Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #3

[stuckinsc]

IMO, RS spoiled the ending days before the video made public. Nick never mentioned the show or Andy by name, and he never said who she picked, so how did he ruin the ending of the show?  He had his private conversations recorded, without his knowledge. How would he know he would be recognized before the show went on air,that he would be recorded and followed?  He probably should have waited he was alone to make the phone call, but let's face it, many people make private phone conversations in public, Nick is not the first one, and will not be the last one. So he made a mistake. I hope he will learn from it, just like most of us, learning and growing from our mistakes.
If people want to stay unspoiled, stay off RS and all SM, don't go into any spoiled sites, like our unspoiled friends do.
About what he said: yes, some of the things are not very nice, but remember: he was just dumped 2 days ago, of course he was hurt,  humiliated and heartbroken even,  and this was probably the first time in 2 months he was without a handler, so he got a little carried away. It's human nature to vent, I will have done the same, just to get off stream.
Nick is not perfect, and he definitely has flows, just like us. I have sympathy for him.

I don't think he has committed any grave act of evil either here. He was in a bad place and got caught publicly venting. Oh well. Not a huge deal if it wasn't a spoiler for the show.

If the video is real, and Andi is so angry at him for it, then it makes her more MeAndI.  The video would have been a mistake and not malignant, so in my opinion she should cut him a little slack.

I don't care who Andi did or did not have sex with.  She was intimate in some form with both men, since when Nick mentioned being intimate in the FS Andi did not seem offended.  That doesn't have to mean sex, but they did get closer and share some intimacy.  If she needs to hide that now, then I again lose some respect for her and Josh.  Those are Andi's actions before they were committed to each other.  I would hope neither would need to pretend that people who were important and part of their lives before they became a couple don't have to be under valued.  To me that is a sign of an immature and slightly insecure relationship.

[noobsleuth]

IMO, RS spoiled the ending days before the video made public. Nick never mentioned the show or Andy by name, and he never said who she picked, so how did he ruin the ending of the show?  He had his private conversations recorded, without his knowledge. How would he know he would be recognized before the show went on air,that he would be recorded and followed?  He probably should have waited he was alone to make the phone call, but let's face it, many people make private phone conversations in public, Nick is not the first one, and will not be the last one. So he made a mistake. I hope he will learn from it, just like most of us, learning and growing from our mistakes.
If people want to stay unspoiled, stay off RS and all SM, don't go into any spoiled sites, like our unspoiled friends do.
About what he said: yes, some of the things are not very nice, but remember: he was just dumped 2 days ago, of course he was hurt,  humiliated and heartbroken even,  and this was probably the first time in 2 months he was without a handler, so he got a little carried away. It's human nature to vent, I will have done the same, just to get off stream.
Nick is not perfect, and he definitely has flows, just like us. I have sympathy for him.

I don't think he has committed any grave act of evil either here. He was in a bad place and got caught publicly venting. Oh well. Not a huge deal if it wasn't a spoiler for the show.

If the video is real, and Andi is so angry at him for it, then it makes her more MeAndI.  The video would have been a mistake and not malignant, so in my opinion she should cut him a little slack.

I don't care who Andi did or did not have sex with.  She was intimate in some form with both men, since when Nick mentioned being intimate in the FS Andi did not seem offended.  That doesn't have to mean sex, but they did get closer and share some intimacy.  If she needs to hide that now, then I again lose some respect for her and Josh.  Those are Andi's actions before they were committed to each other.  I would hope neither would need to pretend that people who were important and part of their lives before they became a couple don't have to be under valued.  To me that is a sign of an immature and slightly insecure relationship.

I agree. People can look back on relationships and have learned things, but not regretted them or pretend like they didn't happen. I know that's how I feel. If Andi can't be honest with how she felt about someone else (in this case Nick but could be any ex) she has some learning to do.

