defriend, but it would take me a while. I don't know if following on twitter is like this or not.

But I also think that if Nick chooses to follow someone who doesn't like Josh and Andi, that is his right. If it offends you then I suggest you don't follow Nick or look at his SM.

I love that defending Josh and Andi is used as an excuse, maybe during the season okay, but now? Josh and Andi have moved on and personally, my opinion, they would probably like to never hear the name Nick again. I would think they would tell their fans to not even bother with Nick. Didn't Josh say he and Andi don't associate with people like Nick? Might be better for fans to do the same.

I don't see the need to defend Josh and Andi on Nick's thread. I would defend them on their own discussion thread.

But that said, I don't think Josh and Andi need to be defended, they are fine.

[Guest]

I am not on twitter, so it won't let me see who Nick is following.

I guess I would use myself as an example on Facebook and for something that is real life and a ton more important than this silly show.  I have friends who are Jewish and many others and who are very much pro-Israel, I was raised this way as well.  In graduate school I have met many Muslim friends, some who are actually Palestinian and live in Jordon now after graduation, who are obviously pro-Palestine.  Both groups post things that I not always agree with, but they are my friends so I don't block their posts.  I sometimes comment and sometimes I don not.  

Should I unfriend or block posts from one or the other group because the other group is offended?  Luckily, my friends know I am a slightly left leaning person, who believes in a lot of personal responsibility as well, so they can use my timeline to debate things without being nasty and I love it.

If I blocked one group, the debate and possible opening of eyes couldn't happen.

I am not defending Nick, sounds like that guy is a real POS.  But I will say that often on FB at least I get friend requests that I don't always investigate who they are, as I work with lots of Muslims and Asians and often don't know their full names.  I may check later and defriend, but it would take me a while.  I don't know if following on twitter is like this or not.

But I also think that if Nick chooses to follow someone who doesn't like Josh and Andi, that is his right.  If it offends you then I suggest you don't follow Nick or look at his SM.  

I love that defending Josh and Andi is used as an excuse, maybe during the season okay, but now?  Josh and Andi have moved on and personally, my opinion, they would probably like to never hear the name Nick again.  I would think they would tell their fans to not even bother with Nick.  Didn't Josh say he and Andi don't associate with people like Nick?  Might be better for fans to do the same.

I don't see the need to defend Josh and Andi on Nick's thread.  I would defend them on their own discussion thread.  

But that said, I don't think Josh and Andi need to be defended, they are fine.

But, the thing is, I wouldn't blame Nick for following someone who was a Nick/Andi fan. I wouldn't even blame him for following someone who tweeted Andi saying "OMG, you are such an idiot for choosing that dumb jock". But, what this particular person is doing is harassment. They are tweeting incredibly vulgar and slut-shaming things about Andi and they took the time to photoshop Nick's picture onto Josh's. And, it's VERY doubtful that Nick chose to follow this person for any other reason, considering that a) Nick primarily only follows celebrities, family members, and Bachelor Nation, b) this person has a total of 14 followers, and c) this person doesn't even follow Nick back! Also, the order of who you follow is shown, so Nick JUST followed him a day or two ago. After those tweets were sent out. The only way Nick would have even noticed him is because he tagged Nick in his tweets. None of his tweets are ever favorited or retweeted, so it's not like Nick would have randomly found him.

Look at my posting history. I'm not a Jodi fan and never was or will be. I used to be a huge Nick supporter and repeatedly argued that he wasn't trying to shame Andi at the ATFR. But, I do feel very differently after seeing Nick's activity on SM.

[stuckinsc]

I am not on twitter, so it won't let me see who Nick is following.

I guess I would use myself as an example on Facebook and for something that is real life and a ton more important than this silly show.  I have friends who are Jewish and many others and who are very much pro-Israel, I was raised this way as well.  In graduate school I have met many Muslim friends, some who are actually Palestinian and live in Jordon now after graduation, who are obviously pro-Palestine.  Both groups post things that I not always agree with, but they are my friends so I don't block their posts.  I sometimes comment and sometimes I don not.  

