Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #3

[BachfanNY]

^So agree with you pander.
I think it was in a PI that Andi said that she came to this experience to meet new people and find something different. So choosing Josh, who is "familiar" to her, is a huge risk. Nick is different and it looks she really tried to make that work for her.

[Alanna]

Josh is also a risk because if he's a playa playa, she's about to get humiliated on national television. Not sure if she paid attention to Jill's season but yeah, that wasn't pretty. I'll never forget her drunk fb message to one of fort's posters that now she and Ed are going to "foxcuss" on their relationship.  

[docnash14]

^ But that's the thing. It's a television show that gets heavily edited. This is Andi's job as much as it is for her to find love. She gets paid to put on a show. How do we really know she was torn between Josh and Nick? How do we really know she had these doubts about Josh from beginning to just about the end? We unfortunately don't know. Only Andi does.  

I know many of us have differing opinions on this, but Andi picking the guy that she says is the same "type" of guy that has hurt her in the past is not a comfortable choice. That's scary as all hell. That's not safe. It's a huge gamble - especially when this relationship is going to be viewed by the public and you want to make it work.

Although Andi has reiterated now in more than one interview post filming that she learned throughout her "journey" that she can no longer place guys into "types" because each guy is different. Because one guy hurt her in the past doesn't mean that another guy will. Each guy is different. So, whatever fears she had, or production wanted us to think she had, are apparently gone.

While it's difficult to know, in my opinion, if they are gone, at the very least I think it can be said that Andi has demonstrated great courage in facing her fears.  In so doing, she allowed herself to follow her heart rather than be stymied by her need to protect it.  I have read posters say that Andi has/had potential for growth only in her relationship with Nick.  I disagree.  I think facing her fears and letting down her guard brings her one step closer to her true authentic self as does what you mentioned about learning to undo her previously limiting belief about "types" of guys.  Her willingness first to admit he bias (which she was able to do through her experience with Josh) and then to challenge that belief apparently has led her to the end of her search for her great love.  Sounds like growth to me.

So agree with this.  I have been reading on here how Andi was going with the comfortable, what she was used to.  On the latest AfterBuzz one of the girls brought this point up as you said.  This was a huge risk for Andi to choose Josh due to her past experiences.  I think she's grown with both relationships but she is tearing down her walls of what she expects to happen with Josh.

Yes. I watched the latest episode of the After show last night. Just as you said, Pander, the dark haired woman indicated that the "safer" choice is Nick as it is Josh who activates her deepest insecurities. The good news about that is, as I said above, her having the courage to walk toward those fears (in truth, with Josh, it's more like she is running toward them!) allows her much more of a growth opportunity.

[ironcat]

IMO, RS spoiled the ending days before the video made public. Nick never mentioned the show or Andy by name, and he never said who she picked, so how did he ruin the ending of the show?  He had his private conversations recorded, without his knowledge. How would he know he would be recognized before the show went on air,that he would be recorded and followed?  He probably should have waited he was alone to make the phone call, but let's face it, many people make private phone conversations in public, Nick is not the first one, and will not be the last one. So he made a mistake. I hope he will learn from it, just like most of us, learning and growing from our mistakes.
If people want to stay unspoiled, stay off RS and all SM, don't go into any spoiled sites, like our unspoiled friends do.
About what he said: yes, some of the things are not very nice, but remember: he was just dumped 2 days ago, of course he was hurt,  humiliated and heartbroken even,  and this was probably the first time in 2 months he was without a handler, so he got a little carried away. It's human nature to vent, I will have done the same, just to get off stream.
Nick is not perfect, and he definitely has flows, just like us. I have sympathy for him.

I don't think he has committed any grave act of evil either here. He was in a bad place and got caught publicly venting. Oh well. Not a huge deal if it wasn't a spoiler for the show.

If the video is real, and Andi is so angry at him for it, then it makes her more MeAndI.  The video would have been a mistake and not malignant, so in my opinion she should cut him a little slack.

I don't care who Andi did or did not have sex with.  She was intimate in some form with both men, since when Nick mentioned being intimate in the FS Andi did not seem offended.  That doesn't have to mean sex, but they did get closer and share some intimacy.  If she needs to hide that now, then I again lose some respect for her and Josh.  Those are Andi's actions before they were committed to each other.  I would hope neither would need to pretend that people who were important and part of their lives before they became a couple don't have to be under valued.  To me that is a sign of an immature and slightly insecure relationship.

