Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

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Right and a lot of people were upset because Kelly was promoting such awful words. Now, we have Nick who is following someone who is promoting such disgusting and absurd things about a couple and since Nick is following this person, he's essentially promoting those actions and apparently thinks it's okay. Where's the logic with that?

1. following someone doesn't necessarily mean you agree with everything they say.
2. how do you know he didn't dm the person to ask them to stop???

I can't find the user or tweets anymore, so I'm not sure if he deleted them or what, but, from what I remember, this wasn't a guy who had a couple of tweets about Josh/Andi/Nick and the rest was insightful, witty commentary on social issues. It was almost ALL tweets to Josh and Andi about Nick sleeping with Andi, in an incredibly vulgar, slut-shaming manner. The worst was definitely the People magazine spread that had Nick's face photoshopped over Josh's. That is SCARY stalker stuff. And, it wasn't like this guy is super popular. He has ~50 followers.

Also, I rarely follow people who I agree with 100% of what they say. For example, Sean posts a lot about his religious beliefs that I don't really agree with. People are allowed to have different opinions. BUT, the minute he posted something that was sexist, disrespectful, and vulgar, I would unfollow.

I defended Nick a lot, throughout the season and AFTR (which I still would do), but there have definitely been a few things that have given me pause. Like his friendship with JJ, who seems like a piece of work. But, I really do think this was the final straw for me.  

I found the tweets earlier today and they are quite disgusting. I don't want to identify him by name but he is one of the last ones Nick has followed.

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I mean, even Wes, Bentley and Rated-R weren't "villains". The worst that they did was go on the show for the wrong reasons (Jillian actually said in an interview that she knew that Wes was there for his music career from the start and didn't care), have a girlfriend back home (so did Graham and he's super popular), or call the Bachelorette ugly (even Arie tweeted something negative about how Ashley looked). In general, people take these shows and "characters" way too seriously, IMHO. No reality TV star is worth that much hatred and attention.

As far as Nick goes, I really enjoyed him throughout the season and ATFR. I thought he was one of the few genuine people this show has ever had. The 3 SM "mistakes" have stopped me from being a fan, but I don't hate him or anything.

And, I have NEVER been a fan of Andi's. Have always thought that she plays the victim, lacks empathy, and is narcissistic. I'm pretty neutral on Josh, but I couldn't care less about Jodi.

Right, never a villian, more about some "characters" we saw on a show.

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1. following someone doesn't necessarily mean you agree with everything they say.
2. how do you know he didn't dm the person to ask them to stop???

I can't find the user or tweets anymore, so I'm not sure if he deleted them or what, but, from what I remember, this wasn't a guy who had a couple of tweets about Josh/Andi/Nick and the rest was insightful, witty commentary on social issues. It was almost ALL tweets to Josh and Andi about Nick sleeping with Andi, in an incredibly vulgar, slut-shaming manner. The worst was definitely the People magazine spread that had Nick's face photoshopped over Josh's. That is SCARY stalker stuff. And, it wasn't like this guy is super popular. He has ~50 followers.

Also, I rarely follow people who I agree with 100% of what they say. For example, Sean posts a lot about his religious beliefs that I don't really agree with. People are allowed to have different opinions. BUT, the minute he posted something that was sexist, disrespectful, and vulgar, I would unfollow.

I defended Nick a lot, throughout the season and AFTR (which I still would do), but there have definitely been a few things that have given me pause. Like his friendship with JJ, who seems like a piece of work. But, I really do think this was the final straw for me.  

I found the tweets earlier today and they are quite disgusting.  I don't want to identify him by name but he is one of the last ones Nick has followed.  

I haven't really been paying attention to what Nick was doing on Twitter recently but was curious about this person he recently followed. I remember the two tweets he favored and said he didn't read one and the other was an accident. This last person he is following is terrible with what he says. Makes me wonder about the two previous ones.

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Andi couldn't say anything about Nick since the show wasn't over. Post-show she's said that he's classless and essentially showed his true colors. She also tweeted in support of Ross from Chelsea Handler who called him a "little b!tch," so Andi's feelings are pretty clear at this point.

Kelly's tweeting was one of the best spoilers around this season, really it couldn't have been more obvious what was going on in ATL all season imo.

I guess you are a Jodi Fan, right?
Can I genuinely ask, what do Andi’s fans see in her that is attractive or what is it about her to make you in love with her (as a Ette or as a normal person)? And what do you guys see in Nick that is so “unforgivable”?

I ask because I’m always curious about ppl, and I’m trying to understand that world that is outside of my head. Nick is no villain like Bentley, Wes, Rated-R… the list goes on, but ppl hate him to death. I still don’t understand what he did to deserve all the hates?