Should I unfriend or block posts from one or the other group because the other group is offended?  Luckily, my friends know I am a slightly left leaning person, who believes in a lot of personal responsibility as well, so they can use my timeline to debate things without being nasty and I love it.

If I blocked one group, the debate and possible opening of eyes couldn't happen.

I am not defending Nick, sounds like that guy is a real POS.  But I will say that often on FB at least I get friend requests that I don't always investigate who they are, as I work with lots of Muslims and Asians and often don't know their full names.  I may check later and defriend, but it would take me a while.  I don't know if following on twitter is like this or not.

But I also think that if Nick chooses to follow someone who doesn't like Josh and Andi, that is his right.  If it offends you then I suggest you don't follow Nick or look at his SM.  

I love that defending Josh and Andi is used as an excuse, maybe during the season okay, but now?  Josh and Andi have moved on and personally, my opinion, they would probably like to never hear the name Nick again.  I would think they would tell their fans to not even bother with Nick.  Didn't Josh say he and Andi don't associate with people like Nick?  Might be better for fans to do the same.

I don't see the need to defend Josh and Andi on Nick's thread.  I would defend them on their own discussion thread.  

But that said, I don't think Josh and Andi need to be defended, they are fine.

But, the thing is, I wouldn't blame Nick for following someone who was a Nick/Andi fan. I wouldn't even blame him for following someone who tweeted Andi saying "OMG, you are such an idiot for choosing that dumb jock". But, what this particular person is doing is harassment. They are tweeting incredibly vulgar and slut-shaming things about Andi and they took the time to photoshop Nick's picture onto Josh's. And, it's VERY doubtful that Nick chose to follow this person for any other reason, considering that a) Nick primarily only follows celebrities, family members, and Bachelor Nation, b) this person has a total of 14 followers, and c) this person doesn't even follow Nick back! Also, the order of who you follow is shown, so Nick JUST followed him a day or two ago. After those tweets were sent out. The only way Nick would have even noticed him is because he tagged Nick in his tweets. None of his tweets are ever favorited or retweeted, so it's not like Nick would have randomly found him.

Look at my posting history. I'm not a Jodi fan and never was or will be. I used to be a huge Nick supporter and repeatedly argued that he wasn't trying to shame Andi at the ATFR. But, I do feel very differently after seeing Nick's activity on SM.

Again, I don't follow SM. But other than this follow, what has Nick done on SM since the finale? I don't know about this follow, don't know how easy it is to follow or unfollow on Twitter and since he has not retweeted this guy, I don't see any of his posts to look at the guys site.

Is this the only thing Nick has done? I looked over his twitter feed and didn't see anything offensive. I guess my point is. I am friends with people on facebook and until I take the effort to see their postings I don't know what they are truly like.

If Nick follows this guy along with his other 176 people, do all this guys posts show up to him. Again, I am not SM intelligent and don't even own a smart phone, so this is a genuine question.

I don't hate Andi and Josh, but I don't see how Nick really has anything to do with them anymore. I won't hate Nick if he likes this guy, but yeah, probably not the best, I guess if he was retweeting and increasing the visibility of this guys posts, I might understand better. Like I said, not being on twitter, just looking at this page, I can't even see his followers.

[Woodyallen90210]

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[stuckinsc]

Or perhaps ignore them, it hurts much worse if someone is only desiring attention. To each their own. Again, I went to the first page of Nick's twitter and saw nothing anti- Josh and Andi.

I hope the couple and Nick have both moved on.

Let's all move on to BiP. Trainwrecks await!

[Guest]

I am not on twitter, so it won't let me see who Nick is following.

I guess I would use myself as an example on Facebook and for something that is real life and a ton more important than this silly show.  I have friends who are Jewish and many others and who are very much pro-Israel, I was raised this way as well.  In graduate school I have met many Muslim friends, some who are actually Palestinian and live in Jordon now after graduation, who are obviously pro-Palestine.  Both groups post things that I not always agree with, but they are my friends so I don't block their posts.  I sometimes comment and sometimes I don not.  

