Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[aglaea]

Finally watched the ATFR. There was something just off-putting about Nick for the first time, I was having a hard time buying it. His stuttering seemed strategic, as did the rubbing his hands and fiddling. I dunno... his eyes were shifty, it was weird.   

He was shaking like a leaf and couldn't talk! How is that strategic?

Not saying that this was his motivation, but he seems to have garnered the sympathy of quite a few folks.  Folks who might push to have him on as the next lead on The Bachelor.  I would never presume to assume anyone's feelings were insincere, and I would think that the situation was truly difficult for him.  But, I will say his demeanor on the ATFR is 180 degrees different than his demeanor in social media before and after.  I'd hope that his tweets and Instagram posts are more reflective of where he is emotionally right now.  

I can't imagine choosing to be heartbroken in exchange for a few sympathy votes. Seeing Nick's pain was excruciating- I wouldn't wish what he was obviously going through on anyone.

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It wasn't about the sex but the intimacy': Nick Viall insists he never meant to 'humiliate' Bachelorette Andi Dorfman after revealing on TV they 'made love'

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[lisahelmantoler]

I just read on jokers site that Nick is going to be on GMA tomorrow morning. I was team Josh the entire season until the finale. Nick really loved her and this is heartbreaking.

[MiaHawk]

I don't think Nick wanted anything other than answers as to why she lead him on all season encouraging him, including the being intimate in the FS only to tell him she needed to let him go.

Andi could have planted the seed of doubt during the FS, rather she chose to further solidify that he would be the F1 by "making love to him". For her to insinuate she did him a favour by letting him go and not going through the proposal IMO is bs. If she really felt that, she wouldn't have taken advantage of him in the FS because IMO that's exactly what she did. Whether the lead is male or female, my opinion is the same.

Maybe it's just me, but I cannot understand how you can be intimate with someone when you're in love with someone else. No one can convince me that its ok. If I was the F1, knowing he had a roll in the hay with the F2, I'd be concerned because there wouldn't be any explanation that would satisfy me.

She would have been better off to stick to her story that she didn't know until the last day rather than profess her love to Josh that he was always the one. In other words, thanks everyone else for showing up, nothing personal, I had a job to do.

Oh and by the way, I met him at a bar, even though I said over and over I didn't want to know anyone before hand. Clue number 1.

Nick will understand some day the meaning of unconditional love.

NO, GA, count me in. You and I are probably the only two. I teach my 2 boys sex is something precious and intimate that you only do it with someone you love. I am sure it's not a popular idea in today's culture, though.

Nope, you can add me to the list of Unpopular Opinioned.  :WAVEY: 

[MVMom39forever]

I don't think Nick wanted anything other than answers as to why she lead him on all season encouraging him, including the being intimate in the FS only to tell him she needed to let him go.

Andi could have planted the seed of doubt during the FS, rather she chose to further solidify that he would be the F1 by "making love to him". For her to insinuate she did him a favour by letting him go and not going through the proposal IMO is bs. If she really felt that, she wouldn't have taken advantage of him in the FS because IMO that's exactly what she did. Whether the lead is male or female, my opinion is the same.

Maybe it's just me, but I cannot understand how you can be intimate with someone when you're in love with someone else. No one can convince me that its ok. If I was the F1, knowing he had a roll in the hay with the F2, I'd be concerned because there wouldn't be any explanation that would satisfy me.

She would have been better off to stick to her story that she didn't know until the last day rather than profess her love to Josh that he was always the one. In other words, thanks everyone else for showing up, nothing personal, I had a job to do.

Oh and by the way, I met him at a bar, even though I said over and over I didn't want to know anyone before hand. Clue number 1.

Nick will understand some day the meaning of unconditional love.

Wow! Great post ...   

[MiaHawk]

There are very few that can replicate the angry cat face--except for the mad duck face. I guess she never listened, as a little Me and I, to Patti when told if you keep doing that it's gonna freeze on your face because it did!

Let's face it, Nick has been interviewed all day in various settings and not once has he been treated to that nasty Nancy Grace face.



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Who am I fooling Me and I does it best!

I'm going to make a prediction here. Andi, after all of the attention to her frowny face, will get plastic surgery. I can feel it in my bones.

[stuckinsc]

I was thinking that grumpy cat might fire his agent for letting him be seen with MeAndI, she is trying to steal his look. Not cool.

I hope Andi doesn't get plastic surgery. Truthfully it is her face and her natural attitude. Plastic surgery will just make that look fake, not really help with the problem.

I am the opposite, I tend to smile, probably too much. People actually ask me why I smile so much. My dad was the same way, I will say in general the smiling seems to make other people feel better.