I don't hate Nick. I really don't know why I would, that takes too much energy

I felt sorry for him all season personally. His edit was atrocious and he was falling in love with a woman who was wildly chasing after a man who couldn't be more different than him.

It's his behavior ever since filming ended that I have a huge problem with in terms of feeling bad for him or supporting him. Starting with the video Steve posted, to the following Andi around, the sm which was clearly meant to embarrass her and cause drama with Josh (intimate shot against the tree, fs is too hot to handle for Bella), and all the other stuff that was noted throughout the season. The final nail in the coffin for me is the fs talk at atfr. I find it unforgivable and the fact that he went on to media interviews for it that gave even MORE detail and went on and on and on and also, on some more this week, just shows that it was no accident. He knew what he was doing and did it to humiliate her- look Josh and the world, I had the Ette too! Barf.

As for why I love Andi? This isn't the right thread for it, but suffice to say I loved her last season and even more once Josh showed up.

Obviously this is all JMO. I understand people see his behavior differently and don't like Andi or whatnot and I have no problems with that.

I agree that just by watching the show Nick should have seen the connection she had with Josh. Maybe TPTB were in his head, who knows but he missed it. it is also his behavior post show, out in the real world, and his behavior at the ATFR, that some have a problem with. I too remember him posting the kissing scene when he knew he lost. Weird thing to do imo. Andi and Josh also witnessed all this strange behavior.

I believe he was out to embarrass andi and Josh at the atfr. He has every right to say what he wants but she has every right to react they way she wants. I would imagine she was embarrassed and angry. I mean her whole family including her Grandmother was watching. He had to know this would get to her and Josh. He definitely was not kind.   

I am only posting to answer a question that was posted in this thread.

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This is exactly why I don't spend any time checking contestant's SM. Not worth it to me since I have a life outside this show. I leave that up to others. These threads are where I look to find updates. I'm glad Nick seems to have moved on from ette as have I.

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For me, I don't hold anyone else accountable for what someone else does or says--unless they were held at gun/knife point or one of their loved ones was being held hostage.
That would be like- another mod being held accountable for my own gaffe.
That's just me.

I disagree. The people that you associate with reflect directly on you. The people that I choose to be friends with, the person that I marry, and the politicians that I support all say something about my values and beliefs.

If I had a friend (like, say, Kelly) who made jokes about Nick being a pedophile and a murderer? Says something about me. Just like if Nick chooses to follow someone because of the vulgar tweets they put out? Says something about him.

He needs to unfollow that guy, but I wouldn't say Andi needs to stop being friends with Kelly. Agree with Kasha, Andi is not accountable for what Kelly does. I've had the same group of friends for 15 yrs and probably every one of us has said something worse than Kelly at one time or another. Kelly is that funny, life of the party friend you want at happy hour and on vacations. We don't know the whole story or what's motivating her, but it's a 2 month window. I can be offended by her tweets about Nick AND believe she is a loyal friend to Andi.. one that Andi may be glad she kept when looking back on 15 years of memories. Kelly's what 27? 40 year old Kelly will probably agree that the tweets were offensive and misguided.

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I guess you are a Jodi Fan, right?
Can I genuinely ask, what do Andi’s fans see in her that is attractive or what is it about her to make you in love with her (as a Ette or as a normal person)? And what do you guys see in Nick that is so “unforgivable”?

I ask because I’m always curious about ppl, and I’m trying to understand that world that is outside of my head. Nick is no villain like Bentley, Wes, Rated-R… the list goes on, but ppl hate him to death. I still don’t understand what he did to deserve all the hates?

I don't hate Nick. I really don't know why I would, that takes too much energy

I felt sorry for him all season personally. His edit was atrocious and he was falling in love with a woman who was wildly chasing after a man who couldn't be more different than him.

It's his behavior ever since filming ended that I have a huge problem with in terms of feeling bad for him or supporting him. Starting with the video Steve posted, to the following Andi around, the sm which was clearly meant to embarrass her and cause drama with Josh (intimate shot against the tree, fs is too hot to handle for Bella), and all the other stuff that was noted throughout the season. The final nail in the coffin for me is the fs talk at atfr. I find it unforgivable and the fact that he went on to media interviews for it that gave even MORE detail and went on and on and on and also, on some more this week, just shows that it was no accident. He knew what he was doing and did it to humiliate her- look Josh and the world, I had the Ette too! Barf.

As for why I love Andi? This isn't the right thread for it, but suffice to say I loved her last season and even more once Josh showed up.