Should I unfriend or block posts from one or the other group because the other group is offended?  Luckily, my friends know I am a slightly left leaning person, who believes in a lot of personal responsibility as well, so they can use my timeline to debate things without being nasty and I love it.

If I blocked one group, the debate and possible opening of eyes couldn't happen.

I am not defending Nick, sounds like that guy is a real POS.  But I will say that often on FB at least I get friend requests that I don't always investigate who they are, as I work with lots of Muslims and Asians and often don't know their full names.  I may check later and defriend, but it would take me a while.  I don't know if following on twitter is like this or not.

But I also think that if Nick chooses to follow someone who doesn't like Josh and Andi, that is his right.  If it offends you then I suggest you don't follow Nick or look at his SM.  

I love that defending Josh and Andi is used as an excuse, maybe during the season okay, but now?  Josh and Andi have moved on and personally, my opinion, they would probably like to never hear the name Nick again.  I would think they would tell their fans to not even bother with Nick.  Didn't Josh say he and Andi don't associate with people like Nick?  Might be better for fans to do the same.

I don't see the need to defend Josh and Andi on Nick's thread.  I would defend them on their own discussion thread.  

But that said, I don't think Josh and Andi need to be defended, they are fine.

But, the thing is, I wouldn't blame Nick for following someone who was a Nick/Andi fan. I wouldn't even blame him for following someone who tweeted Andi saying "OMG, you are such an idiot for choosing that dumb jock". But, what this particular person is doing is harassment. They are tweeting incredibly vulgar and slut-shaming things about Andi and they took the time to photoshop Nick's picture onto Josh's. And, it's VERY doubtful that Nick chose to follow this person for any other reason, considering that a) Nick primarily only follows celebrities, family members, and Bachelor Nation, b) this person has a total of 14 followers, and c) this person doesn't even follow Nick back! Also, the order of who you follow is shown, so Nick JUST followed him a day or two ago. After those tweets were sent out. The only way Nick would have even noticed him is because he tagged Nick in his tweets. None of his tweets are ever favorited or retweeted, so it's not like Nick would have randomly found him.

Look at my posting history. I'm not a Jodi fan and never was or will be. I used to be a huge Nick supporter and repeatedly argued that he wasn't trying to shame Andi at the ATFR. But, I do feel very differently after seeing Nick's activity on SM.

Again, I don't follow SM. But other than this follow, what has Nick done on SM since the finale?  I don't know about this follow, don't know how easy it is to follow or unfollow on Twitter and since he has not retweeted this guy, I don't see any of his posts to look at the guys site.

Is this the only thing Nick has done?  I looked over his twitter feed and didn't see anything offensive.  I guess my point is.  I am friends with people on facebook and until I take the effort to see their postings I don't know what they are truly like.

If Nick follows this guy along with  his other 176 people, do all this guys posts show up to him.  Again, I am not SM intelligent and don't even own a smart phone, so this is a genuine question.

I don't hate Andi and Josh, but I don't see how Nick really has anything to do with them anymore.  I won't hate Nick if he likes this guy, but yeah, probably not the best, I guess if he was retweeting and increasing the visibility of this guys posts, I might understand better.  Like I said, not being on twitter, just looking at this page, I can't even see his followers.

- Yeah, I think FB is a little different, because you only friend people that you at least kind of "know". On Twitter, you follow people you know, celebrities, and then randoms, based on what they tweet. So, for example, if Ellen Degeneres said something vulgar and offensive, I wouldn't blame Nick for following her since I know that it's her celebrity that drew him to follow, not her tweets. But, when someone only has 14 followers and has tagged you in a couple of tweets and you follow them, it pretty much means that you are following them because you liked those tweets.

- Nick would be able to see anything that he posts after he started following this guy. So, since Nick started following him yesterday or two days ago, he definitely saw all of those tweets

- It's very easy to follow or unfollow. Just a click!