We really don't have any proof that Andi (and Josh) are so angry at Nick, although we have been speculating for so long that they are that I think people are assuming it's a fact. That neither one is in touch with him on SM means nothing, in fact, I would not expect any of the three to be publicly communicating with each other until post show. We also don't know post show what she will say about her relationship with Nick, but I doubt she would ever say that Nick was unimportant to her or belittle her feelings for him, even if she was never "in love".

[chloep]

^^ perhaps, but I find it rather telling that Andi sat right next to Kelly when she bashed and abused Nick time and time again on Twitter. (Calling him a "pedophile" and all kinds of disgusting things...)

It's telling that Andi did not have a problem with that...(and also quite sad actually  )

[docnash14]

^^ perhaps, but I find it rather telling that Andi sat right next to Kelly when she bashed and abused Nick time and time again on Twitter. (Calling him a "pedophile" and all kinds of disgusting things...)

It's telling that Andi did not have a problem with that...(and also quite sad actually  )

Not sure we can assume that Andi did or did not have a problem with the name-calling (which I personally found quite anathema. There is a photo (tweeted either by Kelly or the other friend who tweets with them) of all three who, as you said, were sitting side by side but all of them seemed to be very engrossed in their own tweeting so it's not clear (at least to me) whether Andi was aware of the content of Kelly's tweets or not.

[SueSt]

^^ perhaps, but I find it rather telling that Andi sat right next to Kelly when she bashed and abused Nick time and time again on Twitter. (Calling him a "pedophile" and all kinds of disgusting things...)

It's telling that Andi did not have a problem with that...(and also quite sad actually  )

I agree Chloep. Kelly's tweets were way over the line.
SM is strange though... it is the undercurrent of a lot of perceptions but very hard to pin down (like a passive aggressive relationship)... and then pushed under the rug.
Sad but I don't expect Andi will ever address this tweeting.

[Alanna]

I think Andi, Kelly, Nikki and that whole clique of girls are just Queen Bs and sometimes don't realize that not everyone has their humor or sees the world as they do. They call each other bitches and slors and whatever else too. I don't think it's necessarily right but I also don't think it's malicious. I do think it's a clue that they're flirting with ScarfofJosh, favoriting his tweets, and making fun of Josh on the show in a more friendly way though.

[chloep]

^^ Perhaps. But considering she favorited a bunch of Kelly's tweet(over the course of the season). I would have to assume that she reads Kelly's "live tweets". (even if only after the show..)

[sdmom]

re yoered o de^^ perhaps, but I find it rather telling that Andi sat right next to Kelly when she bashed and abused Nick time and time again on Twitter. (Calling him a "pedophile" and all kinds of disgusting things...)

It's telling that Andi did not have a problem with that...(and also quite sad actually  )

Not sure we can assume that Andi did or did not have a problem with the name-calling (which I personally found quite anathema.  There is a photo (tweeted either by Kelly or the other friend who tweets with them) of all three who, as you said, were sitting side by side but all of them seemed to be very engrossed in their own tweeting so it's not clear (at least to me) whether Andi was aware of the content of Kelly's tweets or not.

I asked Kelly to delete the tweet and she didn't.
Another Nick fan tweeted Andi about this offensive tweet, so it's safe to say Andi was aware of it.

[docnash14]

^^ Perhaps. But considering she favorited a bunch of Kelly's tweet(over the course of the season). I would have to assume that she reads Kelly's "live tweets". (even if only after the show..)

Agreed. I believe many of Kelly's tweets were later deleted but I am not sure of the timeline. As an aside, I think it is ironic that Kelly whom I believe takes snark way beyond even common civility was the first to hammer JP for his comment about gays. (I am aware of how his comment impacted her personally.)

[chloep]

I think Andi, Kelly, Nikki and that whole clique of girls are just Queen Bs and sometimes don't realize that not everyone has their humor or sees the world as they do. They call each other bitches and slors and whatever else too. I don't think it's necessarily right but I also don't think it's malicious. I do think it's a clue that they're flirting with ScarfofJosh, favoriting his tweets, and making fun of Josh on the show in a more friendly way though.

I'd like to think I am a fairly humorous person and I find myself saying "oh, she is just joking" a lot.
But Kelly's vapid hatred for Nick this season is anything but a "joke". Calling people "pedophiles" is just not funny. PERIOD. and it's not like it's one time thing. It's very obvious that she is singling him out. Every. Single. Freaking. Episode.

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