[MiaHawk]

I was thinking that grumpy cat might fire his agent for letting him be seen with MeAndI, she is trying to steal his look.  Not cool.

I hope Andi doesn't get plastic surgery.  Truthfully it is her face and her natural attitude.  Plastic surgery will just make that look fake, not really help with the problem.

I am the opposite, I tend to smile, probably too much.  People actually ask me why I smile so much.  My dad was the same way, I will say in general the smiling seems to make other people feel better.

To clarify, I do not think Andi needs or should get plastic surgery. But I think all of the negative attention focused on her frown (while laughed about currently) may actual fester in her mind, creating self doubts. Just a fleeting thought of my own. No biggie.

[stuckinsc]

I was thinking that grumpy cat might fire his agent for letting him be seen with MeAndI, she is trying to steal his look.  Not cool.

I hope Andi doesn't get plastic surgery.  Truthfully it is her face and her natural attitude.  Plastic surgery will just make that look fake, not really help with the problem.

I am the opposite, I tend to smile, probably too much.  People actually ask me why I smile so much.  My dad was the same way, I will say in general the smiling seems to make other people feel better.

To clarify, I do not think Andi needs or should get plastic surgery.  But I think all of the negative attention focused on her frown (while laughed about currently) may actual fester in her mind, creating self doubts.  Just a fleeting thought of my own.  No biggie.

I don't disagree, she has already had work on her breasts and it is speculated on her nose. I just hope she doesn't, in my opinion it will just look odd.

[MVMom39forever]

I was thinking that grumpy cat might fire his agent for letting him be seen with MeAndI, she is trying to steal his look.  Not cool.

I hope Andi doesn't get plastic surgery.  Truthfully it is her face and her natural attitude.  Plastic surgery will just make that look fake, not really help with the problem.

I am the opposite, I tend to smile, probably too much.  People actually ask me why I smile so much.  My dad was the same way, I will say in general the smiling seems to make other people feel better.

To clarify, I do not think Andi needs or should get plastic surgery.  But I think all of the negative attention focused on her frown (while laughed about currently) may actual fester in her mind, creating self doubts.  Just a fleeting thought of my own.  No biggie.

I don't disagree, she has already had work on her breasts and it is speculated on her nose.  I just hope she doesn't, in my opinion it will just look odd.  

Or, maybe she can just try smiling a bit more ...  

[MMA50]

I just read on jokers site that Nick is going to be on GMA tomorrow morning. I was team Josh the entire season until the finale. Nick really loved her and this is heartbreaking.

He was articulate on ET tonight, and I can't wait to see him on GMA in the morning. Btw, since Andi Murra doesn't want him, I will be happy to take him over. I personally love a passionate man. Nick is all mine.

[MMA50]

Genuinely surprised that we're actually discussing whether or not Nick revealing to millions of people that he and Andi had sex, on live TV, with her fiancé backstage no less, is shameful.  

IMO Andi shouldn't have had sex with Nick if she knew she was picking Josh.

IMO Nick was without a doubt out of line with his little primetime slip.

I don't know, is it any more shameful than Chris Harrison revealing to the world how many people Marcus has slept with, without his permission? Is it any more shameful than every single media source asking Catherine about her (lack of) sex life, even though she never brought it up?

Thank you! Great points ...

Folks who are judging Nick need to watch today's interviews as he is being very articulate, genuine and informative.

Nick relied on Andi all season for signs as to where he stood with her. And, all season Andi gave him those signs. With each episode we saw Nick become more and more of a believer ... throwing himself at the mercy of this process ... because of his trust and love for Andi. While she could not return his words of love - or so Nick thought -  she could show him through her actions.

Nick didn't enter the fantasy suite with expectations of intimacy. However, Andi clearly did and according to Nick, it was "effortless." This is not surprising to any Nick fan as we heard Andi all season when she talked about their "once in a lifetime" connection. How the one word she'd used to describe their relationship was passionate. And, who could forget her gushing about their emotional/mental and physical chemistry?

So yeah, Andi went for it. Good for her.

But shame on Andi for not communicating or being clear with Nick that she did not equate making love with Nick to being in love with him. And shame on Andi for not giving Nick closure while the season was airing by simply taking his phone call.

Instead Nick had this and other questions in his head and heart for the past couple of months. Plus he had to endure a replay of their love story each week. Who can blame Nick for asking her at his first opportunity?  

Great interview with ET! Makes me love Nick even more. Btw, I don't think Andi Murray is going to be happy with Nick getting all the spotlight. I bet it pi$$es her and her fiancé off.

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