- As far as his other SM mistakes go, I haven't been following it much either. I did hear that he favorited a comment about Josh getting raped and then apologized for it. I know that he's also made comments about the "FS episode being too steamy for Bella" and posted a picture of Andi/him kissing, which people thought was disrespectful to Andi's relationship with Josh. I didn't really think too much of the latter, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt for the former. I know that there was one other thing, but I can't remember.

- I think that Nick is just not very Twitter-savvy. I think that he favorites and follows people that he likes, not thinking that anyone else will notice. He figures that as long as he's not tweeting it or re-tweeting, no will see it on his main page and they won't figure it out. He would NEVER be stupid enough to re-tweet something like (in gray, b/c offensive) @jmurbulldog what does @viallnicholas28 's **** taste like? Hopefully he pumped all the Houston Texan **** out of Andi 4 U. #sloppyseconds. He would be destroyed by the fans, tabloids, entertainment websites, producers, etc. for that, and he knows it.

[MVMom39forever]

I am on Team stuckinsc and agree with her comments ... also excited to move onto BIP!!

Since there has been SO MUCH conversation (and character assassination) on Nick's fan thread about this topic, I decided to do a little investigating to judge for myself. I am a Nick fan and follow him on SM.  

I looked at Nick's Favorites and he has not favorited anything the guy ... @willardkovacs  ... posted. This guy is most likely based in Atlanta, GA as his most recent tweet is about @JoanneFOX5 who is the meteorologist on GoodDayAtlanta.

From what I can see, Mr. Kovacs seems to have an issue with his hometown couple as he started baiting Josh first.

If you look at Mr. Kovacs twitter profile, there are no tweets popping up about Bachelorette or anything pro Nick. He tweets mostly about sports. However, Kovacs' tweets & replies show that when Josh tweeted the People magazine issue on Aug 2nd, Kovacs had a very vile response on Aug 3rd that I won't post here. This first tweet did NOT include Nick's twitter name. Kovacs tweeted another vile tweet on Aug 3rd and for that one he did include Nick's twitter name, which must have alerted Nick to the conversation.

KOVACS NEXT TWEET on Aug 3rd was directed to John Busings (of Georgia and the place where Aaron Murray trains) ...

@JBusingGATA @viallnicholas28 and @jmurbulldog are #eskimobrothers

On Aug 2nd someone named Bernadette posted this:

Bernadette ‏@BMN0203  · Aug 2  
@jmurbulldog @AndiDorfman Incredibly good looking couple.  Never saw a guy more Handsome than JOSH !  All the best....xo

On Aug 3rd, Kovacs tweeted the following response to Bernadette along with People Magazine photo of Jodi and replaced Josh's face with Nick's:

@BMN0203 @jmurbulldog @AndiDorfman this guy (@viallnicholas28 )was handsome enough at one point too! #neverforget

SO ... Let's summarize ...

1) Kovacs seems to be trying to rile up the Murray's by proactively responding to them and their fans

2) Kovacs dragged NIck into these tweets by adding in his twitter address

3) Nick did not favorite Kovacs' tweets

4) Nick following Kovacs does not mean he condones his comments

5) I am willing to give Nick the benefit of the doubt that the reason he is following Kovacs is to figure out what the heck this guy is up to and what he's going to say next that will involve him ...

6) Kovacs clearly enjoys being crass & inappropriate. His profile reads:  

"Bad people go to hell? I don't think so. If you think that, act that way."

He seems to now be harassing someone named Bob Harig who is a golf writer with ESPN with a bunch of vile tweets.

Kovacs also recently tweeted to Andrew Dice Clay (a super misogynistic comedian) the following:

@TheRealDiceClay great work in blue jasmine. I'm a fan from late 80s. Saw u in omni late 80s and again in Vegas in 2001. #legend #respect

7) My GUESS is that Kovacs made his stink about Jodi and is going to move onto his next victim based on no rhyme or reason.

