Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #3

[luvlady345]

See for me personally I didn't like Andi with any of the guys but Josh... Josh was the only one who seem to push back everyone else just seem to go along with her..... When Nick first came up to talk to her on the mime date to me he was kissing up to her, saying how much he enjoyed the date and then Andi called him out on his saltiness and then he meekly bowed down to her, I am a strong woman and I don't like to see men being pushed around or being yes men and that's exactly what I saw in Nick's and Andi's relationship (IMO)..... Josh/Andi had the most realistic relationship because no way in the world are you going to be in a relationship and not butt heads and disagree...

[happygolucky]

Well Ash, obviously we are coming from two very different points of view. I'm talking from Nick's perspective.Andi called him out on his behavior on a group date. And she was right to tell him, to act differently, the explanation she gave was enough, it's that little time they have to see each other, enjoy it, even if you think it's stupid. Nick needed that "lecture". Because he was over-thinking (which is so him) and because he didn't feel one-and-only (which is something they both have in common, the desire to feel so special - we can blame them all we want for that, but how many of us are just similar)... so instead of participating, he wandered off in his mind (and thoughts) .. and she kinda pulled him back. She took control. Yes. But someone like Nick needed that in that particular moment. Him admitting to be wrong (and her right) wasn't so much about him giving her control, but simply him, and his character, being willing to acknowledge and admit to have recognized his mistake and that he will try to change. That doesn't mean that she would always have the role of a control freak in their relationship ... because we've seen in other scenes how Nick can be a lead and make a move and "control" Andi just the same. (and that's the mental connection that Nick's fans are talking about)

The fact that she took the conversation all the way into the next episode was because of her doubts that her gut-feeling that she had about him (of what kind of person he is) was betraying her. She needed clarity on that issue, whether he is the man she thinks he is or is he pretending. And she got one.

[Litta123]

^^Not that it matters, but that how I experienced that Nick/Andi exchange, too, happy. I felt Andi was seeking clarity as to who was the real Nick. I loved that he didn't deflect or rationalize what he did. He owned it.

In my memory, Andi wasn't a diva here, but I'll be the first to admit that I don't recall that scene so well. Thus, I could be wrong.

[ironcat]

Regarding whether the producers were pushing her towards one guy, I doubt it was Josh or they would have given him an earlier 1 on 1. I tend to think they convinced Andi to delay his date until Europe because they didn't want her to focus on him too soon and wanted to be sure there was time for some other guys, like Nick and Chris, to form a strong connection with her.

[luvlady345]

I don't think Andi was a diva or a brat ever with Nick and to me that's not showing her true self because from her mouth she said she was/is a diva an a brat.....

[happygolucky]

No, Litta, neither did I. The one "diva" moment that I would recall is the "Eric-exit" ... the moment when she didn't accept his explanation, didn't want to listen, didn't want to see his point of view, she just put the wall between them and then stated her frustration and "kicked him out" (her words)

I think Nick is very much aware of that part of her character ... but as for now, on the show we've never really seen her display that with him, maybe because he calms her, maybe because the way he communicates with her gives her a chance to receive an explanation, listen, accept ... so she doesn't put a wall right away, but is open to another point of view, not just her own.

[Ash2214]

More so regardless with the whole diva issue, my whole point was to state that in time of a bit of a rift, regardless of what it was about, Nick didn't stand up to her. He gave her what she wanted to hear. He never fully explained his thought process on why he was upset on the group date. He gave her what she wanted so he could end it. With Josh, he stood up to her on more than one occasion and then in other instances he diffused her in different ways. Just my opinion.

[Alanna]

I don't think Andi was a diva or a brat ever with Nick and to me that's not showing her true self because from her mouth she said she was/is a diva an a brat.....  

Yeah, I'm leaning towards this too. He says stuff like she's serious but doesn't take herself too seriously, etc., and I don't think that's not how she really is imo, but he doesn't know it because all that has been managed by Josh all season.

I guess we can infer Josh learned from his dad, but he learned from someone. For Andi's sake I hope he also learned the daddy bought mommy a Jag move too   

Regarding Nick needing Andi to set him straight, I'm not sure she wants that role. She seems way too happy with Josh for one, and two, I think her htd with JPG said a lot about the family structure she grew up with and seems to want to emulate. Her mom was salsa dancing with JPG and really didn't have a negative comment, and I don't think it's because she was so into the idea of Andi being told I like you A LOT in 3 weeks but because she knew Hy would handle this situation super quick. And that's exactly what happened, when Andi and JPG left, Hy recounted how he told JPG he's a joke (in nicer words), and Andi's mom was all for it and proud of him. It was really funny and also telling to me in terms of what Andi also wants for herself.

[happygolucky]

Ash ... he gave her plenty of the explanation, we just didn't see the whole conversation. And why would he need to stand up to her, when he himself felt to have behaved stupidly and that he should have acted differently. He apologized, because he felt the need to apologize knowing to be wrong and showed the will to change his behavior on the next GD.

[Litta123]

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For Andi's sake I hope he also learned the daddy bought mommy a Jag move too   

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[stuckinsc]

I don't think Andi was a diva or a brat ever with Nick and to me that's not showing her true self because from her mouth she said she was/is a diva an a brat.....  

Yeah, I'm leaning towards this too. He says stuff like she's serious but doesn't take herself too seriously, etc., and I don't think that's not how she really is imo, but he doesn't know it because all that has been managed by Josh all season.

I guess we can infer Josh learned from his dad, but he learned from someone. For Andi's sake I hope he also learned the daddy bought mommy a Jag move too   

Regarding Nick needing Andi to set him straight, I'm not sure she wants that role. She seems way too happy with Josh for one, and two, I think her htd with JPG said a lot about the family structure she grew up with and seems to want to emulate. Her mom was salsa dancing with JPG and really didn't have a negative comment, and I don't think it's because she was so into the idea of Andi being told I like you A LOT in 3 weeks but because she knew Hy would handle this situation super quick. And that's exactly what happened, when Andi and JPG left, Hy recounted how he told JPG he's a joke (in nicer words), and Andi's mom was all for it and proud of him. It was really funny and also telling to me in terms of what Andi also wants for herself.

I am a high strung, type A personality, or I used to be. There wasn't anything I couldn't handle or do. The man who was best for me was not the one who accepted my bratiness or my over the top behavior, but the one who helped calm me so my over the top behavior didn't need to come out. He has made me calmer in all aspects of my life and his quiet strength gave me the strength to stand up for myself and be less on edge.

I am not saying Josh or Nick is right for Andi, but that fact that Nick never saw as much MeAndI as Josh did isn't necessarily a bad thing. Maybe with Nick she was secure enough to not need to be MeAndI.

[Jeepers]

I don't think Nick knows what a brat she can be and if he did, I'm not sure he'd be so into it and find it not a big deal. Josh's attitude is like, "oh it's cute because I can totally handle her," and we've seen her him do it on more than one occasion, and Andi even admits to it. Just by what Josh is saying in how he sees their relationship, it doesn't seem like he's ok to put up with her behavior in terms of letting her get her way, but more like helping her calm down, find the humor in it, and things like that.

I don't think Nick would have any idea what to do if she tried to start a power struggle other than telling her she's right like Ash pointed out happened in Venice. This is why some of the things she says about Nick seeing all of her are confusing to me. She admits she's a diva/brat and Josh knows it, but Nick seems to have no idea but he's the one that sees into her soul? I have no idea what's going on there.

Well .. If the plane convo is any indication where he talked about a conversation and his comment to her was .. Well I disagree .. Seems he would give in to her .. Same as I'm wrong .. You were right...

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