Sorry, I just don't get the Josh and Andi pairing. She keeps saying Josh is her previous type, a jock. Her last boyfriend was in the NFL. Josh isn't a jock, he's a financial planner. The entire storyboard and editing for the season is based on a lie. It's icky to me. I'll never get past that she simply wanted Aaron Murray's brother. That's part of the reason she lights up around him. I think they should be with different people. I can't blame Andi for going for him... I more blame production for casting him. They knew she would fall for him hook, line, and sinker. It's Brad 2.0 and Emily all over again.
They should have known better.

Between editing leaving in everything she says about her F2 and their emotional, spiritual connection and her quitting her job to pursue who knows what, this season as SDL used to say, makes me want to take a shower. Not that my opinion means much, I've never been a fan of Sean or Cat (separately or together) yet they are making it work. Celebrities I don't care for get married and prosper all of the time.

I never really liked that Ali picked Roberto. It seemed like everyone was supportive of them because she was crazy about him enough to let go of CL before the FRC. I always liked her with Frank.... and years later she's dating a Frank type. haha

[stuckinsc]

I don't think he has committed any grave act of evil either here. He was in a bad place and got caught publicly venting. Oh well. Not a huge deal if it wasn't a spoiler for the show.

If the video is real, and Andi is so angry at him for it, then it makes her more MeAndI.  The video would have been a mistake and not malignant, so in my opinion she should cut him a little slack.

I don't care who Andi did or did not have sex with.  She was intimate in some form with both men, since when Nick mentioned being intimate in the FS Andi did not seem offended.  That doesn't have to mean sex, but they did get closer and share some intimacy.  If she needs to hide that now, then I again lose some respect for her and Josh.  Those are Andi's actions before they were committed to each other.  I would hope neither would need to pretend that people who were important and part of their lives before they became a couple don't have to be under valued.  To me that is a sign of an immature and slightly insecure relationship.

I agree. People can look back on relationships and have learned things, but not regretted them or pretend like they didn't happen. I know that's how I feel. If Andi can't be honest with how she felt about someone else (in this case Nick but could be any ex) she has some learning to do.

Sorry, I just don't get the Josh and Andi pairing. She keeps saying Josh is her previous type, a jock. Her last boyfriend was in the NFL. Josh isn't a jock, he's a financial planner. The entire storyboard and editing for the season is based on a lie. It's icky to me. I'll never get past that she simply wanted Aaron Murray's brother. That's part of the reason she lights up around him. I think they should be with different people. I can't blame Andi for going for him... I more blame production for casting him. They knew she would fall for him hook, line, and sinker. It's Brad 2.0 and Emily all over again.
They should have known better.

Between editing leaving in everything she says about her F2 and their emotional, spiritual connection and her quitting her job to pursue who knows what, this season as SDL used to say, makes me want to take a shower. Not that my opinion means much, I've never been a fan of Sean or Cat (separately or together) yet they are making it work. Celebrities I don't care for get married and prosper all of the time.

I never really liked that Ali picked Roberto. It seemed like everyone was supportive of them because she was crazy about him enough to let go of CL before the FRC. I always liked her with Frank.... and years later she's dating a Frank type. haha

Great post!  

[rosesrREd]

I don't think he has committed any grave act of evil either here. He was in a bad place and got caught publicly venting. Oh well. Not a huge deal if it wasn't a spoiler for the show.

If the video is real, and Andi is so angry at him for it, then it makes her more MeAndI.  The video would have been a mistake and not malignant, so in my opinion she should cut him a little slack.

I don't care who Andi did or did not have sex with.  She was intimate in some form with both men, since when Nick mentioned being intimate in the FS Andi did not seem offended.  That doesn't have to mean sex, but they did get closer and share some intimacy.  If she needs to hide that now, then I again lose some respect for her and Josh.  Those are Andi's actions before they were committed to each other.  I would hope neither would need to pretend that people who were important and part of their lives before they became a couple don't have to be under valued.  To me that is a sign of an immature and slightly insecure relationship.