Obviously this is all JMO. I understand people see his behavior differently and don't like Andi or whatnot and I have no problems with that.

I agree that just by watching the show Nick should have seen the connection she had with Josh.  Maybe TPTB were in his head, who knows but he missed it.  it is also his behavior post show, out in the real world, and his behavior at the ATFR, that some have a problem with.   I too remember him posting the kissing scene when he knew he lost.  Weird thing to do imo.  Andi and Josh also witnessed all this strange behavior.  

I believe he was out to embarrass andi and Josh at the atfr.  He has every right to say what he wants but she has every right to react they way she wants.  I would imagine she was embarrassed and angry.  I mean her whole family including her Grandmother was watching.  He had to know this would get to her and Josh.  He definitely was not kind.    

I am only posting to answer a question that was posted in this thread.    

As a Josh fan pre-season till like Epi 3, I saw a more intense connection btw Nick and MeAndi as time went by.
So if Jodi fans think its as clear as day that it was Josh from viewing the season, I can't agree at all. Not to mention, Nick was the one who was really there to interact with her, he felt that real connection.

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I have stayed at the Nick fan thread for the whole season because he’s the only one grew on me as the season progressed. And it was eye opening (I mean this in a positive way, Mods) to come here today. I know Jodi’s fan don’t like Nick (they don’t have to indeed), but I really don’t know they think of Nick that way. Just wow … people can really think very differently upon the exact same thing, and I guess that is why forums are created!
 
I have posted my thoughts in another forum and I do really wanna share again. As a sensitive, hopeless romantic person, like Nick (believe it or not, it’s up to your interpretation about him). I can totally relate to his experience during the Ette that I got a blindsided experience not very long ago. For easier reading, allow me to put it in point forms:
 
1.     I kept thinking was there anything wrong about me that made thing turn bad, I really need that closure. I understand some ppl think the best way to get over such an experience is to simply move on, but please understand that we all are different, some need closure more than others. I dun think he really follows her across the country, I guess he was trying to have a chat in private to end things better.
2.     I would totally ask the same FS type of question, not meant to humiliate the person, simply because I really do not understand why would ppl get so intimate with me if they don’t love me.
3.     MeAndi was being so heartless when she initiated the breakup in DR. People who is as sensitive as me would think, are we not even friends that you have to be stone cold, not to talk about the solid mental/physical connection.
4.     I don’t think Nick followed her across the country, I heard CH mentioned Nick CALLED him when MeAndi was vacationing in Mexico, not stalking her there. And the MTA scene was hilarious, because it was obviously a setup by TPTB. If I was Nick, I would defly go because they gave me a chance to possibly get the closure.
[b]5.     I would rather Nick is indeed a jerk who played with the plot all season long!!! It broke my heart to see how sad he was, and how bad MeAndi treated him during the ATFR.

I was spoiled of the f4 before getting into this forum. I loved Josh for MeAndi and Nick was the less appealing to me (look was). And I was not wearing the colored-glasses going into this season, that I really saw a much stronger connection between Nick & MeAndi instead of Jodi.

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I have stayed at the Nick fan thread for the whole season because he’s the only one grew on me as the season progressed. And it was eye opening (I mean this in a positive way, Mods) to come here today. I know Jodi’s fan don’t like Nick (they don’t have to indeed), but I really don’t know they think of Nick that way. Just wow … people can really think very differently upon the exact same thing, and I guess that is why forums are created!
 
I have posted my thoughts in another forum and I do really wanna share again. As a sensitive, hopeless romantic person, like Nick (believe it or not, it’s up to your interpretation about him). I can totally relate to his experience during the Ette that I got a blindsided experience not very long ago. For easier reading, allow me to put it in point forms:
 
1.     I kept thinking was there anything wrong about me that made thing turn bad, I really need that closure. I understand some ppl think the best way to get over such an experience is to simply move on, but please understand that we all are different, some need closure more than others. I dun think he really follows her across the country, I guess he was trying to have a chat in private to end things better.
2.     I would totally ask the same FS type of question, not meant to humiliate the person, simply because I really do not understand why would ppl get so intimate with me if they don’t love me.
3.     MeAndi was being so heartless when she initiated the breakup in DR. People who is as sensitive as me would think, are we not even friends that you have to be stone cold, not to talk about the solid mental/physical connection.
4.     I don’t think Nick followed her across the country, I heard CH mentioned Nick CALLED him when MeAndi was vacationing in Mexico, not stalking her there. And the MTA scene was hilarious, because it was obviously a setup by TPTB. If I was Nick, I would defly go because they gave me a chance to possibly get the closure.
[b]5.     I would rather Nick is indeed a jerk who played with the plot all season long!!! It broke my heart to see how sad he was, and how bad MeAndi treated him during the ATFR.