[MVMom39forever]

- Yeah, I think FB is a little different, because you only friend people that you at least kind of "know". On Twitter, you follow people you know, celebrities, and then randoms, based on what they tweet. So, for example, if Ellen Degeneres said something vulgar and offensive, I wouldn't blame Nick for following her since I know that it's her celebrity that drew him to follow, not her tweets. But, when someone only has 14 followers and has tagged you in a couple of tweets and you follow them, it pretty much means that you are following them because you liked those tweets.


MVMOM - That's a leap ... assumption ...

- Nick would be able to see anything that he posts after he started following this guy. So, since Nick started following him yesterday or two days ago, he definitely saw all of those tweets

Only if he looked at his Tweets & Replies ...

- It's very easy to follow or unfollow. Just a click!

- As far as his other SM mistakes go, I haven't been following it much either. I did hear that he favorited a comment about Josh getting raped and then apologized for it.

MVMOM: What?! Are you sure about that? Would love to see this tweet as that's news to me ...

I know that he's also made comments about the "FS episode being too steamy for Bella"

MVMOM: Here's his tweet: "I'm guessing mom and dad will not be letting Bella watch tonight. She won't be pleased. #fantasysuite #TheBachelorette"

Fair statement. He & Andi made out most of the episode and she was the one yanking on his pockets pulling their pelvises closer. Not to mention the fact that Andi asked Bella during HTD if she'd like to have her as a sister, which Bella excitedly nodded her head YES! So how confusing and sad for Bella to watch her brother makeout with Andi all day in water this episode, read her his beautiful storybook that TPTB set against a video montage of their season together ... and ... hear her brother tell Andi he loved her, all to have Andi break her brother's heart in the end. So, yeah, I don't think that Bella would be pleased!  

and posted a picture of Andi/him kissing, which people thought was disrespectful to Andi's relationship with Josh.

MVMOM: Actually, he didn't post any pictures of he & Andi kissing. Here are his two tweets with photos of Nick & Andi:

"1 on 1 in Venice tonight! Not sure if I deserved it, but I'll take it. One of the most memorable days…" (picture is the selfie Andi took with bird on Nick's head)

"Don't hate the player. Hate lax security measures #loveismischief #willingtobesneakyforlove #thebachelorette ... " (picture is the one below with their foreheads touching ... )  



I didn't really think too much of the latter, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt for the former. I know that there was one other thing, but I can't remember.

- I think that Nick is just not very Twitter-savvy.

MVMOM: Nope, don't believe this for a second ...  

All my responses are in color above ...

And now I am so friggin ready to MOVE ON!! BIP here I come ...

[Cecilia]

Checking in: Nick wasn't at lolla on Sunday and honestly Friday and Saturday were the better days to go but I had other events. Wish I had skipped my Saturday night thing though and had gone Saturday instead of Sunday. It rained Sunday, was a muddy mest, still fun.

Anyway so funny bc even billboard music was talking about the ruckus he caused when fangirls noticed him.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/festivals/lollapalooza-festival/6206926/pop-shop-podcast-lollapalooza-2014

[stuckinsc]

But, the thing is, I wouldn't blame Nick for following someone who was a Nick/Andi fan. I wouldn't even blame him for following someone who tweeted Andi saying "OMG, you are such an idiot for choosing that dumb jock". But, what this particular person is doing is harassment. They are tweeting incredibly vulgar and slut-shaming things about Andi and they took the time to photoshop Nick's picture onto Josh's. And, it's VERY doubtful that Nick chose to follow this person for any other reason, considering that a) Nick primarily only follows celebrities, family members, and Bachelor Nation, b) this person has a total of 14 followers, and c) this person doesn't even follow Nick back! Also, the order of who you follow is shown, so Nick JUST followed him a day or two ago. After those tweets were sent out. The only way Nick would have even noticed him is because he tagged Nick in his tweets. None of his tweets are ever favorited or retweeted, so it's not like Nick would have randomly found him.