I agree. People can look back on relationships and have learned things, but not regretted them or pretend like they didn't happen. I know that's how I feel. If Andi can't be honest with how she felt about someone else (in this case Nick but could be any ex) she has some learning to do.

Sorry, I just don't get the Josh and Andi pairing. She keeps saying Josh is her previous type, a jock. Her last boyfriend was in the NFL. Josh isn't a jock, he's a financial planner. The entire storyboard and editing for the season is based on a lie. It's icky to me. I'll never get past that she simply wanted Aaron Murray's brother. That's part of the reason she lights up around him. I think they should be with different people. I can't blame Andi for going for him... I more blame production for casting him. They knew she would fall for him hook, line, and sinker. It's Brad 2.0 and Emily all over again.
They should have known better.

Between editing leaving in everything she says about her F2 and their emotional, spiritual connection and her quitting her job to pursue who knows what, this season as SDL used to say, makes me want to take a shower. Not that my opinion means much, I've never been a fan of Sean or Cat (separately or together) yet they are making it work. Celebrities I don't care for get married and prosper all of the time.

I never really liked that Ali picked Roberto. It seemed like everyone was supportive of them because she was crazy about him enough to let go of CL before the FRC. I always liked her with Frank.... and years later she's dating a Frank type. haha

I totally get Andi going for the comfortable pick in Josh, but is season's past those relationships haven't lasted. I am also wondering how Andi could go from having questions about Josh to being engaged to him a couple days later.

If she was truly conflicted, I don't think she would let either guy go early.

[Ash2214]

^ But that's the thing. It's a television show that gets heavily edited. This is Andi's job as much as it is for her to find love. She gets paid to put on a show. How do we really know she was torn between Josh and Nick? How do we really know she had these doubts about Josh from beginning to just about the end? We unfortunately don't know. Only Andi does.

I know many of us have differing opinions on this, but Andi picking the guy that she says is the same "type" of guy that has hurt her in the past is not a comfortable choice. That's scary as all hell. That's not safe. It's a huge gamble - especially when this relationship is going to be viewed by the public and you want to make it work.

Although Andi has reiterated now in more than one interview post filming that she learned throughout her "journey" that she can no longer place guys into "types" because each guy is different. Because one guy hurt her in the past doesn't mean that another guy will. Each guy is different. So, whatever fears she had, or production wanted us to think she had, are apparently gone.

[umngirl]

^You mean the same way Des went from being in love with Brooks to accepting a proposal in a matter of days?

Truthfully I think a lot of the angst and questioning between Andi and Josh was just a made up obstacle constructed through editing because she fell for him so early on. It was the only way to make their relationship have the conflict necessary to overcome as the F1 storyline.

[rosesrREd]

^ But that's the thing. It's a television show that gets heavily edited. This is Andi's job as much as it is for her to find love. She gets paid to put on a show. How do we really know she was torn between Josh and Nick? How do we really know she had these doubts about Josh from beginning to just about the end? We unfortunately don't know. Only Andi does.  

I know many of us have differing opinions on this, but Andi picking the guy that she says is the same "type" of guy that has hurt her in the past is not a comfortable choice. That's scary as all hell. That's not safe. It's a huge gamble - especially when this relationship is going to be viewed by the public and you want to make it work.

Although Andi has reiterated now in more than one interview post filming that she learned throughout her "journey" that she can no longer place guys into "types" because each guy is different. Because one guy hurt her in the past doesn't mean that another guy will. Each guy is different. So, whatever fears she had, or production wanted us to think she had, are apparently gone.

It's not the edit, because Andi clearly expresses concerns. I honestly think those clips of her riding in the car crying aren't her saying goodbye to someone, but rather how conflicted she is. Perhaps, the doubts were overcome in a few days, or perhaps she just as stuckinsc says, went with the comfortable pick.

I have always though it was crazy to get engaged after 2 months of dating. If it was exclusive dating, then maybe it would be different, but that's just IMO.

[Ash2214]

Yes, she's certainly saying those things, but production could very well be telling her to do so. There always has to be some sort of conflict, particularly with the lead and their F1 or F2.