I was spoiled of the f4 before getting into this forum. I loved Josh for MeAndi and Nick was the less appealing to me (look was). And I was not wearing the colored-glasses going into this season, that I really saw a much stronger connection between Nick & MeAndi instead of Jodi.

Not sure that it's a fair statement to say that all Josh fans don't like Nick. I think it might be fair to say that most of us don't like his decision to make the disclosure that he did on national television or some of his other behavior both during filming but especially post-filming. As I have indicated in other posts, I agree with you that Nick was blindsided and seemed genuinely sad and very upset at the ATFR.

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I have stayed at the Nick fan thread for the whole season because he’s the only one grew on me as the season progressed. And it was eye opening (I mean this in a positive way, Mods) to come here today. I know Jodi’s fan don’t like Nick (they don’t have to indeed), but I really don’t know they think of Nick that way. Just wow … people can really think very differently upon the exact same thing, and I guess that is why forums are created!
 
I have posted my thoughts in another forum and I do really wanna share again. As a sensitive, hopeless romantic person, like Nick (believe it or not, it’s up to your interpretation about him). I can totally relate to his experience during the Ette that I got a blindsided experience not very long ago. For easier reading, allow me to put it in point forms:
 
1.     I kept thinking was there anything wrong about me that made thing turn bad, I really need that closure. I understand some ppl think the best way to get over such an experience is to simply move on, but please understand that we all are different, some need closure more than others. I dun think he really follows her across the country, I guess he was trying to have a chat in private to end things better.
2.     I would totally ask the same FS type of question, not meant to humiliate the person, simply because I really do not understand why would ppl get so intimate with me if they don’t love me.
3.     MeAndi was being so heartless when she initiated the breakup in DR. People who is as sensitive as me would think, are we not even friends that you have to be stone cold, not to talk about the solid mental/physical connection.
4.     I don’t think Nick followed her across the country, I heard CH mentioned Nick CALLED him when MeAndi was vacationing in Mexico, not stalking her there. And the MTA scene was hilarious, because it was obviously a setup by TPTB. If I was Nick, I would defly go because they gave me a chance to possibly get the closure.
[b]5.     I would rather Nick is indeed a jerk who played with the plot all season long!!! It broke my heart to see how sad he was, and how bad MeAndi treated him during the ATFR.

I was spoiled of the f4 before getting into this forum. I loved Josh for MeAndi and Nick was the less appealing to me (look was). And I was not wearing the colored-glasses going into this season, that I really saw a much stronger connection between Nick & MeAndi instead of Jodi.

Not sure that it's a fair statement to say that all Josh fans don't like Nick.  I think it might be fair to say that most of us don't like his decision to make the disclosure that he did on national television or some of his other behavior both during filming but especially post-filming.  As I have indicated in other posts, I agree with you that Nick was blindsided and seemed genuinely sad and very upset at the ATFR.  

This is a fair statement.  I like what I have seen of Nick but I have not always agreed with many decisions he has made either. I did not like many of Andi's decisions.  While some people have been fair and judge him on his actions, others seem to continue to look for things to criticize when I think at this point, the best thing to do is to let it go.  Like I said earlier, if I don't care for an individual, it is my choice not to follow them on SM or continue to follow what they are doing. I actually don't follow any one on SM - I just keep up what is posted here.

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I really don't think that any of the comments here against Nick come close to the level of vitriol he has gotten on SM and even from some "journalists" who covered the show while it was airing.  Somehow it all seems to get unfairly (IMO) lumped together.   

We are all free to have our personal likes and dislikes, and I think very few of us would pass a "totally objective" test, if there was such a thing, regardless of what we might want to believe about ourselves.  Our preconceived notions about these people (I say preconceived because until we know them personally, we are basing our opinions on what may be inaccurate information) color all future interpretations of their actions to some degree.  What personally bugs me is the need to categorize anybody as either completely wonderful or completely horrible, and discredit or justify what they do accordingly.  Nobody is that black or white (other than Mother Teresa and Hitler maybe   ).  And also to lump all fans into one category like we're all one biased person.  

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What really get to me is why someone (no one in particular!) who obviously hates Nick and loves Jodi would spend their time reading Nick's tweets, studying his followers, and then not only reading many of the tweets of those followers, but using those tweets as further justification of their original hate of Nick. Our time on this Earth is limited (remember Eric??)--why would anyone want to spend even one hour studying tweets of someone they hate? Sorry, it just doesn't make sense to me.

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