Look at my posting history. I'm not a Jodi fan and never was or will be. I used to be a huge Nick supporter and repeatedly argued that he wasn't trying to shame Andi at the ATFR. But, I do feel very differently after seeing Nick's activity on SM.

Again, I don't follow SM. But other than this follow, what has Nick done on SM since the finale?  I don't know about this follow, don't know how easy it is to follow or unfollow on Twitter and since he has not retweeted this guy, I don't see any of his posts to look at the guys site.

Is this the only thing Nick has done?  I looked over his twitter feed and didn't see anything offensive.  I guess my point is.  I am friends with people on facebook and until I take the effort to see their postings I don't know what they are truly like.

If Nick follows this guy along with  his other 176 people, do all this guys posts show up to him.  Again, I am not SM intelligent and don't even own a smart phone, so this is a genuine question.

I don't hate Andi and Josh, but I don't see how Nick really has anything to do with them anymore.  I won't hate Nick if he likes this guy, but yeah, probably not the best, I guess if he was retweeting and increasing the visibility of this guys posts, I might understand better.  Like I said, not being on twitter, just looking at this page, I can't even see his followers.

- Yeah, I think FB is a little different, because you only friend people that you at least kind of "know". On Twitter, you follow people you know, celebrities, and then randoms, based on what they tweet. So, for example, if Ellen Degeneres said something vulgar and offensive, I wouldn't blame Nick for following her since I know that it's her celebrity that drew him to follow, not her tweets. But, when someone only has 14 followers and has tagged you in a couple of tweets and you follow them, it pretty much means that you are following them because you liked those tweets.

- Nick would be able to see anything that he posts after he started following this guy. So, since Nick started following him yesterday or two days ago, he definitely saw all of those tweets

- It's very easy to follow or unfollow. Just a click!

- As far as his other SM mistakes go, I haven't been following it much either. I did hear that he favorited a comment about Josh getting raped and then apologized for it. I know that he's also made comments about the "FS episode being too steamy for Bella" and posted a picture of Andi/him kissing, which people thought was disrespectful to Andi's relationship with Josh. I didn't really think too much of the latter, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt for the former. I know that there was one other thing, but I can't remember.

- I think that Nick is just not very Twitter-savvy. I think that he favorites and follows people that he likes, not thinking that anyone else will notice. He figures that as long as he's not tweeting it or re-tweeting, no will see it on his main page and they won't figure it out. He would NEVER be stupid enough to re-tweet something like (in gray, b/c offensive) @jmurbulldog what does @viallnicholas28 's **** taste like? Hopefully he pumped all the Houston Texan **** out of Andi 4 U. #sloppyseconds. He would be destroyed by the fans, tabloids, entertainment websites, producers, etc. for that, and he knows it.

Thanks for sharing the info. So the guy has posted that tweet since Nick started following him? I hope that Nick was too busy to read it this weekend.

The actual tweet that Nick favorited or whatever it is you do on twitter was something about rape Josh, punch Andi and straighten Nicks hair. I could see why he saw the thing about his hair and found it funny. The first parts though weren't okay. He withdrew whatever he did and he didn't write it, so to me no big deal.

I made a bigger deal of Kelly since she was sitting right next to Andi tweeting all the nasty stuff she did. And nope sorry, mental illness still isn't funny. It won't ever be. Also Nick isn't a stalker like Kelly called him if according to Andi on Wednesday Nick never tried to reach out to her. Wish that story line could be kept straight.

Even following this guy on twitter, I am not going to stop being a Nick fan, I understand why others might, but it is one tiny part of a larger package that I like. Also why even though I would have liked Josh to turn the other check Tuesday and he didn't I won't stop liking him either.

We are all the sum of our parts. I like the sum of Nick's part and I like the sum of Josh's. Heck maybe in the future I will even like the sum of Andi's, who knows.

I actually get FB friend from people who I don't know all that well. But I am active in student government and travel and attend scientific meetings, so again, I have been known to accept a fb friend request without really knowing who the person is. I probably should be more careful, but then thankfully, I have never gone on national reality tv, so people are obsessed with my social media.   

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