[docnash14]

^ But that's the thing. It's a television show that gets heavily edited. This is Andi's job as much as it is for her to find love. She gets paid to put on a show. How do we really know she was torn between Josh and Nick? How do we really know she had these doubts about Josh from beginning to just about the end? We unfortunately don't know. Only Andi does.  

I know many of us have differing opinions on this, but Andi picking the guy that she says is the same "type" of guy that has hurt her in the past is not a comfortable choice. That's scary as all hell. That's not safe. It's a huge gamble - especially when this relationship is going to be viewed by the public and you want to make it work.

Although Andi has reiterated now in more than one interview post filming that she learned throughout her "journey" that she can no longer place guys into "types" because each guy is different. Because one guy hurt her in the past doesn't mean that another guy will. Each guy is different. So, whatever fears she had, or production wanted us to think she had, are apparently gone.

While it's difficult to know, in my opinion, if they are gone, at the very least I think it can be said that Andi has demonstrated great courage in facing her fears. In so doing, she allowed herself to follow her heart rather than be stymied by her need to protect it. I have read posters say that Andi has/had potential for growth only in her relationship with Nick. I disagree. I think facing her fears and letting down her guard brings her one step closer to her true authentic self as does what you mentioned about learning to undo her previously limiting belief about "types" of guys. Her willingness first to admit he bias (which she was able to do through her experience with Josh) and then to challenge that belief apparently has led her to the end of her search for her great love. Sounds like growth to me.

[bilolo]

Definitely !

[chloep]

I seriously doubt that Andi finds anything remotely funny in either of the plane videos.  One of them totally spoiled the season and the other is negative about her man.

I would be livid that a show I gave my heart and soul to for a year was spoiled by one of the losers.

She and her future in-laws have been spoiling the whole season since it started airing. And THAT was done on purpose. Nicks spoilers were completely accidental.

But they only started "spoiling" after the Nick video was released!

Actually, that's not the case... like, at all   ... Mama Murray spoiled Josh being a contestant before the M&G even took place(in an interview) and then spoiled how Josh got a HTD("having the whole family reunited again + one special person...")... this was while the show was still filming.   

[pander3575]

^ But that's the thing. It's a television show that gets heavily edited. This is Andi's job as much as it is for her to find love. She gets paid to put on a show. How do we really know she was torn between Josh and Nick? How do we really know she had these doubts about Josh from beginning to just about the end? We unfortunately don't know. Only Andi does.  

I know many of us have differing opinions on this, but Andi picking the guy that she says is the same "type" of guy that has hurt her in the past is not a comfortable choice. That's scary as all hell. That's not safe. It's a huge gamble - especially when this relationship is going to be viewed by the public and you want to make it work.

Although Andi has reiterated now in more than one interview post filming that she learned throughout her "journey" that she can no longer place guys into "types" because each guy is different. Because one guy hurt her in the past doesn't mean that another guy will. Each guy is different. So, whatever fears she had, or production wanted us to think she had, are apparently gone.

While it's difficult to know, in my opinion, if they are gone, at the very least I think it can be said that Andi has demonstrated great courage in facing her fears.  In so doing, she allowed herself to follow her heart rather than be stymied by her need to protect it.  I have read posters say that Andi has/had potential for growth only in her relationship with Nick.  I disagree.  I think facing her fears and letting down her guard brings her one step closer to her true authentic self as does what you mentioned about learning to undo her previously limiting belief about "types" of guys.  Her willingness first to admit he bias (which she was able to do through her experience with Josh) and then to challenge that belief apparently has led her to the end of her search for her great love.  Sounds like growth to me.

So agree with this. I have been reading on here how Andi was going with the comfortable, what she was used to. On the latest AfterBuzz one of the girls brought this point up as you said. This was a huge risk for Andi to choose Josh due to her past experiences. I think she's grown with both relationships but she is tearing down her walls of what she expects to happen with Josh.

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